Can Present Perfect Continuous and Present Continuous have the same meaning?
According to https://englishsentences.com/present-tense/
b. Present Continuous
The present continuous tense describes actions
and/or events that are currently happening or going on now; in other
words, things that are continuing to happen right now in “real time.”
and
d. Present Perfect Continuous
The present perfect continuous expresses
actions (or events) that we have been doing and are still doing;
things that have been going on and are still going on now.
My question is that, in some situations, can these both tenses represent the same timeline ?
For Example
He is taking the exam for last 2 hours - Present Continuous ???
He has been taking that exam for at least 2 hours - Present Perfect Continuous.
Don't the above two sentences tell us the same thing ? Or is the 1st sentence grammatically incorrect ?
What am I missing ?
Thanks.
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According to https://englishsentences.com/present-tense/
b. Present Continuous
The present continuous tense describes actions
and/or events that are currently happening or going on now; in other
words, things that are continuing to happen right now in “real time.”
and
d. Present Perfect Continuous
The present perfect continuous expresses
actions (or events) that we have been doing and are still doing;
things that have been going on and are still going on now.
My question is that, in some situations, can these both tenses represent the same timeline ?
For Example
He is taking the exam for last 2 hours - Present Continuous ???
He has been taking that exam for at least 2 hours - Present Perfect Continuous.
Don't the above two sentences tell us the same thing ? Or is the 1st sentence grammatically incorrect ?
What am I missing ?
Thanks.
present-tense present-continuous present-perfect-progressive
add a comment |
According to https://englishsentences.com/present-tense/
b. Present Continuous
The present continuous tense describes actions
and/or events that are currently happening or going on now; in other
words, things that are continuing to happen right now in “real time.”
and
d. Present Perfect Continuous
The present perfect continuous expresses
actions (or events) that we have been doing and are still doing;
things that have been going on and are still going on now.
My question is that, in some situations, can these both tenses represent the same timeline ?
For Example
He is taking the exam for last 2 hours - Present Continuous ???
He has been taking that exam for at least 2 hours - Present Perfect Continuous.
Don't the above two sentences tell us the same thing ? Or is the 1st sentence grammatically incorrect ?
What am I missing ?
Thanks.
present-tense present-continuous present-perfect-progressive
According to https://englishsentences.com/present-tense/
b. Present Continuous
The present continuous tense describes actions
and/or events that are currently happening or going on now; in other
words, things that are continuing to happen right now in “real time.”
and
d. Present Perfect Continuous
The present perfect continuous expresses
actions (or events) that we have been doing and are still doing;
things that have been going on and are still going on now.
My question is that, in some situations, can these both tenses represent the same timeline ?
For Example
He is taking the exam for last 2 hours - Present Continuous ???
He has been taking that exam for at least 2 hours - Present Perfect Continuous.
Don't the above two sentences tell us the same thing ? Or is the 1st sentence grammatically incorrect ?
What am I missing ?
Thanks.
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Q: Can Present Perfect Continuous and Present Continuous have the same meaning?
Yes, there are often times when there is very little difference between the two, and they pretty much mean the same thing. However, your example is not a very good one.
Native speakers would not say:
He is taking the exam for the last 2 hours.
The problem with that sentence is the time reference back toward the past. We don’t use the present continuous is a context like that. Although we might say:
He is taking the exam for the next 2 hours.
to mean that he will be busy for the next two hours taking the exam.
However, we could say:
He is taking the exam in that room.
And also say:
He has been taking the exam in that room.
and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing. However, the first one could be interpreted in a couple different ways. It could mean:
He is (currently) taking the exam in that room (right now).
but it could also mean:
When it’s time for him to take the exam, he’ll be taking the exam in that room.
The specific meaning would usually be apparent based on the context. For example, am I answering the question:
What is he doing at the moment? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
or did I answer the question:
Where will he take the exam? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
although in the latter case, I think many might be inclined to say one of these instead:
He will take the exam in that room.
He is to take the exam in that room.
The EF website has an interesting note about this:
USING THE PRESENT CONTINUOUS TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE
The present continuous is used to talk about arrangements for events at a time later than now. There is a suggestion that more than one person is aware of the event, and that some preparation has already happened.
For example:
I am leaving tomorrow. = I've already bought my train ticket.
However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
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I'd like to add that both tenses can be used to express a temporary or new habit, for example:
I have been eating a lot of cakes recently, or I am eating a lot of cakes presently. This means that at the moment (not necessarily now, but these last weeks) I have been eating a lot of cake, which I don't do usually. Maybe I am practicing my baking skills.
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Q: Can Present Perfect Continuous and Present Continuous have the same meaning?
Yes, there are often times when there is very little difference between the two, and they pretty much mean the same thing. However, your example is not a very good one.
Native speakers would not say:
He is taking the exam for the last 2 hours.
The problem with that sentence is the time reference back toward the past. We don’t use the present continuous is a context like that. Although we might say:
He is taking the exam for the next 2 hours.
to mean that he will be busy for the next two hours taking the exam.
However, we could say:
He is taking the exam in that room.
And also say:
He has been taking the exam in that room.
and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing. However, the first one could be interpreted in a couple different ways. It could mean:
He is (currently) taking the exam in that room (right now).
but it could also mean:
When it’s time for him to take the exam, he’ll be taking the exam in that room.
The specific meaning would usually be apparent based on the context. For example, am I answering the question:
What is he doing at the moment? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
or did I answer the question:
Where will he take the exam? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
although in the latter case, I think many might be inclined to say one of these instead:
He will take the exam in that room.
He is to take the exam in that room.
The EF website has an interesting note about this:
USING THE PRESENT CONTINUOUS TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE
The present continuous is used to talk about arrangements for events at a time later than now. There is a suggestion that more than one person is aware of the event, and that some preparation has already happened.
For example:
I am leaving tomorrow. = I've already bought my train ticket.
However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
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Q: Can Present Perfect Continuous and Present Continuous have the same meaning?
Yes, there are often times when there is very little difference between the two, and they pretty much mean the same thing. However, your example is not a very good one.
Native speakers would not say:
He is taking the exam for the last 2 hours.
The problem with that sentence is the time reference back toward the past. We don’t use the present continuous is a context like that. Although we might say:
He is taking the exam for the next 2 hours.
to mean that he will be busy for the next two hours taking the exam.
However, we could say:
He is taking the exam in that room.
And also say:
He has been taking the exam in that room.
and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing. However, the first one could be interpreted in a couple different ways. It could mean:
He is (currently) taking the exam in that room (right now).
but it could also mean:
When it’s time for him to take the exam, he’ll be taking the exam in that room.
The specific meaning would usually be apparent based on the context. For example, am I answering the question:
What is he doing at the moment? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
or did I answer the question:
Where will he take the exam? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
although in the latter case, I think many might be inclined to say one of these instead:
He will take the exam in that room.
He is to take the exam in that room.
The EF website has an interesting note about this:
USING THE PRESENT CONTINUOUS TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE
The present continuous is used to talk about arrangements for events at a time later than now. There is a suggestion that more than one person is aware of the event, and that some preparation has already happened.
For example:
I am leaving tomorrow. = I've already bought my train ticket.
However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
|
show 1 more comment
Q: Can Present Perfect Continuous and Present Continuous have the same meaning?
Yes, there are often times when there is very little difference between the two, and they pretty much mean the same thing. However, your example is not a very good one.
Native speakers would not say:
He is taking the exam for the last 2 hours.
The problem with that sentence is the time reference back toward the past. We don’t use the present continuous is a context like that. Although we might say:
He is taking the exam for the next 2 hours.
to mean that he will be busy for the next two hours taking the exam.
However, we could say:
He is taking the exam in that room.
And also say:
He has been taking the exam in that room.
and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing. However, the first one could be interpreted in a couple different ways. It could mean:
He is (currently) taking the exam in that room (right now).
but it could also mean:
When it’s time for him to take the exam, he’ll be taking the exam in that room.
The specific meaning would usually be apparent based on the context. For example, am I answering the question:
What is he doing at the moment? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
or did I answer the question:
Where will he take the exam? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
although in the latter case, I think many might be inclined to say one of these instead:
He will take the exam in that room.
He is to take the exam in that room.
The EF website has an interesting note about this:
USING THE PRESENT CONTINUOUS TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE
The present continuous is used to talk about arrangements for events at a time later than now. There is a suggestion that more than one person is aware of the event, and that some preparation has already happened.
For example:
I am leaving tomorrow. = I've already bought my train ticket.
Q: Can Present Perfect Continuous and Present Continuous have the same meaning?
Yes, there are often times when there is very little difference between the two, and they pretty much mean the same thing. However, your example is not a very good one.
Native speakers would not say:
He is taking the exam for the last 2 hours.
The problem with that sentence is the time reference back toward the past. We don’t use the present continuous is a context like that. Although we might say:
He is taking the exam for the next 2 hours.
to mean that he will be busy for the next two hours taking the exam.
However, we could say:
He is taking the exam in that room.
And also say:
He has been taking the exam in that room.
and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing. However, the first one could be interpreted in a couple different ways. It could mean:
He is (currently) taking the exam in that room (right now).
but it could also mean:
When it’s time for him to take the exam, he’ll be taking the exam in that room.
The specific meaning would usually be apparent based on the context. For example, am I answering the question:
What is he doing at the moment? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
or did I answer the question:
Where will he take the exam? (He is taking the exam in that room.)
although in the latter case, I think many might be inclined to say one of these instead:
He will take the exam in that room.
He is to take the exam in that room.
The EF website has an interesting note about this:
USING THE PRESENT CONTINUOUS TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE
The present continuous is used to talk about arrangements for events at a time later than now. There is a suggestion that more than one person is aware of the event, and that some preparation has already happened.
For example:
I am leaving tomorrow. = I've already bought my train ticket.
edited Jan 5 at 13:39
answered Jan 5 at 13:30
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However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
|
show 1 more comment
However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
However, we could say: "He is taking the exam in that room." And also say: "He has been taking the exam in that room." and those two sentences pretty much mean the same thing.???? Hi J.R., I don't understand how those could mean the same thing (although they could both be true at the same time - so could I eat fish and I eat chocolate). More importantly, Happy New Year!
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 1:37
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
@Araucaria - Suppose Bob went into a testing room at noon. Bob is still in there an hour later when you come by and ask, “Where’s Bob?” I think I could answer with either of those two sentences, and they pretty much mean the same thing (although one emphasizes Bob’s current state – in the room, taking the exam – while the other implies that he has been in there for some length of tine). But, no matter which way I say it, Bob is still toiling away in the room, working on his exam. P.S. A better analogy would be I am eating fish and I have been eating fish – both mean you’re eating fish.
– J.R.♦
Jan 6 at 14:01
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
Erm, ... No! I have been eating fish in no way means that you are curently eating fish even though you may (or may not be). This is the same as I am eating fish does not mean I am eating chips even though you may (or may not) be!.
– Araucaria
Jan 6 at 23:25
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
@Araucaria - I suppose you might say, "I have been eating fish" if you are all done and wiping your chin with a napkin. But I think it's more likely that you're still eating the fish. If you finished the fish an hour ago, you'd probably say, "I was eating fish". But I get your point. "He has been taking the exam in that room" could mean he's still in there taking the test, or it could mean he's wrapping it up. It would be more accurate to say they have "overlapping meanings" that to say "they mean the same thing."
– J.R.♦
Jan 7 at 10:03
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
Q: "Why does your breath smell?" A: "I've been eatig fish". Doctor: "Looking at your blood results, you haven't been sticking to your diet". Patient: "Well, I don't know about that, Doc. I've been eating fish" Or "I've been eating fish all my life". None of those suggest that the speaker is eating fish at all, do they?
– Araucaria
Jan 7 at 20:42
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I'd like to add that both tenses can be used to express a temporary or new habit, for example:
I have been eating a lot of cakes recently, or I am eating a lot of cakes presently. This means that at the moment (not necessarily now, but these last weeks) I have been eating a lot of cake, which I don't do usually. Maybe I am practicing my baking skills.
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I'd like to add that both tenses can be used to express a temporary or new habit, for example:
I have been eating a lot of cakes recently, or I am eating a lot of cakes presently. This means that at the moment (not necessarily now, but these last weeks) I have been eating a lot of cake, which I don't do usually. Maybe I am practicing my baking skills.
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I'd like to add that both tenses can be used to express a temporary or new habit, for example:
I have been eating a lot of cakes recently, or I am eating a lot of cakes presently. This means that at the moment (not necessarily now, but these last weeks) I have been eating a lot of cake, which I don't do usually. Maybe I am practicing my baking skills.
I'd like to add that both tenses can be used to express a temporary or new habit, for example:
I have been eating a lot of cakes recently, or I am eating a lot of cakes presently. This means that at the moment (not necessarily now, but these last weeks) I have been eating a lot of cake, which I don't do usually. Maybe I am practicing my baking skills.
answered Jan 5 at 13:41
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