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I am planning to expand master bedroom and hired an architect to draw the plan. What I learnt is that he drew diagram by hand and not using CAD. He is an old guy. But I am wondering if I should be concerned now? Given this age, everything has to be exactly accurate and submit as CAD diagram for the city permit. Does it matter?
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I am planning to expand master bedroom and hired an architect to draw the plan. What I learnt is that he drew diagram by hand and not using CAD. He is an old guy. But I am wondering if I should be concerned now? Given this age, everything has to be exactly accurate and submit as CAD diagram for the city permit. Does it matter?
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My jurisdiction would allow the plan to be on a napkin if it had the information the building department required. Age may have benefits if there are any special design criteria old timers may have designed things in the past that gives them experiance someone else may not have.
– Ed Beal
21 hours ago
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I think you would be amazed by the (poor) quality of so many of the drawings that planning authorities receive (and approve)
– Strawberry
20 hours ago
1
If the ones to read the drawings have their heads for more than holding a cap there is no difference between hand-designed papers and Computer-aided-designed ones. In many cases good sketch works better than CAD drawing - it is a faster and you don't need a plotter/printer.
– Crowley
17 hours ago
1
Would you fly in an airplane that was designed on paper? The 737 was. Yet the 737NG and MAX are fine aircraft. It's been retroactively CNCd, but inchanged except where called for.
– Harper
14 hours ago
1
If he is a true architect and not a draftsman, he is required by law to seal (stamp) each drawing sheet (page). Make sure it’s stamped and he’ll be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the plans.
– Lee Sam
7 hours ago
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up vote
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I am planning to expand master bedroom and hired an architect to draw the plan. What I learnt is that he drew diagram by hand and not using CAD. He is an old guy. But I am wondering if I should be concerned now? Given this age, everything has to be exactly accurate and submit as CAD diagram for the city permit. Does it matter?
planning architecture planning-permission addition
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HP.
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I am planning to expand master bedroom and hired an architect to draw the plan. What I learnt is that he drew diagram by hand and not using CAD. He is an old guy. But I am wondering if I should be concerned now? Given this age, everything has to be exactly accurate and submit as CAD diagram for the city permit. Does it matter?
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My jurisdiction would allow the plan to be on a napkin if it had the information the building department required. Age may have benefits if there are any special design criteria old timers may have designed things in the past that gives them experiance someone else may not have.
– Ed Beal
21 hours ago
5
I think you would be amazed by the (poor) quality of so many of the drawings that planning authorities receive (and approve)
– Strawberry
20 hours ago
1
If the ones to read the drawings have their heads for more than holding a cap there is no difference between hand-designed papers and Computer-aided-designed ones. In many cases good sketch works better than CAD drawing - it is a faster and you don't need a plotter/printer.
– Crowley
17 hours ago
1
Would you fly in an airplane that was designed on paper? The 737 was. Yet the 737NG and MAX are fine aircraft. It's been retroactively CNCd, but inchanged except where called for.
– Harper
14 hours ago
1
If he is a true architect and not a draftsman, he is required by law to seal (stamp) each drawing sheet (page). Make sure it’s stamped and he’ll be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the plans.
– Lee Sam
7 hours ago
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My jurisdiction would allow the plan to be on a napkin if it had the information the building department required. Age may have benefits if there are any special design criteria old timers may have designed things in the past that gives them experiance someone else may not have.
– Ed Beal
21 hours ago
5
I think you would be amazed by the (poor) quality of so many of the drawings that planning authorities receive (and approve)
– Strawberry
20 hours ago
1
If the ones to read the drawings have their heads for more than holding a cap there is no difference between hand-designed papers and Computer-aided-designed ones. In many cases good sketch works better than CAD drawing - it is a faster and you don't need a plotter/printer.
– Crowley
17 hours ago
1
Would you fly in an airplane that was designed on paper? The 737 was. Yet the 737NG and MAX are fine aircraft. It's been retroactively CNCd, but inchanged except where called for.
– Harper
14 hours ago
1
If he is a true architect and not a draftsman, he is required by law to seal (stamp) each drawing sheet (page). Make sure it’s stamped and he’ll be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the plans.
– Lee Sam
7 hours ago
20
20
My jurisdiction would allow the plan to be on a napkin if it had the information the building department required. Age may have benefits if there are any special design criteria old timers may have designed things in the past that gives them experiance someone else may not have.
– Ed Beal
21 hours ago
My jurisdiction would allow the plan to be on a napkin if it had the information the building department required. Age may have benefits if there are any special design criteria old timers may have designed things in the past that gives them experiance someone else may not have.
– Ed Beal
21 hours ago
5
5
I think you would be amazed by the (poor) quality of so many of the drawings that planning authorities receive (and approve)
– Strawberry
20 hours ago
I think you would be amazed by the (poor) quality of so many of the drawings that planning authorities receive (and approve)
– Strawberry
20 hours ago
1
1
If the ones to read the drawings have their heads for more than holding a cap there is no difference between hand-designed papers and Computer-aided-designed ones. In many cases good sketch works better than CAD drawing - it is a faster and you don't need a plotter/printer.
– Crowley
17 hours ago
If the ones to read the drawings have their heads for more than holding a cap there is no difference between hand-designed papers and Computer-aided-designed ones. In many cases good sketch works better than CAD drawing - it is a faster and you don't need a plotter/printer.
– Crowley
17 hours ago
1
1
Would you fly in an airplane that was designed on paper? The 737 was. Yet the 737NG and MAX are fine aircraft. It's been retroactively CNCd, but inchanged except where called for.
– Harper
14 hours ago
Would you fly in an airplane that was designed on paper? The 737 was. Yet the 737NG and MAX are fine aircraft. It's been retroactively CNCd, but inchanged except where called for.
– Harper
14 hours ago
1
1
If he is a true architect and not a draftsman, he is required by law to seal (stamp) each drawing sheet (page). Make sure it’s stamped and he’ll be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the plans.
– Lee Sam
7 hours ago
If he is a true architect and not a draftsman, he is required by law to seal (stamp) each drawing sheet (page). Make sure it’s stamped and he’ll be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the plans.
– Lee Sam
7 hours ago
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I have worked in construction in Indianapolis, and this is my experience:
Hand drawn drawings will not be rejected by the permit authority.
I drew my own plans for the update to my home: Hand drawn, in pencil.
Hand drawn drawings will be more scrutinized by the permit authority.
When submitting the plans, I had to be ready to answer more questions than usual. I have submitted plans that were drawn by engineers for commercial construction (yes, some hand drawn!), and they were received and stamped in seconds. For my plans, the receiving person looked at the drawings and did not see an engineer stamp. At that point, they asked if I had a general contractor, to which I answered that I was overseeing the construction directly.
- They asked about greenway requirements (amount of grass compared to building/concrete covered area) to which I pointed to the water drainage page.
- They asked about whether there was an increase in water drainage to the city to which I pointed to the fact that the house footprint didn't change.
- They asked about where the spoils (dirt being excavated) would go, and how that would change drainage and I explained that all spoils were moving off-site to a commercial greenhouse nearby.
- They asked about the new footers under the house; how they stick out four inches toward a neighbors yard where the setback distance was already too close (according to current standards) and claimed that I needed to change that. I stated that current setback fulfilled what was required by regulation because the current setback was grandfathered in, and that they should look at the eave of the house to see that the building line was the eave line, not the wall line, so the four inches of footer would still be under eave.
This went on for 15 minutes.
All-in-all, I had construction know-how to answer these questions and in the end they had no grounds to reject it. I just warn that in some areas you may have to be ready to defend hand-drawn plans that are not engineer signed.
answered 20 hours ago
Keeta
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Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
1
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
1
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
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No, a proper plan will include all measurements and you can be accurate enough by hand to create a to-scale plan.
People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries (and without any drawn plans for a lot longer) before CAD became common in architecture.
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ratchet freak
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"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
11
@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
7
In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
1
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
2
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
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If your city required a CAD drawing to issue a permit, you'd have an issue - but that's not likely; they probably just want a drawing. Many places require that you submit the drawing in an electronic format rather than on paper, but you can scan the hand drawn drawing into a PDF and submit that.
If you were doing a much bigger job, and you wanted others to collaborate on the drawings - not just read and work from the drawings, but make changes, add in mechanical / electrical / plumbing etc. - you would want an electronic format, it would be far more efficient. But that's not a concern with a small addition.
I don't see any down side to letting this person work in the medium that they prefer. If they do good work at a reasonable price, I'd rather have a hand drawn plan from them, than not so great work or an high price in state of the art CAD.
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People have focused on the permit process, but there is another issue, which is consistency between the various parts of the plan. If you model the house in 3D CAD and print plans from the model they will all be consistent. If you draw plans by hand or in a 2D CAD program it is a manual check to make sure the various pages of drawings are consistent and changes get incorporated in all the places they should. Your architect is used to this problem and will do a review, but it would be good for you to do so as well. You haven't been seeing the plans every day and may find some issues the architect overlooks.
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Ross Millikan
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Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
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I have worked in construction in Indianapolis, and this is my experience:
Hand drawn drawings will not be rejected by the permit authority.
I drew my own plans for the update to my home: Hand drawn, in pencil.
Hand drawn drawings will be more scrutinized by the permit authority.
When submitting the plans, I had to be ready to answer more questions than usual. I have submitted plans that were drawn by engineers for commercial construction (yes, some hand drawn!), and they were received and stamped in seconds. For my plans, the receiving person looked at the drawings and did not see an engineer stamp. At that point, they asked if I had a general contractor, to which I answered that I was overseeing the construction directly.
- They asked about greenway requirements (amount of grass compared to building/concrete covered area) to which I pointed to the water drainage page.
- They asked about whether there was an increase in water drainage to the city to which I pointed to the fact that the house footprint didn't change.
- They asked about where the spoils (dirt being excavated) would go, and how that would change drainage and I explained that all spoils were moving off-site to a commercial greenhouse nearby.
- They asked about the new footers under the house; how they stick out four inches toward a neighbors yard where the setback distance was already too close (according to current standards) and claimed that I needed to change that. I stated that current setback fulfilled what was required by regulation because the current setback was grandfathered in, and that they should look at the eave of the house to see that the building line was the eave line, not the wall line, so the four inches of footer would still be under eave.
This went on for 15 minutes.
All-in-all, I had construction know-how to answer these questions and in the end they had no grounds to reject it. I just warn that in some areas you may have to be ready to defend hand-drawn plans that are not engineer signed.
answered 20 hours ago
Keeta
43626
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Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
1
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
1
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
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up vote
21
down vote
accepted
I have worked in construction in Indianapolis, and this is my experience:
Hand drawn drawings will not be rejected by the permit authority.
I drew my own plans for the update to my home: Hand drawn, in pencil.
Hand drawn drawings will be more scrutinized by the permit authority.
When submitting the plans, I had to be ready to answer more questions than usual. I have submitted plans that were drawn by engineers for commercial construction (yes, some hand drawn!), and they were received and stamped in seconds. For my plans, the receiving person looked at the drawings and did not see an engineer stamp. At that point, they asked if I had a general contractor, to which I answered that I was overseeing the construction directly.
- They asked about greenway requirements (amount of grass compared to building/concrete covered area) to which I pointed to the water drainage page.
- They asked about whether there was an increase in water drainage to the city to which I pointed to the fact that the house footprint didn't change.
- They asked about where the spoils (dirt being excavated) would go, and how that would change drainage and I explained that all spoils were moving off-site to a commercial greenhouse nearby.
- They asked about the new footers under the house; how they stick out four inches toward a neighbors yard where the setback distance was already too close (according to current standards) and claimed that I needed to change that. I stated that current setback fulfilled what was required by regulation because the current setback was grandfathered in, and that they should look at the eave of the house to see that the building line was the eave line, not the wall line, so the four inches of footer would still be under eave.
This went on for 15 minutes.
All-in-all, I had construction know-how to answer these questions and in the end they had no grounds to reject it. I just warn that in some areas you may have to be ready to defend hand-drawn plans that are not engineer signed.
answered 20 hours ago
Keeta
43626
3
Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
1
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
1
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
21
down vote
accepted
up vote
21
down vote
accepted
I have worked in construction in Indianapolis, and this is my experience:
Hand drawn drawings will not be rejected by the permit authority.
I drew my own plans for the update to my home: Hand drawn, in pencil.
Hand drawn drawings will be more scrutinized by the permit authority.
When submitting the plans, I had to be ready to answer more questions than usual. I have submitted plans that were drawn by engineers for commercial construction (yes, some hand drawn!), and they were received and stamped in seconds. For my plans, the receiving person looked at the drawings and did not see an engineer stamp. At that point, they asked if I had a general contractor, to which I answered that I was overseeing the construction directly.
- They asked about greenway requirements (amount of grass compared to building/concrete covered area) to which I pointed to the water drainage page.
- They asked about whether there was an increase in water drainage to the city to which I pointed to the fact that the house footprint didn't change.
- They asked about where the spoils (dirt being excavated) would go, and how that would change drainage and I explained that all spoils were moving off-site to a commercial greenhouse nearby.
- They asked about the new footers under the house; how they stick out four inches toward a neighbors yard where the setback distance was already too close (according to current standards) and claimed that I needed to change that. I stated that current setback fulfilled what was required by regulation because the current setback was grandfathered in, and that they should look at the eave of the house to see that the building line was the eave line, not the wall line, so the four inches of footer would still be under eave.
This went on for 15 minutes.
All-in-all, I had construction know-how to answer these questions and in the end they had no grounds to reject it. I just warn that in some areas you may have to be ready to defend hand-drawn plans that are not engineer signed.
answered 20 hours ago
Keeta
43626
I have worked in construction in Indianapolis, and this is my experience:
Hand drawn drawings will not be rejected by the permit authority.
I drew my own plans for the update to my home: Hand drawn, in pencil.
Hand drawn drawings will be more scrutinized by the permit authority.
When submitting the plans, I had to be ready to answer more questions than usual. I have submitted plans that were drawn by engineers for commercial construction (yes, some hand drawn!), and they were received and stamped in seconds. For my plans, the receiving person looked at the drawings and did not see an engineer stamp. At that point, they asked if I had a general contractor, to which I answered that I was overseeing the construction directly.
- They asked about greenway requirements (amount of grass compared to building/concrete covered area) to which I pointed to the water drainage page.
- They asked about whether there was an increase in water drainage to the city to which I pointed to the fact that the house footprint didn't change.
- They asked about where the spoils (dirt being excavated) would go, and how that would change drainage and I explained that all spoils were moving off-site to a commercial greenhouse nearby.
- They asked about the new footers under the house; how they stick out four inches toward a neighbors yard where the setback distance was already too close (according to current standards) and claimed that I needed to change that. I stated that current setback fulfilled what was required by regulation because the current setback was grandfathered in, and that they should look at the eave of the house to see that the building line was the eave line, not the wall line, so the four inches of footer would still be under eave.
This went on for 15 minutes.
All-in-all, I had construction know-how to answer these questions and in the end they had no grounds to reject it. I just warn that in some areas you may have to be ready to defend hand-drawn plans that are not engineer signed.
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Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
1
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
1
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
add a comment |
3
Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
1
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
1
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
3
3
Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
Good story, very informative. In the case of the OP, with an architect, the hand drawn plans may be stamped, and if the architect is someone they are familiar with they'll know if his work needs closer examination.
– batsplatsterson
20 hours ago
1
1
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
@batsplatsterson I tried to address some of the same questions he may be posed should the case be that this person does not have an engineer stamp. e.g. with an addition to a house you will have additional water drainage load, and could be encroaching on a setback line. OP should be ready to answer these if they have a "difficult" planning commission.
– Keeta
20 hours ago
1
1
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
Your answer is correct and also provide an interesting story. Thank you
– HP.
19 hours ago
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No, a proper plan will include all measurements and you can be accurate enough by hand to create a to-scale plan.
People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries (and without any drawn plans for a lot longer) before CAD became common in architecture.
answered yesterday
ratchet freak
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"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
11
@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
7
In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
1
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
2
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
14 hours ago
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No, a proper plan will include all measurements and you can be accurate enough by hand to create a to-scale plan.
People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries (and without any drawn plans for a lot longer) before CAD became common in architecture.
answered yesterday
ratchet freak
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"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
11
@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
7
In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
1
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
2
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
14 hours ago
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29
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up vote
29
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No, a proper plan will include all measurements and you can be accurate enough by hand to create a to-scale plan.
People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries (and without any drawn plans for a lot longer) before CAD became common in architecture.
answered yesterday
ratchet freak
4,43611016
No, a proper plan will include all measurements and you can be accurate enough by hand to create a to-scale plan.
People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries (and without any drawn plans for a lot longer) before CAD became common in architecture.
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ratchet freak
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ratchet freak
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ratchet freak
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"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
11
@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
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In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
1
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
2
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
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"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
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@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
7
In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
1
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
2
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
14 hours ago
1
1
"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
"People have been building houses by hand-drawn plans for centuries". Depending on what you mean by "plans", I'm not sure that's true - or if it is true, it is a rather small number of centuries. The medieval cathedrals were built rather more by eye than by detailed plans that would be acceptable to a modern builder.
– Martin Bonner
yesterday
11
11
@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
@MartinBonner - The oldest "construction drawing" is in the Temple of Apollo at Didyma. An unfinished stone wall was etched with the profiles of columns and moldings, and the wall was never finished so the drawing was not erased: a rare glimpse into the history of working construction drawings." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_construction
– batsplatsterson
23 hours ago
7
7
In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
In real life, most modern small-scale buildings (like the OP's house extension) are still "built rather more by eye than by detailed plans". When you discover that the existing structure isn't the same as what the plan assumed, you don't stop to update the plan - you use common sense and improvise!
– alephzero
23 hours ago
1
1
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
@alephzero Seems like half the trades on large commercial construction do the exact same thing.
– JMac
20 hours ago
2
2
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
14 hours ago
@MartinBonner - medieval cathedrals (and other such buildings) also had physical models of some or all of the construction, so the builders/workmen could see what they needed to do; did they not (in some cases at least)?
– davidbak
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If your city required a CAD drawing to issue a permit, you'd have an issue - but that's not likely; they probably just want a drawing. Many places require that you submit the drawing in an electronic format rather than on paper, but you can scan the hand drawn drawing into a PDF and submit that.
If you were doing a much bigger job, and you wanted others to collaborate on the drawings - not just read and work from the drawings, but make changes, add in mechanical / electrical / plumbing etc. - you would want an electronic format, it would be far more efficient. But that's not a concern with a small addition.
I don't see any down side to letting this person work in the medium that they prefer. If they do good work at a reasonable price, I'd rather have a hand drawn plan from them, than not so great work or an high price in state of the art CAD.
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If your city required a CAD drawing to issue a permit, you'd have an issue - but that's not likely; they probably just want a drawing. Many places require that you submit the drawing in an electronic format rather than on paper, but you can scan the hand drawn drawing into a PDF and submit that.
If you were doing a much bigger job, and you wanted others to collaborate on the drawings - not just read and work from the drawings, but make changes, add in mechanical / electrical / plumbing etc. - you would want an electronic format, it would be far more efficient. But that's not a concern with a small addition.
I don't see any down side to letting this person work in the medium that they prefer. If they do good work at a reasonable price, I'd rather have a hand drawn plan from them, than not so great work or an high price in state of the art CAD.
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If your city required a CAD drawing to issue a permit, you'd have an issue - but that's not likely; they probably just want a drawing. Many places require that you submit the drawing in an electronic format rather than on paper, but you can scan the hand drawn drawing into a PDF and submit that.
If you were doing a much bigger job, and you wanted others to collaborate on the drawings - not just read and work from the drawings, but make changes, add in mechanical / electrical / plumbing etc. - you would want an electronic format, it would be far more efficient. But that's not a concern with a small addition.
I don't see any down side to letting this person work in the medium that they prefer. If they do good work at a reasonable price, I'd rather have a hand drawn plan from them, than not so great work or an high price in state of the art CAD.
answered yesterday
batsplatsterson
7,5921023
If your city required a CAD drawing to issue a permit, you'd have an issue - but that's not likely; they probably just want a drawing. Many places require that you submit the drawing in an electronic format rather than on paper, but you can scan the hand drawn drawing into a PDF and submit that.
If you were doing a much bigger job, and you wanted others to collaborate on the drawings - not just read and work from the drawings, but make changes, add in mechanical / electrical / plumbing etc. - you would want an electronic format, it would be far more efficient. But that's not a concern with a small addition.
I don't see any down side to letting this person work in the medium that they prefer. If they do good work at a reasonable price, I'd rather have a hand drawn plan from them, than not so great work or an high price in state of the art CAD.
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People have focused on the permit process, but there is another issue, which is consistency between the various parts of the plan. If you model the house in 3D CAD and print plans from the model they will all be consistent. If you draw plans by hand or in a 2D CAD program it is a manual check to make sure the various pages of drawings are consistent and changes get incorporated in all the places they should. Your architect is used to this problem and will do a review, but it would be good for you to do so as well. You haven't been seeing the plans every day and may find some issues the architect overlooks.
answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
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Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
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People have focused on the permit process, but there is another issue, which is consistency between the various parts of the plan. If you model the house in 3D CAD and print plans from the model they will all be consistent. If you draw plans by hand or in a 2D CAD program it is a manual check to make sure the various pages of drawings are consistent and changes get incorporated in all the places they should. Your architect is used to this problem and will do a review, but it would be good for you to do so as well. You haven't been seeing the plans every day and may find some issues the architect overlooks.
answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
1417
Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
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up vote
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down vote
People have focused on the permit process, but there is another issue, which is consistency between the various parts of the plan. If you model the house in 3D CAD and print plans from the model they will all be consistent. If you draw plans by hand or in a 2D CAD program it is a manual check to make sure the various pages of drawings are consistent and changes get incorporated in all the places they should. Your architect is used to this problem and will do a review, but it would be good for you to do so as well. You haven't been seeing the plans every day and may find some issues the architect overlooks.
answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
1417
People have focused on the permit process, but there is another issue, which is consistency between the various parts of the plan. If you model the house in 3D CAD and print plans from the model they will all be consistent. If you draw plans by hand or in a 2D CAD program it is a manual check to make sure the various pages of drawings are consistent and changes get incorporated in all the places they should. Your architect is used to this problem and will do a review, but it would be good for you to do so as well. You haven't been seeing the plans every day and may find some issues the architect overlooks.
answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
1417
answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
1417
answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
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answered 8 hours ago
Ross Millikan
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Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
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Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
Depends on the intricacy of the design. A simple extension could be a sheet per story, not hard to keep in check.
– Notts90
3 hours ago
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My jurisdiction would allow the plan to be on a napkin if it had the information the building department required. Age may have benefits if there are any special design criteria old timers may have designed things in the past that gives them experiance someone else may not have.
– Ed Beal
21 hours ago
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I think you would be amazed by the (poor) quality of so many of the drawings that planning authorities receive (and approve)
– Strawberry
20 hours ago
1
If the ones to read the drawings have their heads for more than holding a cap there is no difference between hand-designed papers and Computer-aided-designed ones. In many cases good sketch works better than CAD drawing - it is a faster and you don't need a plotter/printer.
– Crowley
17 hours ago
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Would you fly in an airplane that was designed on paper? The 737 was. Yet the 737NG and MAX are fine aircraft. It's been retroactively CNCd, but inchanged except where called for.
– Harper
14 hours ago
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If he is a true architect and not a draftsman, he is required by law to seal (stamp) each drawing sheet (page). Make sure it’s stamped and he’ll be responsible for the accuracy and completeness of the plans.
– Lee Sam
7 hours ago