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One of my teammates has died in battle. As a noble necromancer, I do not want to carry his corpse to the temple on my shoulders, instead I plan to animate his corpse, so he can walk on its own.
Then, in temple, I can destroy the created zombie and pay for his resurrection. Would he get resurrected properly?
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One of my teammates has died in battle. As a noble necromancer, I do not want to carry his corpse to the temple on my shoulders, instead I plan to animate his corpse, so he can walk on its own.
Then, in temple, I can destroy the created zombie and pay for his resurrection. Would he get resurrected properly?
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One of my teammates has died in battle. As a noble necromancer, I do not want to carry his corpse to the temple on my shoulders, instead I plan to animate his corpse, so he can walk on its own.
Then, in temple, I can destroy the created zombie and pay for his resurrection. Would he get resurrected properly?
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One of my teammates has died in battle. As a noble necromancer, I do not want to carry his corpse to the temple on my shoulders, instead I plan to animate his corpse, so he can walk on its own.
Then, in temple, I can destroy the created zombie and pay for his resurrection. Would he get resurrected properly?
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Yes, you can resurrect him.
The resurrection spell says (emphasis mine):
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If the soul is free and willing the target returns to life with all its Hit Points.
Under normal circumstance I would argue that a destroyed/killed undead would no longer count as undead but Jeremy Crawford has posted a call on the similar revivify spell:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
This call would let me extrapolate that it would not be possible. Except that this specific case is actually covered by the MM:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
- MM pg. 315
This would mean the specific case of a resurrection spell (or if you want to be absolutely sure a true resurrection spell) it is able to turn a destroyed zombie back into the person it was before originally killed.
Though you might want to destroy the zombie outside of the temple and carry him the last part as I am guessing that most temples are not happy with zombies walking in.
Beyond RAW
This case relies on a lot of specific rules and exceptions if tis would come up at my home game I would allow resurrection of mindless destroyed undead like skeletons and zombies. I would not allow revivify even if the spell was cast before a minute has past since the original death.
answered 23 hours ago
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What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
1
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
3
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
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No, you can't Resurrect your friend
Strictly by RAW, Animate Dead creates an undead creature, the thing is no longer "your friend's corpse", it is now a zombie with the zombie game statistics:
Animate Dead
Your spell imbues the target with a foul mimicry of life, raising it as an undead creature.
With the above, your teammate has become a zombie, and when destroyed, becomes a dead zombie and not a dead PC.
One of the prerequisites for Resurrection is that the corpse cannot be undead:
Resurrection
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead.
This is further supported by Jeremy Crawford's tweet:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
You also cannot use Raise Dead on him as Raise Dead also states:
Raise Dead
The spell can't return an undead creature to life.
However, True Resurrection does not appear to have the same limitations as the previously mentioned spells, so you probably can get someone to cast True Resurrection, if you're able to pay.
answered 23 hours ago
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I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
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@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
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This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
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Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
5
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
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Yes, the character can be resurrected.
Source, MM pg. 315 under Zombies, sub-section Dark Servants:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
This is not specific to the spell Resurrection but rather resurrection magic in general. So killing the zombie and bringing the character back to life should be manageable within the rules of most spells so long as they qualify within the bounds of their own restrictions.
However, be careful on timing since the limits on resurrection magic start when the character dies. Animate Dead is not the same as Gentle Repose and does not extend the duration for which you are able to resurrect a dead character/npc. So for instance, Revivify only works if used within a minute of death. Raise Dead within the last 10 days.
answered 21 hours ago
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It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
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@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
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5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
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I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
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I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
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Yes, you can resurrect him.
The resurrection spell says (emphasis mine):
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If the soul is free and willing the target returns to life with all its Hit Points.
Under normal circumstance I would argue that a destroyed/killed undead would no longer count as undead but Jeremy Crawford has posted a call on the similar revivify spell:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
This call would let me extrapolate that it would not be possible. Except that this specific case is actually covered by the MM:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
- MM pg. 315
This would mean the specific case of a resurrection spell (or if you want to be absolutely sure a true resurrection spell) it is able to turn a destroyed zombie back into the person it was before originally killed.
Though you might want to destroy the zombie outside of the temple and carry him the last part as I am guessing that most temples are not happy with zombies walking in.
Beyond RAW
This case relies on a lot of specific rules and exceptions if tis would come up at my home game I would allow resurrection of mindless destroyed undead like skeletons and zombies. I would not allow revivify even if the spell was cast before a minute has past since the original death.
answered 23 hours ago
Dinomaster
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What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
1
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
3
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
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Yes, you can resurrect him.
The resurrection spell says (emphasis mine):
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If the soul is free and willing the target returns to life with all its Hit Points.
Under normal circumstance I would argue that a destroyed/killed undead would no longer count as undead but Jeremy Crawford has posted a call on the similar revivify spell:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
This call would let me extrapolate that it would not be possible. Except that this specific case is actually covered by the MM:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
- MM pg. 315
This would mean the specific case of a resurrection spell (or if you want to be absolutely sure a true resurrection spell) it is able to turn a destroyed zombie back into the person it was before originally killed.
Though you might want to destroy the zombie outside of the temple and carry him the last part as I am guessing that most temples are not happy with zombies walking in.
Beyond RAW
This case relies on a lot of specific rules and exceptions if tis would come up at my home game I would allow resurrection of mindless destroyed undead like skeletons and zombies. I would not allow revivify even if the spell was cast before a minute has past since the original death.
answered 23 hours ago
Dinomaster
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4
What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
1
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
3
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
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up vote
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Yes, you can resurrect him.
The resurrection spell says (emphasis mine):
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If the soul is free and willing the target returns to life with all its Hit Points.
Under normal circumstance I would argue that a destroyed/killed undead would no longer count as undead but Jeremy Crawford has posted a call on the similar revivify spell:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
This call would let me extrapolate that it would not be possible. Except that this specific case is actually covered by the MM:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
- MM pg. 315
This would mean the specific case of a resurrection spell (or if you want to be absolutely sure a true resurrection spell) it is able to turn a destroyed zombie back into the person it was before originally killed.
Though you might want to destroy the zombie outside of the temple and carry him the last part as I am guessing that most temples are not happy with zombies walking in.
Beyond RAW
This case relies on a lot of specific rules and exceptions if tis would come up at my home game I would allow resurrection of mindless destroyed undead like skeletons and zombies. I would not allow revivify even if the spell was cast before a minute has past since the original death.
answered 23 hours ago
Dinomaster
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Yes, you can resurrect him.
The resurrection spell says (emphasis mine):
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead. If the soul is free and willing the target returns to life with all its Hit Points.
Under normal circumstance I would argue that a destroyed/killed undead would no longer count as undead but Jeremy Crawford has posted a call on the similar revivify spell:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
This call would let me extrapolate that it would not be possible. Except that this specific case is actually covered by the MM:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
- MM pg. 315
This would mean the specific case of a resurrection spell (or if you want to be absolutely sure a true resurrection spell) it is able to turn a destroyed zombie back into the person it was before originally killed.
Though you might want to destroy the zombie outside of the temple and carry him the last part as I am guessing that most temples are not happy with zombies walking in.
Beyond RAW
This case relies on a lot of specific rules and exceptions if tis would come up at my home game I would allow resurrection of mindless destroyed undead like skeletons and zombies. I would not allow revivify even if the spell was cast before a minute has past since the original death.
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What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
1
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
3
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
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What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
1
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
3
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
4
4
What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
What do you make of the JC quote in daze413's answer?
– NathanS
21 hours ago
1
1
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
+1 for that 'wtf!' moment when a priest sees a zombie walking in
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
3
3
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
Also, true resurrection specifically mentions that it works on undead, if you're willing to pay the extra 24,000 gold, you don't even need to kill the zombie. As a side bonus, true resurrection also removes all curses, diseases and poisons, even if they're magical in nature (it also doesn't impose resurrection sickness that regular resurrection does).
– Matt Rick
16 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
So if your party member dies, and you need to travel a long distance to the temple, you can animate them so they can walk...
– Toon Krijthe
2 hours ago
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No, you can't Resurrect your friend
Strictly by RAW, Animate Dead creates an undead creature, the thing is no longer "your friend's corpse", it is now a zombie with the zombie game statistics:
Animate Dead
Your spell imbues the target with a foul mimicry of life, raising it as an undead creature.
With the above, your teammate has become a zombie, and when destroyed, becomes a dead zombie and not a dead PC.
One of the prerequisites for Resurrection is that the corpse cannot be undead:
Resurrection
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead.
This is further supported by Jeremy Crawford's tweet:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
You also cannot use Raise Dead on him as Raise Dead also states:
Raise Dead
The spell can't return an undead creature to life.
However, True Resurrection does not appear to have the same limitations as the previously mentioned spells, so you probably can get someone to cast True Resurrection, if you're able to pay.
answered 23 hours ago
daze413
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I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
9
@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
5
This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
2
Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
5
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
|
show 9 more comments
up vote
20
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No, you can't Resurrect your friend
Strictly by RAW, Animate Dead creates an undead creature, the thing is no longer "your friend's corpse", it is now a zombie with the zombie game statistics:
Animate Dead
Your spell imbues the target with a foul mimicry of life, raising it as an undead creature.
With the above, your teammate has become a zombie, and when destroyed, becomes a dead zombie and not a dead PC.
One of the prerequisites for Resurrection is that the corpse cannot be undead:
Resurrection
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead.
This is further supported by Jeremy Crawford's tweet:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
You also cannot use Raise Dead on him as Raise Dead also states:
Raise Dead
The spell can't return an undead creature to life.
However, True Resurrection does not appear to have the same limitations as the previously mentioned spells, so you probably can get someone to cast True Resurrection, if you're able to pay.
answered 23 hours ago
daze413
21.3k779166
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I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
9
@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
5
This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
2
Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
5
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
|
show 9 more comments
up vote
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No, you can't Resurrect your friend
Strictly by RAW, Animate Dead creates an undead creature, the thing is no longer "your friend's corpse", it is now a zombie with the zombie game statistics:
Animate Dead
Your spell imbues the target with a foul mimicry of life, raising it as an undead creature.
With the above, your teammate has become a zombie, and when destroyed, becomes a dead zombie and not a dead PC.
One of the prerequisites for Resurrection is that the corpse cannot be undead:
Resurrection
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead.
This is further supported by Jeremy Crawford's tweet:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
You also cannot use Raise Dead on him as Raise Dead also states:
Raise Dead
The spell can't return an undead creature to life.
However, True Resurrection does not appear to have the same limitations as the previously mentioned spells, so you probably can get someone to cast True Resurrection, if you're able to pay.
answered 23 hours ago
daze413
21.3k779166
No, you can't Resurrect your friend
Strictly by RAW, Animate Dead creates an undead creature, the thing is no longer "your friend's corpse", it is now a zombie with the zombie game statistics:
Animate Dead
Your spell imbues the target with a foul mimicry of life, raising it as an undead creature.
With the above, your teammate has become a zombie, and when destroyed, becomes a dead zombie and not a dead PC.
One of the prerequisites for Resurrection is that the corpse cannot be undead:
Resurrection
You touch a dead creature that has been dead for no more than a century, that didn't die of old age, and that isn't undead.
This is further supported by Jeremy Crawford's tweet:
If you cast revivify on a zombie, the creature returns as a zombie. The spell doesn't change creature type.
- Jeremy Crawford
You also cannot use Raise Dead on him as Raise Dead also states:
Raise Dead
The spell can't return an undead creature to life.
However, True Resurrection does not appear to have the same limitations as the previously mentioned spells, so you probably can get someone to cast True Resurrection, if you're able to pay.
answered 23 hours ago
daze413
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I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
9
@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
5
This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
2
Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
5
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
|
show 9 more comments
3
I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
9
@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
5
This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
2
Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
5
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
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3
I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
I believe OP's real issue is whether or not a killed undead still counts as undead, or if he's just dead and can therefore be revived. You seem to assume the former - but can you support this view with citations etc.?
– PixelMaster
23 hours ago
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@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
@PixelMaster I think the Jeremy Crawford tweet is the citation you need - he can't be talking about casting revivify on an animated zombie, as he says "the creature returns as a zombie." Instead he seems to be suggesting that after destroying the zombie, the remains are now the remains of a zombie, not the remains of the dead PC, so resurrection would get you the zombie back.
– liamvharris
21 hours ago
5
5
This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
This is one of the worst 'RAW will screw you over' answers that I have ever seen. Not that it is wrong, but that any GM ruling this way would have me looking for another group.
– SeriousBri
21 hours ago
2
2
Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
Tbh I agree, despite my RAW interpretation if I was DMing, I'd allow the OP's idea citing the Rule of Cool!
– liamvharris
19 hours ago
5
5
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
Here is the fun part, and where I think it gets muddy, a corpse is an object and objects don't have creature types.
– Slagmoth
18 hours ago
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Yes, the character can be resurrected.
Source, MM pg. 315 under Zombies, sub-section Dark Servants:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
This is not specific to the spell Resurrection but rather resurrection magic in general. So killing the zombie and bringing the character back to life should be manageable within the rules of most spells so long as they qualify within the bounds of their own restrictions.
However, be careful on timing since the limits on resurrection magic start when the character dies. Animate Dead is not the same as Gentle Repose and does not extend the duration for which you are able to resurrect a dead character/npc. So for instance, Revivify only works if used within a minute of death. Raise Dead within the last 10 days.
answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
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It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
1
@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
6
5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
2
I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
2
I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
19 hours ago
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down vote
Yes, the character can be resurrected.
Source, MM pg. 315 under Zombies, sub-section Dark Servants:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
This is not specific to the spell Resurrection but rather resurrection magic in general. So killing the zombie and bringing the character back to life should be manageable within the rules of most spells so long as they qualify within the bounds of their own restrictions.
However, be careful on timing since the limits on resurrection magic start when the character dies. Animate Dead is not the same as Gentle Repose and does not extend the duration for which you are able to resurrect a dead character/npc. So for instance, Revivify only works if used within a minute of death. Raise Dead within the last 10 days.
answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
22.7k564132
5
It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
1
@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
6
5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
2
I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
2
I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
19 hours ago
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up vote
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up vote
14
down vote
Yes, the character can be resurrected.
Source, MM pg. 315 under Zombies, sub-section Dark Servants:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
This is not specific to the spell Resurrection but rather resurrection magic in general. So killing the zombie and bringing the character back to life should be manageable within the rules of most spells so long as they qualify within the bounds of their own restrictions.
However, be careful on timing since the limits on resurrection magic start when the character dies. Animate Dead is not the same as Gentle Repose and does not extend the duration for which you are able to resurrect a dead character/npc. So for instance, Revivify only works if used within a minute of death. Raise Dead within the last 10 days.
answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
22.7k564132
Yes, the character can be resurrected.
Source, MM pg. 315 under Zombies, sub-section Dark Servants:
Once turned into a zombie, a creature can't be restored to life except by
powerful magic, such as a resurrection spell.
This is not specific to the spell Resurrection but rather resurrection magic in general. So killing the zombie and bringing the character back to life should be manageable within the rules of most spells so long as they qualify within the bounds of their own restrictions.
However, be careful on timing since the limits on resurrection magic start when the character dies. Animate Dead is not the same as Gentle Repose and does not extend the duration for which you are able to resurrect a dead character/npc. So for instance, Revivify only works if used within a minute of death. Raise Dead within the last 10 days.
answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
22.7k564132
edited 15 hours ago
answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
22.7k564132
answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
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answered 21 hours ago
Lino Frank Ciaralli
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It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
1
@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
6
5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
2
I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
2
I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
19 hours ago
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It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
1
@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
6
5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
2
I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
2
I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
19 hours ago
5
5
It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
It's not referring specifically to the resurrection spell; if it were, the name would be in italics. It is referring more generally to resurrection magic in general, without calling out a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
1
1
@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
@V2Blast - You're going to need to source that argument better since it very specifically states: "...such as a resurrection spell." and not, "...such as resurrection magics."
– Lino Frank Ciaralli
20 hours ago
6
6
5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
5e always italicizes actual references to spell names; it's not italicized here, so it's not referring to a specific spell.
– V2Blast
20 hours ago
2
2
I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
I think V2Blast is right on this, also because of the snippet in your last comment; it says "such as a resurrection spell", not "such as the resurrection spell". That said, the quote in your answer does also say "powerful magic", so your overall point still stands, just not on the fact that they said the word "resurrection" to mean literally "the spell".
– NathanS
20 hours ago
2
2
I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
19 hours ago
I mean, the other indicator that it's not referring to the specific spell of that name is calling it "a" resurrection spell rather than "the"... But that's more ambiguous. Anyway, I'll leave it at that. At the very least, the answer should probably note that at best it might refer to the specific spell (which assumes that there is an error in the formatting), not that it does refer specifically to that spell.
– V2Blast
19 hours ago
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