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Is it inappropriate to invite all my coworkers except for one person to a private event?
I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
Jan 15 at 22:17
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
Jan 15 at 22:18
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
Jan 16 at 8:19
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
Jan 16 at 9:22
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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Jan 16 at 17:49
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
colleagues relationships
edited Jan 16 at 22:33
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I work in a fairly small department, I have 8 coworkers. 7 of them are great, we're good friends, and I love spending time with them - we hang out outside of work often, but usually in groups of 3-4. The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has to dominate every conversation.
I've recently moved to a new house, and I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party. I know it would be a ton of fun with the coworkers I'm close with, and this guy would absolutely ruin it. Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
Jan 15 at 22:17
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
Jan 15 at 22:18
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
Jan 16 at 8:19
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
Jan 16 at 9:22
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
Jan 16 at 17:49
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
Jan 15 at 22:17
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
Jan 15 at 22:18
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
Jan 16 at 8:19
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
Jan 16 at 9:22
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
Jan 16 at 17:49
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
Jan 15 at 22:17
Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
Jan 15 at 22:17
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
Jan 15 at 22:18
Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
Jan 15 at 22:18
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
Jan 16 at 8:19
"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
Jan 16 at 8:19
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
Jan 16 at 9:22
@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
Jan 16 at 9:22
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
Jan 16 at 17:49
@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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– Jane S♦
Jan 19 at 7:25
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Does this answer implies that it's never rude not to invite anyone because it's a party?
– Alex
Jan 20 at 18:56
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-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
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it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
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@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
– Mike Borkland
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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– Snow♦
Jan 17 at 16:42
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If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
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Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
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"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
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@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
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From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
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@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
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Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
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@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
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A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
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OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
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You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
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Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
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– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
answered Jan 16 at 16:11
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
answered Jan 16 at 16:16
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
answered Jan 18 at 21:02
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This answer adds another point of view, rather than directly opting for invite/no invite. In my opinion, this kind of question is highly subjective but answers can be provided to guide the OP in making his final decision.
The fact is that it is all relative. Thus, the choice can be different depending on the OP's culture and relationship status with the whole group.
Why you should not invite the guy
Because of course that is your house, your rules, and your own freedom to invite whoever you want to your private property.
You never want to feel uncomfortable because of the presence of an unwanted person. You are doing the event to enjoy your time, not because you have been ordered to.
Why it is rude not to invite the guy
First, you may just want to say nothing to the offending employee. Thus, it will be possible that other people will inform him about the event.
Andrew, are you going to Bob's party? I need to borrow a ride.
Huh, what party?
You won't care if someone who harmed you feels offended by not being invited. In fact, we all know people who, despite their blatant wrongs, still feel on the right side and play victims.
It's when the above conversation happens, or when people start to comment about the past event that, that thing might go downhill.
Not inviting Andrew might be seen rude by the other coworkers' standpoint. Bob, why didn't you invite him? might be a question in some environments. Be prepared to it.
Now, it is possible that either the other employees know or not about your precedents with Mr. Andrew. If they do, or at least do know that you are in bad relationship, they may understand. If not, you can look rude because you skipped a friend of your friends.
In conclusion
In general, the choice of inviting or not a single individual to a private event really depends on:
- The OP's ability to keep discretion about it
- Whether the bad relationship is known or unknown to the people surrounding the OP
- The group's attitude towards the invitee, e.g. if he is well liked or not by the group
Choices could be:
- Not to invite the guy
- Give up the party and perhaps invite only friends that do not work with you (all or none approach)
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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– Jane S♦
Jan 19 at 7:25
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Does this answer implies that it's never rude not to invite anyone because it's a party?
– Alex
Jan 20 at 18:56
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-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
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it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
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@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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Does this answer implies that it's never rude not to invite anyone because it's a party?
– Alex
Jan 20 at 18:56
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-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
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it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
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@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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Would it be inappropriate to purposely exclude this guy?
It's your party.
That means you get to invite whomever you like and exclude whomever you choose.
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– Jane S♦
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Does this answer implies that it's never rude not to invite anyone because it's a party?
– Alex
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-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
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it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
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@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
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– Jane S♦
Jan 19 at 7:25
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Does this answer implies that it's never rude not to invite anyone because it's a party?
– Alex
Jan 20 at 18:56
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-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
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it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
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@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
– Mike Borkland
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Does this answer implies that it's never rude not to invite anyone because it's a party?
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-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
-1 on this answer. It's a bit glib and doesn't really address the workplace issue at play.
– dwjohnston
Jan 21 at 0:05
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it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
it's your party, and you can cry if you want to!
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:08
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@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
– Mike Borkland
Jan 26 at 15:49
@colmde "Justified rudeness" is not really rudeness at all, is it?
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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– Snow♦
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If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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– Snow♦
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If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
answered Jan 15 at 22:36
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If you are all peers, it is simply very, very rude. It sounds like you may not care about that, since the person who you want to exclude deserves to be excluded.
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. According to Alison at AskAManager, you are opening yourself up to legitimate charges of favoritism. If you are in HR, that could also be a problem (Another AskAManager link).
If you are all peers, and you want to send a message as well as have a good time, then invite all but the one co-worker.
Lightness Races in Orbit summed this up well in a comment:
It is rude, and potentially awkward, but for good reason and therefore probably an acceptable tradeoff. Because you don't mind being rude to someone that you really, really don't like. But it's semantics really.
Being the only person in an existing delineated group of people excluded from some event, whether you have any right to be there or not, whether it's work related or not, whether you're a d@@k or not, and whether it actually makes you "offended" or not, is rude. That's just a fact. But it doesn't matter because the individual concerned has made his own bed and now he gets to sleep in it :)
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answered Jan 15 at 22:36
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– Snow♦
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If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
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Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat.
– Snow♦
Jan 17 at 16:42
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If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
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– Snow♦
Jan 17 at 16:42
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– Snow♦
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If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
If you are a manager, then it gets problematic, rather than just rude. - I imagine it's only problematic if OP is that person's manager (or manager's manager) specifically. Of course, if you are the manager of someone who has been the subject of multiple HR complaints, behaves offensively, has personally harassed you and your wife, and you are unable to do something about it then you have far bigger problems than a party...
– Tgr
Jan 19 at 22:37
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
Is it technically possible to be rude to a racist?
– PatrickT
Jan 21 at 14:09
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
@PatrickT Of course, you can be rude to Hitler if you want to (and have a time machine). That doesn't mean it's bad to be rude :)
– Luaan
Jan 21 at 16:33
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
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Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
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"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
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@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
13
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
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While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
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"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
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@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
answered Jan 16 at 9:14
SQBSQB
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I'd like to have my work friends over for a dinner party.
You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with. That co-worker is not your friend, so you do not invite him.
You may want to inform the invitees that he has not been invited. By your description, they'll probably be relieved, but at the very least they'll know to keep quiet about the invitation if necessary.
Editing to add:
It may not be necessary to be secretive about it, but there's no need to rub it in, so keeping quiet about it may be enough to avoid unpleasantries.
Be prepared to be forced to have a conversation about it. If so, it's advisable to not accuse his person, but point out his factual behaviour, to avoid discussion.
So not "you're a rapist and a racist and you drink too much", but more along the lines of "3 months ago, you did X and said Y, and on occasion Z, 2 weeks ago, you drank too much and fought the bouncer; that is why I've not invited you because I'm afraid you'll repeat that behaviour."
answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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edited Jan 17 at 9:14
answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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answered Jan 16 at 9:14
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
13
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
3
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
3
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
4
@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
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+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
13
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
3
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
3
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
4
@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
6
6
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
+1 This! Work and private life should be separated - because of such things it is never a good idea to blur the edges.
– rexkogitans
Jan 16 at 12:40
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13
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
Best answer IMO. The answers which suggest it is rude don't seem to be factoring in that we're talking about a party taking place at the OP's house
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:02
3
3
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
While I do agree, I feel inviting 3 of 10 or 100 employees is definitely not rude yet inviting all but one (2 out of 3, 9 out of 10 etc) would still be considered rude. I think OP has good reason regardless, and shouldn't worry about it
– Tas
Jan 16 at 21:35
3
3
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
"You're not inviting your co-workers, you're inviting your friends you happen to work with." This sentence doesn't make any sense. If it did, you could argue that you can f*ck around in the office too ("you're not sleeping with your co-workers, you're sleeping with your lovers you happen to work with") and yet in most offices, this would be frown upon. Actually, the sentence could also be used as a justification by the abuser ("I haven't complimented my co-workers, I've complimented people I feel sexually attracted to who I happen to work with"). The distinction you claim doesn't exist.
– BigMadAndy
Jan 18 at 4:00
4
4
@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
@BigMadAndy i completely disagree with you. Nothing wrong with being lovers with coworkers, so yeah "fucking around" is fine if all parties consent. Also nothing wrong with complimenting or feeling sexually attracted to co-workers. This is not harassment! I'm personally sick and tired that it's becoming a thing that these things are not okay. People are humans with emotions and fall in love or feel attracted to others. This is natural. People are becoming snowflakes. And yes, sexually harassment is an issue, but far too many incidents are being categorised as it.
– Ivo Beckers
Jan 19 at 20:51
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
2
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
2
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
10
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
4
@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
9
A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
2
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
2
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
10
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
4
@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
9
A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
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Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
Yes it could be construed as rude or it could offend the person being excluded, and that possible awkwardness is a risk that you would have to be willing to deal with.
But of course, not inviting him is the right move to make. Him spoiling your party sounds like a far worse outcome.
You just need to prepared for some perhaps passive-aggressive dynamics in the workplace - but I imagine this guy knows why he is being excluded.
The other awkward scenario is that he directly confronts you why he wasn't invited, in which case you can give him an honest and direct answer.
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
edited Jan 18 at 4:34
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
answered Jan 16 at 0:08
dwjohnstondwjohnston
1,332721
1,332721
2
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
2
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
10
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
4
@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
9
A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
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2
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
2
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
10
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
4
@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
9
A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
2
2
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
From reading other comments, there seems to be a significant % of people who find nothing rude about choosing who to invite or not invite to your own house (myself included). It may be useful therefore to expand a little on why you believe it would be rude.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 14:01
2
2
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
@ruakh It's the wrong analogy. In the OP's example we have two distinct but overlapping categories of people. The first is the OP's colleagues and the second is the OP's friends. If the scenario were the OP inviting their colleagues into the office kitchen to have a drink together, then I agree that it would be a snub to leave one person out. However here the OP is inviting their friends to their house - nobody should have any reasonable expectation of automatically being on the OP's list of friends merely because they work together.
– Jon Bentley
Jan 16 at 23:48
10
10
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
Excluding/disinviting abusers is never rude. -1
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:18
4
4
@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
@R..: It's silly to downvote an answer that you otherwise agree with simply because different people define the word "rude" differently.
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:35
9
9
A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
A thing isn't not rude just because the person you're being rude to deserves it.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:20
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
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That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
2714
add a comment |
That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
2714
That depends, how bad is the --
The other guy has sexually harassed me and my wife separately (my wife
doesn't work here), gets really drunk and says racist things, and has
to dominate every conversation.
yeah, come on, you know the answer to this. You don't owe him anything. If I was one of your coworkers, I'd be upset if you invited him. Don't invite him.
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
2714
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
2714
answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
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answered Jan 16 at 20:07
DanielDaniel
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YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
add a comment |
YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
add a comment |
YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
YOUR house, YOUR rules.
You're not forced to invite an unwanted person in your house around your loved ones (probably including children) who has previous records of misbehaving and sexual harrasement in a public place, let alone what he could do in a private and intimate place.
I can argue that inviting him could pose a security threat also, given that most likely alcohol will be around.
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
edited Jan 16 at 12:49
TRiG
154215
154215
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
answered Jan 16 at 8:30
inaliahgleinaliahgle
858614
858614
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
add a comment |
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
OP wasn't asking whether they're forced to do it (obviously not, nobody would think that!), they're asking about the appropriateness (and the implied related questions whether there might be social or legal fallout as a consequence)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:10
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
There is no appropriateness when the co-worker behavior involves sexual harrasement. beside, the answer (as other one as well) try to make it easy for the OP to decide based upon our collective advices. Forcing have multiple ways (physical, emotional, social...), I believe that's why the OP ask the Question.
– inaliahgle
Jan 17 at 14:17
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
Nobody claimed that the co-worker's behaviour was appropriate.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Jan 17 at 14:19
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You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
1,184313
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
add a comment |
You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
1,184313
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
6
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
add a comment |
You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
1,184313
You mention that this person has harassed both you and your wife on separate occasions.
You are having a party for your new house (I imagine your wife will be present), you are inviting some people from work you have a good relation with, and you are wondering if you should invite that one bad person.
I'm not sure your wife will feel comfortable having that person in her house.
She may be upset if she finds out you are even considering inviting that person.
Don't invite him.
Why do you even care whether or not it is appropriate to exclude him?
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
1,184313
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
edited Jan 17 at 21:34
J. Chris Compton
5,0741032
5,0741032
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
1,184313
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
1,184313
answered Jan 16 at 9:07
DominiqueDominique
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
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I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
I agree with your first paragraph but I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by the second "I'm sorry, but I have the impression you're not telling the whole story." From what I can tell, the OP is just looking to make sure there's no workplace repurcussions from not inviting this one guy. That would explain why they've asked it here.
– Philbo
Jan 16 at 9:33
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
@Philbo: you're right. I've adapted my answer accordingly.
– Dominique
Jan 16 at 9:38
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I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
I think this answer would be improved by clearly stating your response to OP's question, rather than merely asking rhetorical questions and leaving people to assume your implied conclusion.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
From OP's other comments, you're entirely off base when you assume he is considering inviting the troublemaker. Perhaps he is considering inviting fewer of his work friends -- or even none of them -- to avoid the "all but one scenario"
– Ben Voigt
Jan 21 at 5:46
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
@BenVoigt: my point exactly: when that one person has harrassed him and his wife, there's nothing wrong with the "all but one" scenario.
– Dominique
Jan 21 at 8:19
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
answered Jan 16 at 17:44
MefiticoMefitico
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
answered Jan 16 at 17:44
MefiticoMefitico
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Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
answered Jan 16 at 17:44
MefiticoMefitico
361110
Telling a personal story, it did happen to me that two coworkers did not invite me for their respective marriages, while inviting most people in the department.
I did nothing about it. I have no quarrel with them, and those are particularly expensive parties, so I respect their right to invite whoever they want. In both cases, other people came to me and asked if I would be attending, to which I provided lame excuses. In both cases I did not confront them, despite I suspecting the invitations had been handed at the workplace while I was in vacation, but I thought of no way to ask about that which would not result in the person believing I wanted to invite myself.
A party at your house could also be a subject of limited attendee's numbers. There's at least a finite number of chairs at your house. It could as well be your wife's party.
In your case, you do have a reason to have issues with said colleague.
My advice is that you should avoid to do this kind of party frequently. One party I'm not invited, I suck it up. If every week there's a party and I'm out, this crosses the border to what I believe I should tolerate.
Then again, if you are not a manager now or in the near future, what could said person do? In my case there was nothing HR could or should do for me. You mention that HR did nothing about the harassment situation, maybe he has actually been adverted verbally or in written in private (as this things should be done), but you were not informed. Would receiving a warning pose a problem to you? If I was your manager, I'd follow the companies policies, but I would think no less of you for a misconduct of this kind.
Consider as well to invite the person out of politeness, If someone I dislike is hosting an event, I'll likely be voluntarily out, maybe I'll show up late and leave early. Seems like your guy would not do this though.
In a different note, remember to maintain friends outside the workplace! I strongly recommend having a social life that does not depend on coworkers. Imagine you get fired, would you be able to keep up attending parties with all the coworkers who are still at the same company? If you became their boss, wouldn't that unbalance the relationships? I'm saying that because if I moved to a new place, I would first throw a party with my non-coworker friends.
answered Jan 16 at 17:44
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answered Jan 16 at 17:44
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answered Jan 16 at 17:44
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answered Jan 16 at 17:44
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
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– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
491
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
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Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
491
Just want to contribute my view. For me excluding one of your co-workers for a party is a bit demeaning. But because of the fact that one of your co-workers act rudely, because of the harassment that you are saying, then it is high time for him to be excluded in such occasions especially that you want it to be a pure fun get-together. Then if he confronts you for such action, then just tell him/her of his rudeness and make him/her realize it.
answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
491
answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
491
answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
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answered Jan 16 at 13:15
user98006user98006
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Jan 16 at 16:14
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:14
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
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Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
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Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
1213
1
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
1
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
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I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
1213
I don't necessarily agree that inviting the colleagues creates an obligation to invite all 8. As a person, I may invite any friends I wish to my parties, and clearly the one colleague is not my friend. The key here is that this party does not become a work event. I can have fun with people, but if I'm making the party about work, then it would not be appropriate to exclude only one work colleague.
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
1213
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
1213
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
1213
answered Jan 16 at 17:41
user45266user45266
1213
1213
1
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
1
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
add a comment |
1
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
1
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
1
1
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
Yeah, just invite some non-work people and it won't be thought of as a "work event"
– Noah Cristino
Jan 16 at 20:31
1
1
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
Even if it were about work, it would be appropriate to exclude this person. They should not be present in the workplace either. They should have been fired a long time ago.
– R..
Jan 17 at 0:21
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
answered Jan 17 at 21:51
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
answered Jan 17 at 21:51
called2voyagecalled2voyage
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There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
answered Jan 17 at 21:51
called2voyagecalled2voyage
204615
There's one potential hole left here by the other answers. If it is a personal party with your friends (whether they are coworkers or not), who you invite is up to you and not a concern of the workplace. However, if the event becomes a venue of discussion related to accomplishing tasks in the workplace, especially if such events recur, it could become an issue of concern to HR. It depends on whether or not the excluded person has a legitimate case to make that their lack of information obstructed their ability to perform their job at the same level as everyone else.
answered Jan 17 at 21:51
called2voyagecalled2voyage
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answered Jan 17 at 21:51
called2voyagecalled2voyage
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answered Jan 17 at 21:51
called2voyagecalled2voyage
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answered Jan 17 at 21:51
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
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– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
1432
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
1
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
1
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
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If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
1432
If I found out I was the only one not being asked to a party, I would definitely be upset (you may not care, but do we want to make it worse?).
But when you mentioned that you get together in groups of 3-4, an idea came to my mind - Plan TWO parties. Invite 3 or 4 of your coworker friends to the first party, and then invite the remaining friends to the second party. You are still excluding the one coworker, but since you aren't inviting everyone to each party it would be less obvious, and more like the get-togethers that are already happening.
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
1432
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
1432
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
1432
answered Jan 16 at 15:31
Eugene StyerEugene Styer
1432
1432
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
1
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
1
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
1
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
1
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
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– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:15
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
I don't see how this helps. Both parties are the same, OP is invited to neither, and everyone would be able to easily figure out that the two parties they were invited to in the same place at the same time are in fact the same party. I don't see the benefit of this compared to just inviting individuals to your party as you normally would. Not being a part of two groups could still make the coworker upset, possibly more so if they figure out it was the same party. Inviting individuals who you get along well with seems like it would be the same; but without having to act like 2 parties.
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:39
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@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
@JMac: Where did you get "in the same place at the same time" from? This answer is literally suggesting having two separate dinner parties, presumably on different days or different weeks. It doesn't have to be the set-up for a sitcom. ;-)
– ruakh
Jan 16 at 22:45
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@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@ruakh Which is obviously still a poor solution that leaves OP having to break up his own party. I get the feeling you were kidding though anyways.
– JMac
Jan 17 at 1:15
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
@JMac: I think you must be confusing me with someone else. (In particular, please note that I did not write this answer.)
– ruakh
Jan 17 at 1:31
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
answered Jan 15 at 22:15
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
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@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
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In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
answered Jan 15 at 22:15
solarflaresolarflare
8,22742045
4
I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
2
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
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If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
answered Jan 15 at 22:15
solarflaresolarflare
8,22742045
If it is not workplace related then you can invite whoever you want.
But if it can somehow be seen as workplace related then this would constitute bullying by exclusion.
To clarify:
If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it or claim any kind of discrimination. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. For example if two people made any kind of decision during this "personal event" it is now a workplace related meeting. And if one person was deliberately excluded from attending for personal reasons by the event organizer who could have had some input or objection to this workplace related decision then you have a clear case of discrimination and bullying.
OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil.
answered Jan 15 at 22:15
solarflaresolarflare
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edited Jan 17 at 22:10
answered Jan 15 at 22:15
solarflaresolarflare
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answered Jan 15 at 22:15
solarflaresolarflare
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answered Jan 15 at 22:15
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
2
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
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I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
2
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
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4
I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
I think you could bolster this answer with some examples of unacceptable exclusions. Perhaps exclusion from a company sports team, or department milestone celebration dinner, that sort of thing might count as improper.
– Booga Roo
Jan 16 at 3:57
3
3
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
@BoogaRoo the example used in training videos here is when you come into the office and you say hi to everyone but deliberately ignore one person, if it is repeated or obvious then it is bullying.
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 4:12
2
2
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
In training examples, bullying is normally in a work-related context, such as not inviting a team member to a working lunch or excluding them from a planning meeting that everyone else attends. It is not about what happens in a personal context, such as inviting work-mates into your home for a house-warming.
– Peter
Jan 16 at 10:20
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter I could see a grey area being when you invite everyone during work hours. The obvious solution would be to call/text/talk to them outside of work to invite them, therefore removing the possibility of making your coworker feel excluded from something work related and therefore "bullied".
– JMac
Jan 16 at 19:42
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
@Peter thats why I said "workplace related". If it is a personal activity then no one can dispute it. However for an external meeting to become a "workplace related activity" all it would take is people to start discussing work, then it becomes a work related meeting. OP is on thin ice with this one, the safest thing to do is invite everyone and be civil. (IMHO)
– solarflare
Jan 16 at 21:41
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
answered Jan 16 at 16:11
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– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:11
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
Jan 17 at 18:15
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
answered Jan 16 at 16:11
Chris BradshawChris Bradshaw
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:11
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
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@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
Jan 17 at 18:15
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
answered Jan 16 at 16:11
Chris BradshawChris Bradshaw
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It is your party, and therefore appropriate to invite only who you want to. If you don't invite him and he confronts you, tell him he was not invited because your wife specifically asked you not to invite him, due to his previous sexual harassment of her.
answered Jan 16 at 16:11
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answered Jan 16 at 16:11
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answered Jan 16 at 16:11
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answered Jan 16 at 16:11
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:11
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
2
@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
Jan 17 at 18:15
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Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:11
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
2
@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
Jan 17 at 18:15
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:11
Welcome to the Workplace! Take the tour if you haven't already.
– V2Blast
Jan 16 at 16:11
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If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
If it were me, and my wife were the reason I wasn't inviting someone, I wouldn't bring her into it. Either take the heat for it or because it is work give another (possibly transparent/flimsy) excuse like "We only had enough chairs for X people."
– J. Chris Compton
Jan 16 at 17:30
2
2
@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@J.ChrisCompton I wouldn't give another excuse. A simple "No, you're not invited" is enough. If pressed for "why?" then "because I don't like you" should suffice. You need not like the people you work with, so long as you can work together (In the end you're there for the employer, not to be friends. Being friends with some colleagues is just a benefit). What you do with whom outside of the workplace is private and, honestly, entirely none of that co-workers business. (btw, +1 for taking the heat instead of shifting the blame/reason)
– rkeet
Jan 17 at 8:50
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
Jan 17 at 18:15
@rkeet That works, but I'd stick to my guns, saying "I did not invite you". If they continue, I wouldn't give a reason like you did; often, the reason inflames the other person (even if it's a legit reason). I wouldn't say I forgot to invite them, I'd say I didn't invite them. That's reason enough.
– user45266
Jan 17 at 18:15
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
answered Jan 16 at 16:16
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
answered Jan 16 at 16:16
MikeyMikey
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
answered Jan 16 at 16:16
MikeyMikey
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(1) Make invitations orally - no e-mail trail unless it is personal e-mails or texts.
(2) Make it explicit who is invited and who is not, but you do not have to justify why or any details, not even about the harassment or anything - that is a separate issue.
Example: "Hi Jane, I'm having a housewarming on XYZ, would you and yours be interested in attending? This is a private event with some other coworkers."
=== The Sexual Harassment is absolutely not related to this question, but I'd advise you to make sure you follow-up on that ===
answered Jan 16 at 16:16
MikeyMikey
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answered Jan 16 at 16:16
MikeyMikey
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
answered Jan 18 at 21:02
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
answered Jan 18 at 21:02
blankipblankip
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Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
answered Jan 18 at 21:02
blankipblankip
20.1k74781
Here is a real answer for you.
You don't invite him. Because of the things he did. It isn't rude in the least. Not at all. Be open if he asks.
It is apparent that this guy has done bad things at work and you have expressed that you do not like him - even if it may not have been directly. In the workplace you will be considered weak if you let this bully go to your party out of niceness. It could even backfire if he does something else wrong - I mean if you know this and he does it at your house with your guests kind of your fault right?
The other thing is it would be really hard for any HR person to take much merit in he said she said sort of stuff if you invite the guy over to your house after the incidents.
So rude? No.
Invite? No.
Be direct with him? Yes.
What does this do for your workplace environment? Makes you look like a take charge leader.
answered Jan 18 at 21:02
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answered Jan 18 at 21:02
blankipblankip
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answered Jan 18 at 21:02
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This answer adds another point of view, rather than directly opting for invite/no invite. In my opinion, this kind of question is highly subjective but answers can be provided to guide the OP in making his final decision.
The fact is that it is all relative. Thus, the choice can be different depending on the OP's culture and relationship status with the whole group.
Why you should not invite the guy
Because of course that is your house, your rules, and your own freedom to invite whoever you want to your private property.
You never want to feel uncomfortable because of the presence of an unwanted person. You are doing the event to enjoy your time, not because you have been ordered to.
Why it is rude not to invite the guy
First, you may just want to say nothing to the offending employee. Thus, it will be possible that other people will inform him about the event.
Andrew, are you going to Bob's party? I need to borrow a ride.
Huh, what party?
You won't care if someone who harmed you feels offended by not being invited. In fact, we all know people who, despite their blatant wrongs, still feel on the right side and play victims.
It's when the above conversation happens, or when people start to comment about the past event that, that thing might go downhill.
Not inviting Andrew might be seen rude by the other coworkers' standpoint. Bob, why didn't you invite him? might be a question in some environments. Be prepared to it.
Now, it is possible that either the other employees know or not about your precedents with Mr. Andrew. If they do, or at least do know that you are in bad relationship, they may understand. If not, you can look rude because you skipped a friend of your friends.
In conclusion
In general, the choice of inviting or not a single individual to a private event really depends on:
- The OP's ability to keep discretion about it
- Whether the bad relationship is known or unknown to the people surrounding the OP
- The group's attitude towards the invitee, e.g. if he is well liked or not by the group
Choices could be:
- Not to invite the guy
- Give up the party and perhaps invite only friends that do not work with you (all or none approach)
answered Jan 21 at 12:54
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This answer adds another point of view, rather than directly opting for invite/no invite. In my opinion, this kind of question is highly subjective but answers can be provided to guide the OP in making his final decision.
The fact is that it is all relative. Thus, the choice can be different depending on the OP's culture and relationship status with the whole group.
Why you should not invite the guy
Because of course that is your house, your rules, and your own freedom to invite whoever you want to your private property.
You never want to feel uncomfortable because of the presence of an unwanted person. You are doing the event to enjoy your time, not because you have been ordered to.
Why it is rude not to invite the guy
First, you may just want to say nothing to the offending employee. Thus, it will be possible that other people will inform him about the event.
Andrew, are you going to Bob's party? I need to borrow a ride.
Huh, what party?
You won't care if someone who harmed you feels offended by not being invited. In fact, we all know people who, despite their blatant wrongs, still feel on the right side and play victims.
It's when the above conversation happens, or when people start to comment about the past event that, that thing might go downhill.
Not inviting Andrew might be seen rude by the other coworkers' standpoint. Bob, why didn't you invite him? might be a question in some environments. Be prepared to it.
Now, it is possible that either the other employees know or not about your precedents with Mr. Andrew. If they do, or at least do know that you are in bad relationship, they may understand. If not, you can look rude because you skipped a friend of your friends.
In conclusion
In general, the choice of inviting or not a single individual to a private event really depends on:
- The OP's ability to keep discretion about it
- Whether the bad relationship is known or unknown to the people surrounding the OP
- The group's attitude towards the invitee, e.g. if he is well liked or not by the group
Choices could be:
- Not to invite the guy
- Give up the party and perhaps invite only friends that do not work with you (all or none approach)
answered Jan 21 at 12:54
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This answer adds another point of view, rather than directly opting for invite/no invite. In my opinion, this kind of question is highly subjective but answers can be provided to guide the OP in making his final decision.
The fact is that it is all relative. Thus, the choice can be different depending on the OP's culture and relationship status with the whole group.
Why you should not invite the guy
Because of course that is your house, your rules, and your own freedom to invite whoever you want to your private property.
You never want to feel uncomfortable because of the presence of an unwanted person. You are doing the event to enjoy your time, not because you have been ordered to.
Why it is rude not to invite the guy
First, you may just want to say nothing to the offending employee. Thus, it will be possible that other people will inform him about the event.
Andrew, are you going to Bob's party? I need to borrow a ride.
Huh, what party?
You won't care if someone who harmed you feels offended by not being invited. In fact, we all know people who, despite their blatant wrongs, still feel on the right side and play victims.
It's when the above conversation happens, or when people start to comment about the past event that, that thing might go downhill.
Not inviting Andrew might be seen rude by the other coworkers' standpoint. Bob, why didn't you invite him? might be a question in some environments. Be prepared to it.
Now, it is possible that either the other employees know or not about your precedents with Mr. Andrew. If they do, or at least do know that you are in bad relationship, they may understand. If not, you can look rude because you skipped a friend of your friends.
In conclusion
In general, the choice of inviting or not a single individual to a private event really depends on:
- The OP's ability to keep discretion about it
- Whether the bad relationship is known or unknown to the people surrounding the OP
- The group's attitude towards the invitee, e.g. if he is well liked or not by the group
Choices could be:
- Not to invite the guy
- Give up the party and perhaps invite only friends that do not work with you (all or none approach)
answered Jan 21 at 12:54
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This answer adds another point of view, rather than directly opting for invite/no invite. In my opinion, this kind of question is highly subjective but answers can be provided to guide the OP in making his final decision.
The fact is that it is all relative. Thus, the choice can be different depending on the OP's culture and relationship status with the whole group.
Why you should not invite the guy
Because of course that is your house, your rules, and your own freedom to invite whoever you want to your private property.
You never want to feel uncomfortable because of the presence of an unwanted person. You are doing the event to enjoy your time, not because you have been ordered to.
Why it is rude not to invite the guy
First, you may just want to say nothing to the offending employee. Thus, it will be possible that other people will inform him about the event.
Andrew, are you going to Bob's party? I need to borrow a ride.
Huh, what party?
You won't care if someone who harmed you feels offended by not being invited. In fact, we all know people who, despite their blatant wrongs, still feel on the right side and play victims.
It's when the above conversation happens, or when people start to comment about the past event that, that thing might go downhill.
Not inviting Andrew might be seen rude by the other coworkers' standpoint. Bob, why didn't you invite him? might be a question in some environments. Be prepared to it.
Now, it is possible that either the other employees know or not about your precedents with Mr. Andrew. If they do, or at least do know that you are in bad relationship, they may understand. If not, you can look rude because you skipped a friend of your friends.
In conclusion
In general, the choice of inviting or not a single individual to a private event really depends on:
- The OP's ability to keep discretion about it
- Whether the bad relationship is known or unknown to the people surrounding the OP
- The group's attitude towards the invitee, e.g. if he is well liked or not by the group
Choices could be:
- Not to invite the guy
- Give up the party and perhaps invite only friends that do not work with you (all or none approach)
answered Jan 21 at 12:54
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Do HR or your boss know about the sexual harassment already? If not, do you have enough documentation (dates, times, details, witnesses if any) to back it up if asked? If HR doesn't know or doesn't believe you, and the guy complains about being excluded, it could be hard to deal with.
– Kevin
Jan 15 at 22:17
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Yes HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened.
– synthesis
Jan 15 at 22:18
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"HR knows, several employees have filed complaints over the past year and nothing's happened" - something will, when someone takes the legal route. HR seem delinquent in their duties here, and it is liable to come back and bite them, and the company.
– Mawg
Jan 16 at 8:19
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@jcmack: I'm not quite following. It's not a work function and therefore it's inappropriate to not invite him? This implies that it would be appropriate to not invite him to work functions? Did you get your wires crossed or am I missing something?
– Flater
Jan 16 at 9:22
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@flater Yeah I mistyped. I meant that since it's a private party (i.e. not work-related), you can invite whomever you chose (i.e. it's appropriate to not invite the rude coworker). Just because we're coworkers it doesn't mean we're friends and that I have to spend my own time with you. I just wouldn't called it a work friends party because it does make you seem cliquey. FYI I'm usually one of the ones not invited to my coworkers' drinking parties and honestly I'm not offended.
– jcmack
Jan 16 at 17:49