Does this prove the validity of this First Order Logic formula?
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Is this a valid proof for the following problem?
Prove:
$$models (exists x : A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$$
Proof by contradiction:
Assume $(exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) land lnot (forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
$ (lnot exists x : A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnotforall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$forall x : lnot A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnot(forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$lnot A(a) lor B(a) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ instantiation
$((A(a) to B(a)) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ a contradiction
$therefore (exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
Edit: corrected a typo on step 2
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Is this a valid proof for the following problem?
Prove:
$$models (exists x : A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$$
Proof by contradiction:
Assume $(exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) land lnot (forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
$ (lnot exists x : A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnotforall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$forall x : lnot A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnot(forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$lnot A(a) lor B(a) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ instantiation
$((A(a) to B(a)) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ a contradiction
$therefore (exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
Edit: corrected a typo on step 2
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Why on Earth is this downvoted? Sure, the user didn't use $LaTeX$, but come on! They're new!
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Please use MathJax is future, @OldGreg.
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@Shaun: It's not my downvote, but there's a loose group of users who don't like pure proof-verification questions and think they don't add value to the site.
– Henning Makholm
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I am of the view that it is better to edit new contributor's work into mathjax rather then downvoting them for that.
– Q the Platypus
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Same. I've started the hard parts of editing the mathjax into the post, but I'm a bit strapped on time. Finishing up the mathjax edits would be good editing practice if someone else is interested.
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Is this a valid proof for the following problem?
Prove:
$$models (exists x : A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$$
Proof by contradiction:
Assume $(exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) land lnot (forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
$ (lnot exists x : A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnotforall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$forall x : lnot A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnot(forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$lnot A(a) lor B(a) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ instantiation
$((A(a) to B(a)) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ a contradiction
$therefore (exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
Edit: corrected a typo on step 2
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Is this a valid proof for the following problem?
Prove:
$$models (exists x : A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$$
Proof by contradiction:
Assume $(exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) land lnot (forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
$ (lnot exists x : A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnotforall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$forall x : lnot A(x) lor forall x : B(x)) land lnot(forall x : (A(x) to B(x))$ logical equivalence
$lnot A(a) lor B(a) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ instantiation
$((A(a) to B(a)) land lnot((A(a) to B(a))$ a contradiction
$therefore (exists x: A(x) to forall x : B(x)) to forall x(A(x) to B(x))$
Edit: corrected a typo on step 2
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Why on Earth is this downvoted? Sure, the user didn't use $LaTeX$, but come on! They're new!
– Shaun
2 days ago
Please use MathJax is future, @OldGreg.
– Shaun
2 days ago
@Shaun: It's not my downvote, but there's a loose group of users who don't like pure proof-verification questions and think they don't add value to the site.
– Henning Makholm
2 days ago
I am of the view that it is better to edit new contributor's work into mathjax rather then downvoting them for that.
– Q the Platypus
2 days ago
Same. I've started the hard parts of editing the mathjax into the post, but I'm a bit strapped on time. Finishing up the mathjax edits would be good editing practice if someone else is interested.
– Larry B.
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Why on Earth is this downvoted? Sure, the user didn't use $LaTeX$, but come on! They're new!
– Shaun
2 days ago
Please use MathJax is future, @OldGreg.
– Shaun
2 days ago
@Shaun: It's not my downvote, but there's a loose group of users who don't like pure proof-verification questions and think they don't add value to the site.
– Henning Makholm
2 days ago
I am of the view that it is better to edit new contributor's work into mathjax rather then downvoting them for that.
– Q the Platypus
2 days ago
Same. I've started the hard parts of editing the mathjax into the post, but I'm a bit strapped on time. Finishing up the mathjax edits would be good editing practice if someone else is interested.
– Larry B.
2 days ago
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Why on Earth is this downvoted? Sure, the user didn't use $LaTeX$, but come on! They're new!
– Shaun
2 days ago
Why on Earth is this downvoted? Sure, the user didn't use $LaTeX$, but come on! They're new!
– Shaun
2 days ago
Please use MathJax is future, @OldGreg.
– Shaun
2 days ago
Please use MathJax is future, @OldGreg.
– Shaun
2 days ago
@Shaun: It's not my downvote, but there's a loose group of users who don't like pure proof-verification questions and think they don't add value to the site.
– Henning Makholm
2 days ago
@Shaun: It's not my downvote, but there's a loose group of users who don't like pure proof-verification questions and think they don't add value to the site.
– Henning Makholm
2 days ago
I am of the view that it is better to edit new contributor's work into mathjax rather then downvoting them for that.
– Q the Platypus
2 days ago
I am of the view that it is better to edit new contributor's work into mathjax rather then downvoting them for that.
– Q the Platypus
2 days ago
Same. I've started the hard parts of editing the mathjax into the post, but I'm a bit strapped on time. Finishing up the mathjax edits would be good editing practice if someone else is interested.
– Larry B.
2 days ago
Same. I've started the hard parts of editing the mathjax into the post, but I'm a bit strapped on time. Finishing up the mathjax edits would be good editing practice if someone else is interested.
– Larry B.
2 days ago
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In step 2 you make use of the equivalence
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff forall x . neg A(x) ∨ forall x . B(x) $
This is not a real equivalence compare it to demorgans law.
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff neg(exists x . A(x)) land neg(forall x.B(x))$
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If you want a syntactic proof for a conditional statement, I suggest that you should use a Conditional Proof format.
So assume $exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x)$ and do something to derive $forall x~(A(x)to B(x))$.
Then discharge the assumption with conditional introduction.
$deffitch#1#2{quadbegin{array}{|l} #1\hline #2end{array}}
fitch{}{fitch{1.~exists x~A(x)~to~forall x~B(x)}{fitch{~ldots}{~ddots}\8.~forall x~(A(x)to B(x))}\9.~(exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x))toforall x~(A(x)to B(x))}$
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Step 4 is wrong!
It looks like you instantiated all universals with an $a$, but you cannot do that when the universals are part of a larger sentence.
Consider: Suppose you have
$$neg forall x P(x) land neg forall x neg P(x)$$
Now, if we are allowed to just instantiate each of these universals with an $a$, we would get $neg P(a) land neg neg P(a)$, which is a contradiction. But, the orginal statement is not a contradiction at all; if we interpret $P(x)$ as '$x$ is even', and the domain is all numbers, then the original statement is obviously true.
Even more fundamentally, if you have $neg forall x P(x)$, you cannot fill in anything you want. Using the same interpretation as before, it is clear that $neg forall x P(x)$ is true, but $neg P(0)$ is not. So, you cannot instantiate a universal with anything you wany if it is being negated, but this is what you did when in step 4 you went from $neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$ to $neg (A(a) rightarrow B(x))$
Step 2 is also wrong. The result of rewriting the conditional as an implication should be:
$(neg exists x A(x) lor forall x B(x)) land neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$
Interestingly, given your step 2, step 3 is also wrong, as pointed out by @QthePlatypus, but with this corrected step 2, your step 3 actually would follow ... so maybe this was just a typo on your part?
Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
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In step 2 you make use of the equivalence
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff forall x . neg A(x) ∨ forall x . B(x) $
This is not a real equivalence compare it to demorgans law.
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff neg(exists x . A(x)) land neg(forall x.B(x))$
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In step 2 you make use of the equivalence
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff forall x . neg A(x) ∨ forall x . B(x) $
This is not a real equivalence compare it to demorgans law.
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff neg(exists x . A(x)) land neg(forall x.B(x))$
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In step 2 you make use of the equivalence
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff forall x . neg A(x) ∨ forall x . B(x) $
This is not a real equivalence compare it to demorgans law.
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff neg(exists x . A(x)) land neg(forall x.B(x))$
In step 2 you make use of the equivalence
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff forall x . neg A(x) ∨ forall x . B(x) $
This is not a real equivalence compare it to demorgans law.
$neg(exists x . A(x) lor forall x.B(x)) iff neg(exists x . A(x)) land neg(forall x.B(x))$
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If you want a syntactic proof for a conditional statement, I suggest that you should use a Conditional Proof format.
So assume $exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x)$ and do something to derive $forall x~(A(x)to B(x))$.
Then discharge the assumption with conditional introduction.
$deffitch#1#2{quadbegin{array}{|l} #1\hline #2end{array}}
fitch{}{fitch{1.~exists x~A(x)~to~forall x~B(x)}{fitch{~ldots}{~ddots}\8.~forall x~(A(x)to B(x))}\9.~(exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x))toforall x~(A(x)to B(x))}$
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If you want a syntactic proof for a conditional statement, I suggest that you should use a Conditional Proof format.
So assume $exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x)$ and do something to derive $forall x~(A(x)to B(x))$.
Then discharge the assumption with conditional introduction.
$deffitch#1#2{quadbegin{array}{|l} #1\hline #2end{array}}
fitch{}{fitch{1.~exists x~A(x)~to~forall x~B(x)}{fitch{~ldots}{~ddots}\8.~forall x~(A(x)to B(x))}\9.~(exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x))toforall x~(A(x)to B(x))}$
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up vote
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If you want a syntactic proof for a conditional statement, I suggest that you should use a Conditional Proof format.
So assume $exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x)$ and do something to derive $forall x~(A(x)to B(x))$.
Then discharge the assumption with conditional introduction.
$deffitch#1#2{quadbegin{array}{|l} #1\hline #2end{array}}
fitch{}{fitch{1.~exists x~A(x)~to~forall x~B(x)}{fitch{~ldots}{~ddots}\8.~forall x~(A(x)to B(x))}\9.~(exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x))toforall x~(A(x)to B(x))}$
If you want a syntactic proof for a conditional statement, I suggest that you should use a Conditional Proof format.
So assume $exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x)$ and do something to derive $forall x~(A(x)to B(x))$.
Then discharge the assumption with conditional introduction.
$deffitch#1#2{quadbegin{array}{|l} #1\hline #2end{array}}
fitch{}{fitch{1.~exists x~A(x)~to~forall x~B(x)}{fitch{~ldots}{~ddots}\8.~forall x~(A(x)to B(x))}\9.~(exists x~A(x)toforall x~B(x))toforall x~(A(x)to B(x))}$
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Step 4 is wrong!
It looks like you instantiated all universals with an $a$, but you cannot do that when the universals are part of a larger sentence.
Consider: Suppose you have
$$neg forall x P(x) land neg forall x neg P(x)$$
Now, if we are allowed to just instantiate each of these universals with an $a$, we would get $neg P(a) land neg neg P(a)$, which is a contradiction. But, the orginal statement is not a contradiction at all; if we interpret $P(x)$ as '$x$ is even', and the domain is all numbers, then the original statement is obviously true.
Even more fundamentally, if you have $neg forall x P(x)$, you cannot fill in anything you want. Using the same interpretation as before, it is clear that $neg forall x P(x)$ is true, but $neg P(0)$ is not. So, you cannot instantiate a universal with anything you wany if it is being negated, but this is what you did when in step 4 you went from $neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$ to $neg (A(a) rightarrow B(x))$
Step 2 is also wrong. The result of rewriting the conditional as an implication should be:
$(neg exists x A(x) lor forall x B(x)) land neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$
Interestingly, given your step 2, step 3 is also wrong, as pointed out by @QthePlatypus, but with this corrected step 2, your step 3 actually would follow ... so maybe this was just a typo on your part?
Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
add a comment |
up vote
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Step 4 is wrong!
It looks like you instantiated all universals with an $a$, but you cannot do that when the universals are part of a larger sentence.
Consider: Suppose you have
$$neg forall x P(x) land neg forall x neg P(x)$$
Now, if we are allowed to just instantiate each of these universals with an $a$, we would get $neg P(a) land neg neg P(a)$, which is a contradiction. But, the orginal statement is not a contradiction at all; if we interpret $P(x)$ as '$x$ is even', and the domain is all numbers, then the original statement is obviously true.
Even more fundamentally, if you have $neg forall x P(x)$, you cannot fill in anything you want. Using the same interpretation as before, it is clear that $neg forall x P(x)$ is true, but $neg P(0)$ is not. So, you cannot instantiate a universal with anything you wany if it is being negated, but this is what you did when in step 4 you went from $neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$ to $neg (A(a) rightarrow B(x))$
Step 2 is also wrong. The result of rewriting the conditional as an implication should be:
$(neg exists x A(x) lor forall x B(x)) land neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$
Interestingly, given your step 2, step 3 is also wrong, as pointed out by @QthePlatypus, but with this corrected step 2, your step 3 actually would follow ... so maybe this was just a typo on your part?
Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
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Step 4 is wrong!
It looks like you instantiated all universals with an $a$, but you cannot do that when the universals are part of a larger sentence.
Consider: Suppose you have
$$neg forall x P(x) land neg forall x neg P(x)$$
Now, if we are allowed to just instantiate each of these universals with an $a$, we would get $neg P(a) land neg neg P(a)$, which is a contradiction. But, the orginal statement is not a contradiction at all; if we interpret $P(x)$ as '$x$ is even', and the domain is all numbers, then the original statement is obviously true.
Even more fundamentally, if you have $neg forall x P(x)$, you cannot fill in anything you want. Using the same interpretation as before, it is clear that $neg forall x P(x)$ is true, but $neg P(0)$ is not. So, you cannot instantiate a universal with anything you wany if it is being negated, but this is what you did when in step 4 you went from $neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$ to $neg (A(a) rightarrow B(x))$
Step 2 is also wrong. The result of rewriting the conditional as an implication should be:
$(neg exists x A(x) lor forall x B(x)) land neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$
Interestingly, given your step 2, step 3 is also wrong, as pointed out by @QthePlatypus, but with this corrected step 2, your step 3 actually would follow ... so maybe this was just a typo on your part?
Step 4 is wrong!
It looks like you instantiated all universals with an $a$, but you cannot do that when the universals are part of a larger sentence.
Consider: Suppose you have
$$neg forall x P(x) land neg forall x neg P(x)$$
Now, if we are allowed to just instantiate each of these universals with an $a$, we would get $neg P(a) land neg neg P(a)$, which is a contradiction. But, the orginal statement is not a contradiction at all; if we interpret $P(x)$ as '$x$ is even', and the domain is all numbers, then the original statement is obviously true.
Even more fundamentally, if you have $neg forall x P(x)$, you cannot fill in anything you want. Using the same interpretation as before, it is clear that $neg forall x P(x)$ is true, but $neg P(0)$ is not. So, you cannot instantiate a universal with anything you wany if it is being negated, but this is what you did when in step 4 you went from $neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$ to $neg (A(a) rightarrow B(x))$
Step 2 is also wrong. The result of rewriting the conditional as an implication should be:
$(neg exists x A(x) lor forall x B(x)) land neg forall x (A(x) rightarrow B(x))$
Interestingly, given your step 2, step 3 is also wrong, as pointed out by @QthePlatypus, but with this corrected step 2, your step 3 actually would follow ... so maybe this was just a typo on your part?
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Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
add a comment |
Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
Thank you for the detailed example. I am a beginner, and I am still struggling with understanding when instantiation is allowed, I don't yet have a good strategy. It looks like a strategy might be to translate the line into informal English, in order to see whether or not instantiating will lead to a contradiction. Would a translation of your example be something like: "No number x is both even and not even."? If you know of any good resources, I would love more practice with quantifiers and instantiation, the more examples the better.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
thanks again, I made the correction to step 2.
– OldGreg
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
@oldgreg The official rule of instantiation is such that you can only use it when the whole statement is a universal. Any universal that is part of a larger statement cannit be instantiated.
– Bram28
yesterday
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Why on Earth is this downvoted? Sure, the user didn't use $LaTeX$, but come on! They're new!
– Shaun
2 days ago
Please use MathJax is future, @OldGreg.
– Shaun
2 days ago
@Shaun: It's not my downvote, but there's a loose group of users who don't like pure proof-verification questions and think they don't add value to the site.
– Henning Makholm
2 days ago
I am of the view that it is better to edit new contributor's work into mathjax rather then downvoting them for that.
– Q the Platypus
2 days ago
Same. I've started the hard parts of editing the mathjax into the post, but I'm a bit strapped on time. Finishing up the mathjax edits would be good editing practice if someone else is interested.
– Larry B.
2 days ago