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Layer 2 vs Layer 3 switches
I am a bit confused on when I need and should use a layer 2 or layer 3 switch.
In the corporate network we have Aruba 3810 core switches, and all the access switches are HPE 1950 24/48 PoE+.
We have 7 vlans, IT mgmt, workstations, machines, wlan, wlan-guest, wlan-guest2, VoIP.
Most of the the phones are having connected the computers connected to them (built in switch).
I know about routing capabilities of layer 3 switches.
But...
I don't know what happens if I have a layer 2 switch like Aruba 2530 PoE+ connected, what changes and what do I miss. Only the routing between vlans?
If routing has to be enabled for the vlans/devices that are connected on the 2530 it will be done on the core switches or the 1950s?
Thanks in advance!
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I am a bit confused on when I need and should use a layer 2 or layer 3 switch.
In the corporate network we have Aruba 3810 core switches, and all the access switches are HPE 1950 24/48 PoE+.
We have 7 vlans, IT mgmt, workstations, machines, wlan, wlan-guest, wlan-guest2, VoIP.
Most of the the phones are having connected the computers connected to them (built in switch).
I know about routing capabilities of layer 3 switches.
But...
I don't know what happens if I have a layer 2 switch like Aruba 2530 PoE+ connected, what changes and what do I miss. Only the routing between vlans?
If routing has to be enabled for the vlans/devices that are connected on the 2530 it will be done on the core switches or the 1950s?
Thanks in advance!
switch
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
2
You need to provide what you require from this network design, including the topology and what routing protocols it speaks. Read the manuals to find out what features a given model has, or set up a test lab. FYI, networkengineering.stackexchange.com is a SE entirely about data networking.
– John Mahowald
Dec 31 '18 at 21:50
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I am a bit confused on when I need and should use a layer 2 or layer 3 switch.
In the corporate network we have Aruba 3810 core switches, and all the access switches are HPE 1950 24/48 PoE+.
We have 7 vlans, IT mgmt, workstations, machines, wlan, wlan-guest, wlan-guest2, VoIP.
Most of the the phones are having connected the computers connected to them (built in switch).
I know about routing capabilities of layer 3 switches.
But...
I don't know what happens if I have a layer 2 switch like Aruba 2530 PoE+ connected, what changes and what do I miss. Only the routing between vlans?
If routing has to be enabled for the vlans/devices that are connected on the 2530 it will be done on the core switches or the 1950s?
Thanks in advance!
switch
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
I am a bit confused on when I need and should use a layer 2 or layer 3 switch.
In the corporate network we have Aruba 3810 core switches, and all the access switches are HPE 1950 24/48 PoE+.
We have 7 vlans, IT mgmt, workstations, machines, wlan, wlan-guest, wlan-guest2, VoIP.
Most of the the phones are having connected the computers connected to them (built in switch).
I know about routing capabilities of layer 3 switches.
But...
I don't know what happens if I have a layer 2 switch like Aruba 2530 PoE+ connected, what changes and what do I miss. Only the routing between vlans?
If routing has to be enabled for the vlans/devices that are connected on the 2530 it will be done on the core switches or the 1950s?
Thanks in advance!
switch
switch
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
asked Dec 31 '18 at 21:02
kmdkmd
361
361
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You need to provide what you require from this network design, including the topology and what routing protocols it speaks. Read the manuals to find out what features a given model has, or set up a test lab. FYI, networkengineering.stackexchange.com is a SE entirely about data networking.
– John Mahowald
Dec 31 '18 at 21:50
add a comment |
2
You need to provide what you require from this network design, including the topology and what routing protocols it speaks. Read the manuals to find out what features a given model has, or set up a test lab. FYI, networkengineering.stackexchange.com is a SE entirely about data networking.
– John Mahowald
Dec 31 '18 at 21:50
2
2
You need to provide what you require from this network design, including the topology and what routing protocols it speaks. Read the manuals to find out what features a given model has, or set up a test lab. FYI, networkengineering.stackexchange.com is a SE entirely about data networking.
– John Mahowald
Dec 31 '18 at 21:50
You need to provide what you require from this network design, including the topology and what routing protocols it speaks. Read the manuals to find out what features a given model has, or set up a test lab. FYI, networkengineering.stackexchange.com is a SE entirely about data networking.
– John Mahowald
Dec 31 '18 at 21:50
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A layer-2 switch forwards frames solely based on layer-2 information, ie. the destination MAC address of each frame. Forwarding happens exclusively between ports belonging the same VLAN.
A layer-3 switch has the additional ability to forward layer-3 IP packets based on the destination IP of each packet. This forwarding usually happens between different VLANs.
So, if you need a fast, yet simple router a layer-3 switch often is a good solution. If you don't need a router you can just as well use a layer-2 switch.
If you need to control traffic between VLANs most L3 switches support ACLs to filter unwanted traffic. Note that ACLs are usually stateless (unlike most firewalls), so you need to configure rules for both directions.
Edit: As @yagmoth555 has appropriately pointed out, L3 switches can differ significantly in their routing protocol support. Basic L3 switches often support only static routes or sometimes RIP while more advanced switches also support OSPF and other modern protocols. Additionally, there may be differences in the maximum number of routes that can be configured/learned.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
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A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
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Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
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That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
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A layer-2 switch forwards frames solely based on layer-2 information, ie. the destination MAC address of each frame. Forwarding happens exclusively between ports belonging the same VLAN.
A layer-3 switch has the additional ability to forward layer-3 IP packets based on the destination IP of each packet. This forwarding usually happens between different VLANs.
So, if you need a fast, yet simple router a layer-3 switch often is a good solution. If you don't need a router you can just as well use a layer-2 switch.
If you need to control traffic between VLANs most L3 switches support ACLs to filter unwanted traffic. Note that ACLs are usually stateless (unlike most firewalls), so you need to configure rules for both directions.
Edit: As @yagmoth555 has appropriately pointed out, L3 switches can differ significantly in their routing protocol support. Basic L3 switches often support only static routes or sometimes RIP while more advanced switches also support OSPF and other modern protocols. Additionally, there may be differences in the maximum number of routes that can be configured/learned.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
3,8632415
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A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
2
Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
1
That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
|
show 4 more comments
A layer-2 switch forwards frames solely based on layer-2 information, ie. the destination MAC address of each frame. Forwarding happens exclusively between ports belonging the same VLAN.
A layer-3 switch has the additional ability to forward layer-3 IP packets based on the destination IP of each packet. This forwarding usually happens between different VLANs.
So, if you need a fast, yet simple router a layer-3 switch often is a good solution. If you don't need a router you can just as well use a layer-2 switch.
If you need to control traffic between VLANs most L3 switches support ACLs to filter unwanted traffic. Note that ACLs are usually stateless (unlike most firewalls), so you need to configure rules for both directions.
Edit: As @yagmoth555 has appropriately pointed out, L3 switches can differ significantly in their routing protocol support. Basic L3 switches often support only static routes or sometimes RIP while more advanced switches also support OSPF and other modern protocols. Additionally, there may be differences in the maximum number of routes that can be configured/learned.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
3,8632415
3
A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
2
Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
1
That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
|
show 4 more comments
A layer-2 switch forwards frames solely based on layer-2 information, ie. the destination MAC address of each frame. Forwarding happens exclusively between ports belonging the same VLAN.
A layer-3 switch has the additional ability to forward layer-3 IP packets based on the destination IP of each packet. This forwarding usually happens between different VLANs.
So, if you need a fast, yet simple router a layer-3 switch often is a good solution. If you don't need a router you can just as well use a layer-2 switch.
If you need to control traffic between VLANs most L3 switches support ACLs to filter unwanted traffic. Note that ACLs are usually stateless (unlike most firewalls), so you need to configure rules for both directions.
Edit: As @yagmoth555 has appropriately pointed out, L3 switches can differ significantly in their routing protocol support. Basic L3 switches often support only static routes or sometimes RIP while more advanced switches also support OSPF and other modern protocols. Additionally, there may be differences in the maximum number of routes that can be configured/learned.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
3,8632415
A layer-2 switch forwards frames solely based on layer-2 information, ie. the destination MAC address of each frame. Forwarding happens exclusively between ports belonging the same VLAN.
A layer-3 switch has the additional ability to forward layer-3 IP packets based on the destination IP of each packet. This forwarding usually happens between different VLANs.
So, if you need a fast, yet simple router a layer-3 switch often is a good solution. If you don't need a router you can just as well use a layer-2 switch.
If you need to control traffic between VLANs most L3 switches support ACLs to filter unwanted traffic. Note that ACLs are usually stateless (unlike most firewalls), so you need to configure rules for both directions.
Edit: As @yagmoth555 has appropriately pointed out, L3 switches can differ significantly in their routing protocol support. Basic L3 switches often support only static routes or sometimes RIP while more advanced switches also support OSPF and other modern protocols. Additionally, there may be differences in the maximum number of routes that can be configured/learned.
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
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edited Dec 31 '18 at 23:50
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
3,8632415
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
3,8632415
answered Dec 31 '18 at 22:44
Zac67Zac67
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A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
2
Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
1
That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
|
show 4 more comments
3
A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
2
Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
1
That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
3
3
A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
A side note to your excellent answer, some layer 3 switch can have a limitated stacks to learn dynamic route if you use it as a router, I had to issue command on some cisco to allow it to use more its memory for such task.
– yagmoth555♦
Dec 31 '18 at 22:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
@yagmoth555 Absolutely - I've edit that into the answer.
– Zac67
Dec 31 '18 at 23:52
2
2
Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
Another point is that only one switch needs to be layer 3 routing enabled. Is does not make sense to have this enabled on all switches and therefor one layer 3 core switch does everything - the access switches do not need to be layer 3 capable.
– Andreas Rehm
Jan 1 at 1:05
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
@AndreasRehm That depends on the network design. While a small network often only routes at the core, a large spine-leaf network may also be routed at the distribution layer or even at the access layer.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 11:31
1
1
That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
That all depends on your network design which you haven't given us many details about. It'll be fine with L2 switches unless you require a router in that place.
– Zac67
Jan 1 at 18:06
|
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You need to provide what you require from this network design, including the topology and what routing protocols it speaks. Read the manuals to find out what features a given model has, or set up a test lab. FYI, networkengineering.stackexchange.com is a SE entirely about data networking.
– John Mahowald
Dec 31 '18 at 21:50