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What is the black slag formed when sterling silver is melted with borax? [Edited with images]
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What is the black graphite looking slag that is formed when sterling silver is melted with borax? Is there a way to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver? It appears to be indestructible!
[Edit] Here are some images and here is some more information.
The melting is related to jewelry casting. All melting was done in an electric Ney muffle furnace. Here is a melting dish with some half-melted buttons of sterling silver.
I can't remember why I didn't completely melt this. I assume the green is salts of copper from the sterling silver. Notice how the black slag erodes the walls of the melting dish.
Here is a closeup of the erosion.
This erosion property ate through the bottom of my furnace! UGGG! It'll be $600 to replace the muffle. I heated to 1,900 Fahrenheit for about one hour and this is what I saw when I opened the furnace to get the crucible with the molten sterling silver, but with glowing white-orange light.
Here I have the crucible laying on its side next to the hole.
Here is a close up of the hole and in one of the images I'm lighting it up with a flashlight. I'd say it's about 1.5 inches in diameter and 1.5 inches deep. There are 2.25 Ozt of sterling silver down in the hole somewhere because the eroding black slag ate holes through the wall of my crucible.
A closeup of the erosion in front of the main hole. These two erosion spots were from the previous melt cycle with the same crucible. I saw that the black slag was penetrating the crucible but I figure it was just minute capillary action and it'd be ok. Notice that the black slag seems to be working like a catalytic reaction because the amount of borax in the crucible is only about the volume of one grain of white rice. These two depressions were not depressions at the end of the previous melt cycle they were just flat black areas of the same size and shape.
Here is a view on the outside of the crucible. I assume one of those holes is where the silver leaked out.
A view inside the crucible. In person, the black slag has a metallic sheen to it. It is very similar to the dark grey metallic sheen of graphite.
What is this black slag? Let me know before it eats a hole through the earth! HAHAHA! :D
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James William Kincaid IIIJames William Kincaid III
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What is the black graphite looking slag that is formed when sterling silver is melted with borax? Is there a way to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver? It appears to be indestructible!
[Edit] Here are some images and here is some more information.
The melting is related to jewelry casting. All melting was done in an electric Ney muffle furnace. Here is a melting dish with some half-melted buttons of sterling silver.
I can't remember why I didn't completely melt this. I assume the green is salts of copper from the sterling silver. Notice how the black slag erodes the walls of the melting dish.
Here is a closeup of the erosion.
This erosion property ate through the bottom of my furnace! UGGG! It'll be $600 to replace the muffle. I heated to 1,900 Fahrenheit for about one hour and this is what I saw when I opened the furnace to get the crucible with the molten sterling silver, but with glowing white-orange light.
Here I have the crucible laying on its side next to the hole.
Here is a close up of the hole and in one of the images I'm lighting it up with a flashlight. I'd say it's about 1.5 inches in diameter and 1.5 inches deep. There are 2.25 Ozt of sterling silver down in the hole somewhere because the eroding black slag ate holes through the wall of my crucible.
A closeup of the erosion in front of the main hole. These two erosion spots were from the previous melt cycle with the same crucible. I saw that the black slag was penetrating the crucible but I figure it was just minute capillary action and it'd be ok. Notice that the black slag seems to be working like a catalytic reaction because the amount of borax in the crucible is only about the volume of one grain of white rice. These two depressions were not depressions at the end of the previous melt cycle they were just flat black areas of the same size and shape.
Here is a view on the outside of the crucible. I assume one of those holes is where the silver leaked out.
A view inside the crucible. In person, the black slag has a metallic sheen to it. It is very similar to the dark grey metallic sheen of graphite.
What is this black slag? Let me know before it eats a hole through the earth! HAHAHA! :D
metal metallurgy
asked Jan 2 at 10:10
James William Kincaid IIIJames William Kincaid III
242
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A photo could be useful, but in general I think there is not much you can do. Borax is a great flux and is most likely reacted with copper (and other metals) from Sterling alloy.
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– andselisk
Jan 2 at 11:04
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Thanks for your comment. I added some images.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:21
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What is the black graphite looking slag that is formed when sterling silver is melted with borax? Is there a way to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver? It appears to be indestructible!
[Edit] Here are some images and here is some more information.
The melting is related to jewelry casting. All melting was done in an electric Ney muffle furnace. Here is a melting dish with some half-melted buttons of sterling silver.
I can't remember why I didn't completely melt this. I assume the green is salts of copper from the sterling silver. Notice how the black slag erodes the walls of the melting dish.
Here is a closeup of the erosion.
This erosion property ate through the bottom of my furnace! UGGG! It'll be $600 to replace the muffle. I heated to 1,900 Fahrenheit for about one hour and this is what I saw when I opened the furnace to get the crucible with the molten sterling silver, but with glowing white-orange light.
Here I have the crucible laying on its side next to the hole.
Here is a close up of the hole and in one of the images I'm lighting it up with a flashlight. I'd say it's about 1.5 inches in diameter and 1.5 inches deep. There are 2.25 Ozt of sterling silver down in the hole somewhere because the eroding black slag ate holes through the wall of my crucible.
A closeup of the erosion in front of the main hole. These two erosion spots were from the previous melt cycle with the same crucible. I saw that the black slag was penetrating the crucible but I figure it was just minute capillary action and it'd be ok. Notice that the black slag seems to be working like a catalytic reaction because the amount of borax in the crucible is only about the volume of one grain of white rice. These two depressions were not depressions at the end of the previous melt cycle they were just flat black areas of the same size and shape.
Here is a view on the outside of the crucible. I assume one of those holes is where the silver leaked out.
A view inside the crucible. In person, the black slag has a metallic sheen to it. It is very similar to the dark grey metallic sheen of graphite.
What is this black slag? Let me know before it eats a hole through the earth! HAHAHA! :D
metal metallurgy
asked Jan 2 at 10:10
James William Kincaid IIIJames William Kincaid III
242
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What is the black graphite looking slag that is formed when sterling silver is melted with borax? Is there a way to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver? It appears to be indestructible!
[Edit] Here are some images and here is some more information.
The melting is related to jewelry casting. All melting was done in an electric Ney muffle furnace. Here is a melting dish with some half-melted buttons of sterling silver.
I can't remember why I didn't completely melt this. I assume the green is salts of copper from the sterling silver. Notice how the black slag erodes the walls of the melting dish.
Here is a closeup of the erosion.
This erosion property ate through the bottom of my furnace! UGGG! It'll be $600 to replace the muffle. I heated to 1,900 Fahrenheit for about one hour and this is what I saw when I opened the furnace to get the crucible with the molten sterling silver, but with glowing white-orange light.
Here I have the crucible laying on its side next to the hole.
Here is a close up of the hole and in one of the images I'm lighting it up with a flashlight. I'd say it's about 1.5 inches in diameter and 1.5 inches deep. There are 2.25 Ozt of sterling silver down in the hole somewhere because the eroding black slag ate holes through the wall of my crucible.
A closeup of the erosion in front of the main hole. These two erosion spots were from the previous melt cycle with the same crucible. I saw that the black slag was penetrating the crucible but I figure it was just minute capillary action and it'd be ok. Notice that the black slag seems to be working like a catalytic reaction because the amount of borax in the crucible is only about the volume of one grain of white rice. These two depressions were not depressions at the end of the previous melt cycle they were just flat black areas of the same size and shape.
Here is a view on the outside of the crucible. I assume one of those holes is where the silver leaked out.
A view inside the crucible. In person, the black slag has a metallic sheen to it. It is very similar to the dark grey metallic sheen of graphite.
What is this black slag? Let me know before it eats a hole through the earth! HAHAHA! :D
metal metallurgy
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asked Jan 2 at 10:10
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asked Jan 2 at 10:10
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A photo could be useful, but in general I think there is not much you can do. Borax is a great flux and is most likely reacted with copper (and other metals) from Sterling alloy.
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– andselisk
Jan 2 at 11:04
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Thanks for your comment. I added some images.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:21
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A photo could be useful, but in general I think there is not much you can do. Borax is a great flux and is most likely reacted with copper (and other metals) from Sterling alloy.
$endgroup$
– andselisk
Jan 2 at 11:04
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Thanks for your comment. I added some images.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:21
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A photo could be useful, but in general I think there is not much you can do. Borax is a great flux and is most likely reacted with copper (and other metals) from Sterling alloy.
$endgroup$
– andselisk
Jan 2 at 11:04
$begingroup$
A photo could be useful, but in general I think there is not much you can do. Borax is a great flux and is most likely reacted with copper (and other metals) from Sterling alloy.
$endgroup$
– andselisk
Jan 2 at 11:04
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Thanks for your comment. I added some images.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:21
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Thanks for your comment. I added some images.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:21
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"Indestructible" by what means exactly? How did you try to "destroy" it? Provided that sterling alloy is an alloy of silver and copper, the first guess is that your slag is primarily a copper (II) oxide. Depending on the actual composition of the alloy, it may contain other 3d-metal oxides. The formation of borates (not of silver, but of less noble metals) cannot be excluded, for borax is frequently used as a constituent of the high-temperature fluxes for spectroscopic and calorimetric applications. To what extent the borates are formed depends on the temperature and duration of your melting experiment.
You should be able to dissolve your slug in a boiling mineral acid of your choice. Personally, I'd try the $ce{HCl}$ solution, or $ce{HNO3}$ if you do not care that silver dissolves as well.
The following may be irrelevant to the question asked, but, based on my experience and some textbooks, people first try to purify silver and then melt the pure metal, not the other way around. The methods of purification are aplenty, but most of them are based on dissolving the silver-containing alloy in $ce{HNO3}$. Then $ce{AgNO3}$ can be transformed into $ce{AgCl}$, which, in turn, can be reduced by metallic zinc in acidic environment or formaldehyde - in basic.
answered Jan 2 at 13:44
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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"Indestructible" by what means exactly? How did you try to "destroy" it? Provided that sterling alloy is an alloy of silver and copper, the first guess is that your slag is primarily a copper (II) oxide. Depending on the actual composition of the alloy, it may contain other 3d-metal oxides. The formation of borates (not of silver, but of less noble metals) cannot be excluded, for borax is frequently used as a constituent of the high-temperature fluxes for spectroscopic and calorimetric applications. To what extent the borates are formed depends on the temperature and duration of your melting experiment.
You should be able to dissolve your slug in a boiling mineral acid of your choice. Personally, I'd try the $ce{HCl}$ solution, or $ce{HNO3}$ if you do not care that silver dissolves as well.
The following may be irrelevant to the question asked, but, based on my experience and some textbooks, people first try to purify silver and then melt the pure metal, not the other way around. The methods of purification are aplenty, but most of them are based on dissolving the silver-containing alloy in $ce{HNO3}$. Then $ce{AgNO3}$ can be transformed into $ce{AgCl}$, which, in turn, can be reduced by metallic zinc in acidic environment or formaldehyde - in basic.
answered Jan 2 at 13:44
voffchvoffch
4955
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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– James William Kincaid III
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$begingroup$
"Indestructible" by what means exactly? How did you try to "destroy" it? Provided that sterling alloy is an alloy of silver and copper, the first guess is that your slag is primarily a copper (II) oxide. Depending on the actual composition of the alloy, it may contain other 3d-metal oxides. The formation of borates (not of silver, but of less noble metals) cannot be excluded, for borax is frequently used as a constituent of the high-temperature fluxes for spectroscopic and calorimetric applications. To what extent the borates are formed depends on the temperature and duration of your melting experiment.
You should be able to dissolve your slug in a boiling mineral acid of your choice. Personally, I'd try the $ce{HCl}$ solution, or $ce{HNO3}$ if you do not care that silver dissolves as well.
The following may be irrelevant to the question asked, but, based on my experience and some textbooks, people first try to purify silver and then melt the pure metal, not the other way around. The methods of purification are aplenty, but most of them are based on dissolving the silver-containing alloy in $ce{HNO3}$. Then $ce{AgNO3}$ can be transformed into $ce{AgCl}$, which, in turn, can be reduced by metallic zinc in acidic environment or formaldehyde - in basic.
answered Jan 2 at 13:44
voffchvoffch
4955
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:35
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"Indestructible" by what means exactly? How did you try to "destroy" it? Provided that sterling alloy is an alloy of silver and copper, the first guess is that your slag is primarily a copper (II) oxide. Depending on the actual composition of the alloy, it may contain other 3d-metal oxides. The formation of borates (not of silver, but of less noble metals) cannot be excluded, for borax is frequently used as a constituent of the high-temperature fluxes for spectroscopic and calorimetric applications. To what extent the borates are formed depends on the temperature and duration of your melting experiment.
You should be able to dissolve your slug in a boiling mineral acid of your choice. Personally, I'd try the $ce{HCl}$ solution, or $ce{HNO3}$ if you do not care that silver dissolves as well.
The following may be irrelevant to the question asked, but, based on my experience and some textbooks, people first try to purify silver and then melt the pure metal, not the other way around. The methods of purification are aplenty, but most of them are based on dissolving the silver-containing alloy in $ce{HNO3}$. Then $ce{AgNO3}$ can be transformed into $ce{AgCl}$, which, in turn, can be reduced by metallic zinc in acidic environment or formaldehyde - in basic.
answered Jan 2 at 13:44
voffchvoffch
4955
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"Indestructible" by what means exactly? How did you try to "destroy" it? Provided that sterling alloy is an alloy of silver and copper, the first guess is that your slag is primarily a copper (II) oxide. Depending on the actual composition of the alloy, it may contain other 3d-metal oxides. The formation of borates (not of silver, but of less noble metals) cannot be excluded, for borax is frequently used as a constituent of the high-temperature fluxes for spectroscopic and calorimetric applications. To what extent the borates are formed depends on the temperature and duration of your melting experiment.
You should be able to dissolve your slug in a boiling mineral acid of your choice. Personally, I'd try the $ce{HCl}$ solution, or $ce{HNO3}$ if you do not care that silver dissolves as well.
The following may be irrelevant to the question asked, but, based on my experience and some textbooks, people first try to purify silver and then melt the pure metal, not the other way around. The methods of purification are aplenty, but most of them are based on dissolving the silver-containing alloy in $ce{HNO3}$. Then $ce{AgNO3}$ can be transformed into $ce{AgCl}$, which, in turn, can be reduced by metallic zinc in acidic environment or formaldehyde - in basic.
answered Jan 2 at 13:44
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answered Jan 2 at 13:44
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answered Jan 2 at 13:44
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answered Jan 2 at 13:44
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:35
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:35
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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– James William Kincaid III
Jan 11 at 5:35
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See images and new information concerning how the black slag has erosive properties to refractory materials. Indestructible in that heating it to a very high degree with a propane-oxygen torch causes it just glow with a white light similar to how carbon behaves. Also, soaking for hours in room temperature 10% solution hydrochloric acid or sodium bisulfate seems to only turn it to a powder conglomeration that needs to be brushed vigorously to remove it from the surface of the sterling silver.
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