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When differentiating a matrix by a matrix it is true that dA(X)/dX is the same thing as dvec(A(X))/dvec(X) acorrording to this paper.



So, I compared kronecker product representation with vec operator representation following case.



$mathbf{Y}=(2,3)$, $mathbf{X}=(4,2)$



$$
begin{aligned}
frac{partial mathbf{Y}}{partial mathbf{X}} &= frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
&=left[begin{array}{cc}
dfrac{partial }{partial X_{11}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{12}} \
dfrac{partial }{partial X_{21}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{22}} \
dfrac{partial }{partial X_{31}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{32}} \
dfrac{partial }{partial X_{41}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{42}}
end{array}right] otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
&= left[begin{array}{ccc|ccc}
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} \
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[10pt] hline
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} \
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[10pt] hline
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} \
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[10pt] hline
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} \
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
end{array}
right]
end{aligned}
$$



and



$ text{vec}(mathbf{Y})= mathbf{y}= begin{bmatrix} y_{11} & y_{21} & y_{12} & y_{22} & y_{13} & y_{23} end{bmatrix}^T$



$ text{vec}(mathbf{X})= mathbf{x}= begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{21} & x_{31} & x_{41} & x_{12} & x_{22} & x_{32} & x_{42} end{bmatrix}^T$



$$
begin{aligned}
frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})} &= frac{partial mathbf{y}}{partial mathbf{x}} \
&= left[begin{array}{cccccc}
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[5pt]
dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} &
dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
end{array}
right]
end{aligned}
$$



If these results are the same, how do I transpose $frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y}$ to make it equal to $frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})}$?










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    When differentiating a matrix by a matrix it is true that dA(X)/dX is the same thing as dvec(A(X))/dvec(X) acorrording to this paper.



    So, I compared kronecker product representation with vec operator representation following case.



    $mathbf{Y}=(2,3)$, $mathbf{X}=(4,2)$



    $$
    begin{aligned}
    frac{partial mathbf{Y}}{partial mathbf{X}} &= frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
    &=left[begin{array}{cc}
    dfrac{partial }{partial X_{11}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{12}} \
    dfrac{partial }{partial X_{21}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{22}} \
    dfrac{partial }{partial X_{31}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{32}} \
    dfrac{partial }{partial X_{41}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{42}}
    end{array}right] otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
    &= left[begin{array}{ccc|ccc}
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} \
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[10pt] hline
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} \
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[10pt] hline
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} \
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[10pt] hline
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} \
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
    end{array}
    right]
    end{aligned}
    $$



    and



    $ text{vec}(mathbf{Y})= mathbf{y}= begin{bmatrix} y_{11} & y_{21} & y_{12} & y_{22} & y_{13} & y_{23} end{bmatrix}^T$



    $ text{vec}(mathbf{X})= mathbf{x}= begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{21} & x_{31} & x_{41} & x_{12} & x_{22} & x_{32} & x_{42} end{bmatrix}^T$



    $$
    begin{aligned}
    frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})} &= frac{partial mathbf{y}}{partial mathbf{x}} \
    &= left[begin{array}{cccccc}
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[5pt]
    dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} &
    dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
    end{array}
    right]
    end{aligned}
    $$



    If these results are the same, how do I transpose $frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y}$ to make it equal to $frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})}$?










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      When differentiating a matrix by a matrix it is true that dA(X)/dX is the same thing as dvec(A(X))/dvec(X) acorrording to this paper.



      So, I compared kronecker product representation with vec operator representation following case.



      $mathbf{Y}=(2,3)$, $mathbf{X}=(4,2)$



      $$
      begin{aligned}
      frac{partial mathbf{Y}}{partial mathbf{X}} &= frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
      &=left[begin{array}{cc}
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{11}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{12}} \
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{21}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{22}} \
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{31}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{32}} \
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{41}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{42}}
      end{array}right] otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
      &= left[begin{array}{ccc|ccc}
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[10pt] hline
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[10pt] hline
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[10pt] hline
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
      end{array}
      right]
      end{aligned}
      $$



      and



      $ text{vec}(mathbf{Y})= mathbf{y}= begin{bmatrix} y_{11} & y_{21} & y_{12} & y_{22} & y_{13} & y_{23} end{bmatrix}^T$



      $ text{vec}(mathbf{X})= mathbf{x}= begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{21} & x_{31} & x_{41} & x_{12} & x_{22} & x_{32} & x_{42} end{bmatrix}^T$



      $$
      begin{aligned}
      frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})} &= frac{partial mathbf{y}}{partial mathbf{x}} \
      &= left[begin{array}{cccccc}
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
      end{array}
      right]
      end{aligned}
      $$



      If these results are the same, how do I transpose $frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y}$ to make it equal to $frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})}$?










      share|cite|improve this question













      When differentiating a matrix by a matrix it is true that dA(X)/dX is the same thing as dvec(A(X))/dvec(X) acorrording to this paper.



      So, I compared kronecker product representation with vec operator representation following case.



      $mathbf{Y}=(2,3)$, $mathbf{X}=(4,2)$



      $$
      begin{aligned}
      frac{partial mathbf{Y}}{partial mathbf{X}} &= frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
      &=left[begin{array}{cc}
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{11}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{12}} \
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{21}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{22}} \
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{31}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{32}} \
      dfrac{partial }{partial X_{41}} & dfrac{partial }{partial X_{42}}
      end{array}right] otimes mathbf{Y} \[10pt]
      &= left[begin{array}{ccc|ccc}
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[10pt] hline
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[10pt] hline
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[10pt] hline
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} \
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
      end{array}
      right]
      end{aligned}
      $$



      and



      $ text{vec}(mathbf{Y})= mathbf{y}= begin{bmatrix} y_{11} & y_{21} & y_{12} & y_{22} & y_{13} & y_{23} end{bmatrix}^T$



      $ text{vec}(mathbf{X})= mathbf{x}= begin{bmatrix} x_{11} & x_{21} & x_{31} & x_{41} & x_{12} & x_{22} & x_{32} & x_{42} end{bmatrix}^T$



      $$
      begin{aligned}
      frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})} &= frac{partial mathbf{y}}{partial mathbf{x}} \
      &= left[begin{array}{cccccc}
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{11}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{11}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{21}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{21}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{31}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{31}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{41}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{41}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{12}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{12}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{22}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{22}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{32}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{32}} \[5pt]
      dfrac{partial Y_{11}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{21}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{12}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{22}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{13}}{partial X_{42}} &
      dfrac{partial Y_{23}}{partial X_{42}}
      end{array}
      right]
      end{aligned}
      $$



      If these results are the same, how do I transpose $frac{partial }{partial mathbf{X}} otimes mathbf{Y}$ to make it equal to $frac{partial text{vec}(mathbf{Y})}{partial text{vec}(mathbf{X})}$?







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          The derivative operation is a distraction, so let's omit it.



          Given the matrices
          $$eqalign{
          X &in {mathbb R}^{mtimes n} cr
          Y &in {mathbb R}^{ptimes q} cr
          }$$

          and their Kronecker products
          $$eqalign{
          A &= Xotimes Y &in {mathbb R}^{mptimes nq} cr
          B &= {rm vec}(X)otimes {rm vec}(Y)^T &in {mathbb R}^{mntimes pq}cr
          }$$

          you want to know how to transform $A implies B$



          The elements in these matrices are identical. The only difference is in the matrix dimensions and in the ordering of the elements.



          Vectorizing the matrices yields two vectors related by a permutation.
          $$eqalign{
          P,{rm vec}(A) &= {rm vec}(B) cr
          Pa &= b cr
          P_{ij},a_j &= b_i cr
          }$$

          The elements of the permuation are easy to find:

             $P_{ij}$ equals one if the $j^{th}$ element of $a$ maps to the $i^{th}$ element of $b$.



          The single-entry matrix $E_{mn}$ has all elements equal to zero, except for the $(m,n)$ element which is equal to one. Replacing $(X,Y)$ by single-entry matrices leads to $(A,B)$ becoming single-entry matrices and $(a,b)$ becoming single-entry vectors.



          The non-zero elements of $P$ can be found by iterating through every possible single-entry matrix for the input matrices $X ,{rm and}, Y$. Then setting $,P_{ij}=1$, where the non-zero elements of the output vectors $(b,a)$ are observed at $(b_i,a_j)$.



          The permutation depends only on the dimensions of the starting matrices. For your derivative expressions the dimensions are $(m,n,p,q)=(4,2,2,3)$ and the transformation is
          $${rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial{rm vec}(Y)}{partial{rm vec}(X)}Bigg) = P,,{rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial}{partial X}otimes YBigg) $$






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            The derivative operation is a distraction, so let's omit it.



            Given the matrices
            $$eqalign{
            X &in {mathbb R}^{mtimes n} cr
            Y &in {mathbb R}^{ptimes q} cr
            }$$

            and their Kronecker products
            $$eqalign{
            A &= Xotimes Y &in {mathbb R}^{mptimes nq} cr
            B &= {rm vec}(X)otimes {rm vec}(Y)^T &in {mathbb R}^{mntimes pq}cr
            }$$

            you want to know how to transform $A implies B$



            The elements in these matrices are identical. The only difference is in the matrix dimensions and in the ordering of the elements.



            Vectorizing the matrices yields two vectors related by a permutation.
            $$eqalign{
            P,{rm vec}(A) &= {rm vec}(B) cr
            Pa &= b cr
            P_{ij},a_j &= b_i cr
            }$$

            The elements of the permuation are easy to find:

               $P_{ij}$ equals one if the $j^{th}$ element of $a$ maps to the $i^{th}$ element of $b$.



            The single-entry matrix $E_{mn}$ has all elements equal to zero, except for the $(m,n)$ element which is equal to one. Replacing $(X,Y)$ by single-entry matrices leads to $(A,B)$ becoming single-entry matrices and $(a,b)$ becoming single-entry vectors.



            The non-zero elements of $P$ can be found by iterating through every possible single-entry matrix for the input matrices $X ,{rm and}, Y$. Then setting $,P_{ij}=1$, where the non-zero elements of the output vectors $(b,a)$ are observed at $(b_i,a_j)$.



            The permutation depends only on the dimensions of the starting matrices. For your derivative expressions the dimensions are $(m,n,p,q)=(4,2,2,3)$ and the transformation is
            $${rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial{rm vec}(Y)}{partial{rm vec}(X)}Bigg) = P,,{rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial}{partial X}otimes YBigg) $$






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              The derivative operation is a distraction, so let's omit it.



              Given the matrices
              $$eqalign{
              X &in {mathbb R}^{mtimes n} cr
              Y &in {mathbb R}^{ptimes q} cr
              }$$

              and their Kronecker products
              $$eqalign{
              A &= Xotimes Y &in {mathbb R}^{mptimes nq} cr
              B &= {rm vec}(X)otimes {rm vec}(Y)^T &in {mathbb R}^{mntimes pq}cr
              }$$

              you want to know how to transform $A implies B$



              The elements in these matrices are identical. The only difference is in the matrix dimensions and in the ordering of the elements.



              Vectorizing the matrices yields two vectors related by a permutation.
              $$eqalign{
              P,{rm vec}(A) &= {rm vec}(B) cr
              Pa &= b cr
              P_{ij},a_j &= b_i cr
              }$$

              The elements of the permuation are easy to find:

                 $P_{ij}$ equals one if the $j^{th}$ element of $a$ maps to the $i^{th}$ element of $b$.



              The single-entry matrix $E_{mn}$ has all elements equal to zero, except for the $(m,n)$ element which is equal to one. Replacing $(X,Y)$ by single-entry matrices leads to $(A,B)$ becoming single-entry matrices and $(a,b)$ becoming single-entry vectors.



              The non-zero elements of $P$ can be found by iterating through every possible single-entry matrix for the input matrices $X ,{rm and}, Y$. Then setting $,P_{ij}=1$, where the non-zero elements of the output vectors $(b,a)$ are observed at $(b_i,a_j)$.



              The permutation depends only on the dimensions of the starting matrices. For your derivative expressions the dimensions are $(m,n,p,q)=(4,2,2,3)$ and the transformation is
              $${rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial{rm vec}(Y)}{partial{rm vec}(X)}Bigg) = P,,{rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial}{partial X}otimes YBigg) $$






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                up vote
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                up vote
                0
                down vote









                The derivative operation is a distraction, so let's omit it.



                Given the matrices
                $$eqalign{
                X &in {mathbb R}^{mtimes n} cr
                Y &in {mathbb R}^{ptimes q} cr
                }$$

                and their Kronecker products
                $$eqalign{
                A &= Xotimes Y &in {mathbb R}^{mptimes nq} cr
                B &= {rm vec}(X)otimes {rm vec}(Y)^T &in {mathbb R}^{mntimes pq}cr
                }$$

                you want to know how to transform $A implies B$



                The elements in these matrices are identical. The only difference is in the matrix dimensions and in the ordering of the elements.



                Vectorizing the matrices yields two vectors related by a permutation.
                $$eqalign{
                P,{rm vec}(A) &= {rm vec}(B) cr
                Pa &= b cr
                P_{ij},a_j &= b_i cr
                }$$

                The elements of the permuation are easy to find:

                   $P_{ij}$ equals one if the $j^{th}$ element of $a$ maps to the $i^{th}$ element of $b$.



                The single-entry matrix $E_{mn}$ has all elements equal to zero, except for the $(m,n)$ element which is equal to one. Replacing $(X,Y)$ by single-entry matrices leads to $(A,B)$ becoming single-entry matrices and $(a,b)$ becoming single-entry vectors.



                The non-zero elements of $P$ can be found by iterating through every possible single-entry matrix for the input matrices $X ,{rm and}, Y$. Then setting $,P_{ij}=1$, where the non-zero elements of the output vectors $(b,a)$ are observed at $(b_i,a_j)$.



                The permutation depends only on the dimensions of the starting matrices. For your derivative expressions the dimensions are $(m,n,p,q)=(4,2,2,3)$ and the transformation is
                $${rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial{rm vec}(Y)}{partial{rm vec}(X)}Bigg) = P,,{rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial}{partial X}otimes YBigg) $$






                share|cite|improve this answer














                The derivative operation is a distraction, so let's omit it.



                Given the matrices
                $$eqalign{
                X &in {mathbb R}^{mtimes n} cr
                Y &in {mathbb R}^{ptimes q} cr
                }$$

                and their Kronecker products
                $$eqalign{
                A &= Xotimes Y &in {mathbb R}^{mptimes nq} cr
                B &= {rm vec}(X)otimes {rm vec}(Y)^T &in {mathbb R}^{mntimes pq}cr
                }$$

                you want to know how to transform $A implies B$



                The elements in these matrices are identical. The only difference is in the matrix dimensions and in the ordering of the elements.



                Vectorizing the matrices yields two vectors related by a permutation.
                $$eqalign{
                P,{rm vec}(A) &= {rm vec}(B) cr
                Pa &= b cr
                P_{ij},a_j &= b_i cr
                }$$

                The elements of the permuation are easy to find:

                   $P_{ij}$ equals one if the $j^{th}$ element of $a$ maps to the $i^{th}$ element of $b$.



                The single-entry matrix $E_{mn}$ has all elements equal to zero, except for the $(m,n)$ element which is equal to one. Replacing $(X,Y)$ by single-entry matrices leads to $(A,B)$ becoming single-entry matrices and $(a,b)$ becoming single-entry vectors.



                The non-zero elements of $P$ can be found by iterating through every possible single-entry matrix for the input matrices $X ,{rm and}, Y$. Then setting $,P_{ij}=1$, where the non-zero elements of the output vectors $(b,a)$ are observed at $(b_i,a_j)$.



                The permutation depends only on the dimensions of the starting matrices. For your derivative expressions the dimensions are $(m,n,p,q)=(4,2,2,3)$ and the transformation is
                $${rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial{rm vec}(Y)}{partial{rm vec}(X)}Bigg) = P,,{rm vec}Bigg(frac{partial}{partial X}otimes YBigg) $$







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