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Can I stop previously cast spells from affecting me by moving into a Globe of Invulnerability?
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If I have spell effects on me (say, haste and bless cast by other casters) and move into the radius of a globe of invulnerability, do those spell effects stop affecting me?
Globe of invulnerability says:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't
affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using
a higher level spell slot.
Since both spells were cast outside of the sphere and are 5th level or lower, they should count. And I would now be a creature inside the sphere. Would the spells stop affecting me? If so, would they start affecting me once I left the globe?
The reason I ask is that my original reading of this spell was that it only prevented creatures being affected if they were in the globe while the spell was being cast, but now I can't see any support for that. Am I missing something?
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If I have spell effects on me (say, haste and bless cast by other casters) and move into the radius of a globe of invulnerability, do those spell effects stop affecting me?
Globe of invulnerability says:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't
affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using
a higher level spell slot.
Since both spells were cast outside of the sphere and are 5th level or lower, they should count. And I would now be a creature inside the sphere. Would the spells stop affecting me? If so, would they start affecting me once I left the globe?
The reason I ask is that my original reading of this spell was that it only prevented creatures being affected if they were in the globe while the spell was being cast, but now I can't see any support for that. Am I missing something?
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Inspired by and loosely related: Does a Globe of Invulnerability protect against the Magic Weapon spell?. Also related: Globe of invulnerability vs non-magical effects of spells
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 16:42
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If I have spell effects on me (say, haste and bless cast by other casters) and move into the radius of a globe of invulnerability, do those spell effects stop affecting me?
Globe of invulnerability says:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't
affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using
a higher level spell slot.
Since both spells were cast outside of the sphere and are 5th level or lower, they should count. And I would now be a creature inside the sphere. Would the spells stop affecting me? If so, would they start affecting me once I left the globe?
The reason I ask is that my original reading of this spell was that it only prevented creatures being affected if they were in the globe while the spell was being cast, but now I can't see any support for that. Am I missing something?
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edited Jan 5 at 0:47
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If I have spell effects on me (say, haste and bless cast by other casters) and move into the radius of a globe of invulnerability, do those spell effects stop affecting me?
Globe of invulnerability says:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't
affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using
a higher level spell slot.
Since both spells were cast outside of the sphere and are 5th level or lower, they should count. And I would now be a creature inside the sphere. Would the spells stop affecting me? If so, would they start affecting me once I left the globe?
The reason I ask is that my original reading of this spell was that it only prevented creatures being affected if they were in the globe while the spell was being cast, but now I can't see any support for that. Am I missing something?
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Inspired by and loosely related: Does a Globe of Invulnerability protect against the Magic Weapon spell?. Also related: Globe of invulnerability vs non-magical effects of spells
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– Rubiksmoose
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Inspired by and loosely related: Does a Globe of Invulnerability protect against the Magic Weapon spell?. Also related: Globe of invulnerability vs non-magical effects of spells
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– Rubiksmoose
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Inspired by and loosely related: Does a Globe of Invulnerability protect against the Magic Weapon spell?. Also related: Globe of invulnerability vs non-magical effects of spells
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 16:42
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Inspired by and loosely related: Does a Globe of Invulnerability protect against the Magic Weapon spell?. Also related: Globe of invulnerability vs non-magical effects of spells
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Slightly Ambiguous, But Previously Cast Spells Probably Still Work
The crux of the matter here is that the word "cast" typically is the same in the past and present tense. As such, the precise wording of globe of invulnerability stopping spells "cast from outside the barrier" could intend to refer to past, present, both, or exclusively one (for example, only spells cast before the globe existed), and it would have exactly the same grammatical structure.
We have guidance, however, in the other sentences of the spell's description. We are told (PHB, p. 245, bold added):
Such a spell can target creatures and objects within the barrier, but the spell has no effect on them.
This sentence uses terms exclusively in the present tense. It doesn't say that the spell can "have targeted" creatures (indicating that they targeted them in the past and are still targeting them), but rather speaks of only spells that are now attempting to target a creature once the globe of invulnerability is in effect. As such, it is likely that both the intended timing of the targeting and being affected are the same: meaning the globe of invulnerability blocks spells against something inside the globe when the other spells are cast.
The other interpretation leads to madness
The grammatical ambiguity permits people to interpret this spell as they wish. But keep in mind that many complex cases could arise if globe of invulnerability blocked previously cast spells. For example, let's say a wizard casts mirror image on themselves, then moves 20 feet and (in the next round) casts globe of invulnerability. Was the spell mirror image cast from outside the globe or not? Such a question is needlessly open to interpretation (can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? Since the globe appears around you, is the source of mirror image you, or your previous location?), but would not even come up if the globe only blocks subsequent spells.
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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– Chris Starnes
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The globe of invulnerability spell description says:
An immobile, faintly shimmering barrier springs into existence in a
10-foot radius around you and remains for the duration.
Note the massive wording difference between this and the antimagic field spell:
A 10-foot-radius invisible sphere of antimagic surrounds you. This
area is divorced from the magical energy that suffuses the multiverse.
Within the sphere, spells can't be cast, summoned creatures disappear,
and even magic items become mundane. Until the spell ends, the sphere
moves with you, centered on you.
Spells and other magical effects, except those created by an artifact
or a deity, are suppressed in the sphere and can't protrude into it. A
slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed. While an effect
is suppressed, it doesn't function, but the time it spends suppressed
counts against its duration.
So there is a huge difference between the effects and how they are to be resolved.
Continuing with the globe of invulnerability description:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using a higher level spell slot.
"Cast" is a instantaneous effect. You don't keep "casting" for the entire duration of a spell (concentration notwithstanding). The spell has no indication for how a existing spell should be treated (as antimagic field does), so it should only be effective on a spell at the moment of being cast.
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Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
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"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
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Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
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IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
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fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
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– Rubiksmoose
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While in the globe, ongoing spells don't affect the target.
For spells such as charm person or bless that have ongoing duration, they do not affect the target while they're within the sphere.
Spells do what they say they do
- Is the target of the spell inside of the barrier?
- Was the spell cast from outside the barrier?
- Is the spell 5th level or lower?
If the answer to all of those is yes, then the spell does not affect the target.
The globe does not end the spell nor make the target invalid
The spells with a duration are ongoing. They do not affect the target inside the globe. When the target leaves the globe, they have lost the protection effect of the globe and spells such as haste or bless would affect them again.
Instantaneous spells.
Something like pyrotechnics inflicts the blinded condition. The spell takes effect and over immediately. The result of the spell is the blinded condition, and that would not be removed when the target moves into a sphere.
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
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"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
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@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
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Slightly Ambiguous, But Previously Cast Spells Probably Still Work
The crux of the matter here is that the word "cast" typically is the same in the past and present tense. As such, the precise wording of globe of invulnerability stopping spells "cast from outside the barrier" could intend to refer to past, present, both, or exclusively one (for example, only spells cast before the globe existed), and it would have exactly the same grammatical structure.
We have guidance, however, in the other sentences of the spell's description. We are told (PHB, p. 245, bold added):
Such a spell can target creatures and objects within the barrier, but the spell has no effect on them.
This sentence uses terms exclusively in the present tense. It doesn't say that the spell can "have targeted" creatures (indicating that they targeted them in the past and are still targeting them), but rather speaks of only spells that are now attempting to target a creature once the globe of invulnerability is in effect. As such, it is likely that both the intended timing of the targeting and being affected are the same: meaning the globe of invulnerability blocks spells against something inside the globe when the other spells are cast.
The other interpretation leads to madness
The grammatical ambiguity permits people to interpret this spell as they wish. But keep in mind that many complex cases could arise if globe of invulnerability blocked previously cast spells. For example, let's say a wizard casts mirror image on themselves, then moves 20 feet and (in the next round) casts globe of invulnerability. Was the spell mirror image cast from outside the globe or not? Such a question is needlessly open to interpretation (can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? Since the globe appears around you, is the source of mirror image you, or your previous location?), but would not even come up if the globe only blocks subsequent spells.
answered Jan 4 at 18:39
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 20:07
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Slightly Ambiguous, But Previously Cast Spells Probably Still Work
The crux of the matter here is that the word "cast" typically is the same in the past and present tense. As such, the precise wording of globe of invulnerability stopping spells "cast from outside the barrier" could intend to refer to past, present, both, or exclusively one (for example, only spells cast before the globe existed), and it would have exactly the same grammatical structure.
We have guidance, however, in the other sentences of the spell's description. We are told (PHB, p. 245, bold added):
Such a spell can target creatures and objects within the barrier, but the spell has no effect on them.
This sentence uses terms exclusively in the present tense. It doesn't say that the spell can "have targeted" creatures (indicating that they targeted them in the past and are still targeting them), but rather speaks of only spells that are now attempting to target a creature once the globe of invulnerability is in effect. As such, it is likely that both the intended timing of the targeting and being affected are the same: meaning the globe of invulnerability blocks spells against something inside the globe when the other spells are cast.
The other interpretation leads to madness
The grammatical ambiguity permits people to interpret this spell as they wish. But keep in mind that many complex cases could arise if globe of invulnerability blocked previously cast spells. For example, let's say a wizard casts mirror image on themselves, then moves 20 feet and (in the next round) casts globe of invulnerability. Was the spell mirror image cast from outside the globe or not? Such a question is needlessly open to interpretation (can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? Since the globe appears around you, is the source of mirror image you, or your previous location?), but would not even come up if the globe only blocks subsequent spells.
answered Jan 4 at 18:39
GandalfmeansmeGandalfmeansme
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 20:07
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show 2 more comments
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Slightly Ambiguous, But Previously Cast Spells Probably Still Work
The crux of the matter here is that the word "cast" typically is the same in the past and present tense. As such, the precise wording of globe of invulnerability stopping spells "cast from outside the barrier" could intend to refer to past, present, both, or exclusively one (for example, only spells cast before the globe existed), and it would have exactly the same grammatical structure.
We have guidance, however, in the other sentences of the spell's description. We are told (PHB, p. 245, bold added):
Such a spell can target creatures and objects within the barrier, but the spell has no effect on them.
This sentence uses terms exclusively in the present tense. It doesn't say that the spell can "have targeted" creatures (indicating that they targeted them in the past and are still targeting them), but rather speaks of only spells that are now attempting to target a creature once the globe of invulnerability is in effect. As such, it is likely that both the intended timing of the targeting and being affected are the same: meaning the globe of invulnerability blocks spells against something inside the globe when the other spells are cast.
The other interpretation leads to madness
The grammatical ambiguity permits people to interpret this spell as they wish. But keep in mind that many complex cases could arise if globe of invulnerability blocked previously cast spells. For example, let's say a wizard casts mirror image on themselves, then moves 20 feet and (in the next round) casts globe of invulnerability. Was the spell mirror image cast from outside the globe or not? Such a question is needlessly open to interpretation (can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? Since the globe appears around you, is the source of mirror image you, or your previous location?), but would not even come up if the globe only blocks subsequent spells.
answered Jan 4 at 18:39
GandalfmeansmeGandalfmeansme
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Slightly Ambiguous, But Previously Cast Spells Probably Still Work
The crux of the matter here is that the word "cast" typically is the same in the past and present tense. As such, the precise wording of globe of invulnerability stopping spells "cast from outside the barrier" could intend to refer to past, present, both, or exclusively one (for example, only spells cast before the globe existed), and it would have exactly the same grammatical structure.
We have guidance, however, in the other sentences of the spell's description. We are told (PHB, p. 245, bold added):
Such a spell can target creatures and objects within the barrier, but the spell has no effect on them.
This sentence uses terms exclusively in the present tense. It doesn't say that the spell can "have targeted" creatures (indicating that they targeted them in the past and are still targeting them), but rather speaks of only spells that are now attempting to target a creature once the globe of invulnerability is in effect. As such, it is likely that both the intended timing of the targeting and being affected are the same: meaning the globe of invulnerability blocks spells against something inside the globe when the other spells are cast.
The other interpretation leads to madness
The grammatical ambiguity permits people to interpret this spell as they wish. But keep in mind that many complex cases could arise if globe of invulnerability blocked previously cast spells. For example, let's say a wizard casts mirror image on themselves, then moves 20 feet and (in the next round) casts globe of invulnerability. Was the spell mirror image cast from outside the globe or not? Such a question is needlessly open to interpretation (can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? Since the globe appears around you, is the source of mirror image you, or your previous location?), but would not even come up if the globe only blocks subsequent spells.
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answered Jan 4 at 18:39
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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– Chris Starnes
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 20:07
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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Cross referencing the spell Anti-Magic Field is also useful, as that is a spell that explicitly references the case of ongoing spells, and the wording is completely different.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:43
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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To your point about mirror image, the answer seems pretty clear. If you weren't within the globe when you cast it, then it was cast outside the globe and thus doesn't affect creatures within it. You are now a creature within the globe, thus you are not affected by mirror image until you leave.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 19:22
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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@ChrisStarnes There is a distinction between "not within the globe" (what you said) and "outside the globe" which is what the spell requires. Can you be said to be "outside" the globe when it doesn't exist? And since the globe travels with you, centered on you, does it matter that it was cast from a location that is outside where the globe currently is?
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– Gandalfmeansme
Jan 4 at 19:38
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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Additional argument for this interpretation, the spell description states that only spells cast outside the barrier have no effect. The ones cast from inside, like buffs on self, would still work. This implies that the bubble does not have a magic negation aura or anything of the sort, and should not affect on-going spells effects from affecting the target. This probably excludes most concentration type spells unless the caster holding concentration is also inside the globe.
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– Winterborne
Jan 4 at 20:01
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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– Chris Starnes
Jan 4 at 20:07
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@Gandalfmeansme Fair point. You would not be outside the globe when it doesn't exist. I'm not sure if that is the intent of the spell, but it is certainly rules as written. Note that the globe is "immobile", however, so it does not travel with you.
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Jan 4 at 20:07
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The globe of invulnerability spell description says:
An immobile, faintly shimmering barrier springs into existence in a
10-foot radius around you and remains for the duration.
Note the massive wording difference between this and the antimagic field spell:
A 10-foot-radius invisible sphere of antimagic surrounds you. This
area is divorced from the magical energy that suffuses the multiverse.
Within the sphere, spells can't be cast, summoned creatures disappear,
and even magic items become mundane. Until the spell ends, the sphere
moves with you, centered on you.
Spells and other magical effects, except those created by an artifact
or a deity, are suppressed in the sphere and can't protrude into it. A
slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed. While an effect
is suppressed, it doesn't function, but the time it spends suppressed
counts against its duration.
So there is a huge difference between the effects and how they are to be resolved.
Continuing with the globe of invulnerability description:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using a higher level spell slot.
"Cast" is a instantaneous effect. You don't keep "casting" for the entire duration of a spell (concentration notwithstanding). The spell has no indication for how a existing spell should be treated (as antimagic field does), so it should only be effective on a spell at the moment of being cast.
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Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
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"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
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Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
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IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
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fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 19:46
add a comment |
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The globe of invulnerability spell description says:
An immobile, faintly shimmering barrier springs into existence in a
10-foot radius around you and remains for the duration.
Note the massive wording difference between this and the antimagic field spell:
A 10-foot-radius invisible sphere of antimagic surrounds you. This
area is divorced from the magical energy that suffuses the multiverse.
Within the sphere, spells can't be cast, summoned creatures disappear,
and even magic items become mundane. Until the spell ends, the sphere
moves with you, centered on you.
Spells and other magical effects, except those created by an artifact
or a deity, are suppressed in the sphere and can't protrude into it. A
slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed. While an effect
is suppressed, it doesn't function, but the time it spends suppressed
counts against its duration.
So there is a huge difference between the effects and how they are to be resolved.
Continuing with the globe of invulnerability description:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using a higher level spell slot.
"Cast" is a instantaneous effect. You don't keep "casting" for the entire duration of a spell (concentration notwithstanding). The spell has no indication for how a existing spell should be treated (as antimagic field does), so it should only be effective on a spell at the moment of being cast.
edited Jan 5 at 0:51
V2Blast
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answered Jan 4 at 18:33
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Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
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"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
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Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
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IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
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fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 19:46
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The globe of invulnerability spell description says:
An immobile, faintly shimmering barrier springs into existence in a
10-foot radius around you and remains for the duration.
Note the massive wording difference between this and the antimagic field spell:
A 10-foot-radius invisible sphere of antimagic surrounds you. This
area is divorced from the magical energy that suffuses the multiverse.
Within the sphere, spells can't be cast, summoned creatures disappear,
and even magic items become mundane. Until the spell ends, the sphere
moves with you, centered on you.
Spells and other magical effects, except those created by an artifact
or a deity, are suppressed in the sphere and can't protrude into it. A
slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed. While an effect
is suppressed, it doesn't function, but the time it spends suppressed
counts against its duration.
So there is a huge difference between the effects and how they are to be resolved.
Continuing with the globe of invulnerability description:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using a higher level spell slot.
"Cast" is a instantaneous effect. You don't keep "casting" for the entire duration of a spell (concentration notwithstanding). The spell has no indication for how a existing spell should be treated (as antimagic field does), so it should only be effective on a spell at the moment of being cast.
edited Jan 5 at 0:51
V2Blast
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answered Jan 4 at 18:33
Corbin MathesonCorbin Matheson
1772
$endgroup$
The globe of invulnerability spell description says:
An immobile, faintly shimmering barrier springs into existence in a
10-foot radius around you and remains for the duration.
Note the massive wording difference between this and the antimagic field spell:
A 10-foot-radius invisible sphere of antimagic surrounds you. This
area is divorced from the magical energy that suffuses the multiverse.
Within the sphere, spells can't be cast, summoned creatures disappear,
and even magic items become mundane. Until the spell ends, the sphere
moves with you, centered on you.
Spells and other magical effects, except those created by an artifact
or a deity, are suppressed in the sphere and can't protrude into it. A
slot expended to cast a suppressed spell is consumed. While an effect
is suppressed, it doesn't function, but the time it spends suppressed
counts against its duration.
So there is a huge difference between the effects and how they are to be resolved.
Continuing with the globe of invulnerability description:
Any spell of 5th level or lower cast from outside the barrier can't affect creatures or objects within it, even if the spell is cast using a higher level spell slot.
"Cast" is a instantaneous effect. You don't keep "casting" for the entire duration of a spell (concentration notwithstanding). The spell has no indication for how a existing spell should be treated (as antimagic field does), so it should only be effective on a spell at the moment of being cast.
edited Jan 5 at 0:51
V2Blast
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answered Jan 4 at 18:33
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edited Jan 5 at 0:51
V2Blast
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edited Jan 5 at 0:51
V2Blast
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edited Jan 5 at 0:51
V2Blast
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20.7k360131
answered Jan 4 at 18:33
Corbin MathesonCorbin Matheson
1772
answered Jan 4 at 18:33
Corbin MathesonCorbin Matheson
1772
answered Jan 4 at 18:33
Corbin MathesonCorbin Matheson
1772
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Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
1
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"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
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Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
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IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
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fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 19:46
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
1
$begingroup$
"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
$begingroup$
Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
$begingroup$
IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
$begingroup$
fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 19:46
$begingroup$
Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
$begingroup$
Note that "cast" can be either past or present tense, so it could refer to a previous casting.
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:43
1
1
$begingroup$
"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
$begingroup$
"cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting. If I dance a jig and then you build a house, you would not ever say "I danced outside the house".
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:51
$begingroup$
Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
$begingroup$
Even if true, a spell can still have been cast (note past tense) outside of the barrier while it was still up right?
$endgroup$
– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 18:53
$begingroup$
IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
$begingroup$
IF that is the case, then you have the very very wonky situation where I cast spell A on you. Wizard Cee casts GoI, I cast spell B on you then you step into the globe and now Spell A is working but spell B is not. In which case, you are obviously doing something wierd and following that interpertation of the rules will cause maddness. Given GoI doesn't have suppression mechanics listed like the AMF does, I think it is quite obvious what the INTENT of the spell writer was, even if you can still club the english language over the head.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 19:12
$begingroup$
fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 19:46
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fwiw I disagree that a natural reading says that "cast from outside the barrier" grammatically requires the existence of the barrier prior to the casting which makes that situation not very weird at all (both spell A and B would have no affect according to your logic in that case). But as I say in my question, I originally read "cast" as being present as well. No way to prove that is the intent, but not really a stretch either.
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 19:46
add a comment |
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While in the globe, ongoing spells don't affect the target.
For spells such as charm person or bless that have ongoing duration, they do not affect the target while they're within the sphere.
Spells do what they say they do
- Is the target of the spell inside of the barrier?
- Was the spell cast from outside the barrier?
- Is the spell 5th level or lower?
If the answer to all of those is yes, then the spell does not affect the target.
The globe does not end the spell nor make the target invalid
The spells with a duration are ongoing. They do not affect the target inside the globe. When the target leaves the globe, they have lost the protection effect of the globe and spells such as haste or bless would affect them again.
Instantaneous spells.
Something like pyrotechnics inflicts the blinded condition. The spell takes effect and over immediately. The result of the spell is the blinded condition, and that would not be removed when the target moves into a sphere.
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
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"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
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– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
1
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@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
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– Grosscol
Jan 4 at 18:49
add a comment |
$begingroup$
While in the globe, ongoing spells don't affect the target.
For spells such as charm person or bless that have ongoing duration, they do not affect the target while they're within the sphere.
Spells do what they say they do
- Is the target of the spell inside of the barrier?
- Was the spell cast from outside the barrier?
- Is the spell 5th level or lower?
If the answer to all of those is yes, then the spell does not affect the target.
The globe does not end the spell nor make the target invalid
The spells with a duration are ongoing. They do not affect the target inside the globe. When the target leaves the globe, they have lost the protection effect of the globe and spells such as haste or bless would affect them again.
Instantaneous spells.
Something like pyrotechnics inflicts the blinded condition. The spell takes effect and over immediately. The result of the spell is the blinded condition, and that would not be removed when the target moves into a sphere.
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
GrosscolGrosscol
8,6621962
$endgroup$
1
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"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
1
$begingroup$
@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
Jan 4 at 18:49
add a comment |
$begingroup$
While in the globe, ongoing spells don't affect the target.
For spells such as charm person or bless that have ongoing duration, they do not affect the target while they're within the sphere.
Spells do what they say they do
- Is the target of the spell inside of the barrier?
- Was the spell cast from outside the barrier?
- Is the spell 5th level or lower?
If the answer to all of those is yes, then the spell does not affect the target.
The globe does not end the spell nor make the target invalid
The spells with a duration are ongoing. They do not affect the target inside the globe. When the target leaves the globe, they have lost the protection effect of the globe and spells such as haste or bless would affect them again.
Instantaneous spells.
Something like pyrotechnics inflicts the blinded condition. The spell takes effect and over immediately. The result of the spell is the blinded condition, and that would not be removed when the target moves into a sphere.
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
GrosscolGrosscol
8,6621962
$endgroup$
While in the globe, ongoing spells don't affect the target.
For spells such as charm person or bless that have ongoing duration, they do not affect the target while they're within the sphere.
Spells do what they say they do
- Is the target of the spell inside of the barrier?
- Was the spell cast from outside the barrier?
- Is the spell 5th level or lower?
If the answer to all of those is yes, then the spell does not affect the target.
The globe does not end the spell nor make the target invalid
The spells with a duration are ongoing. They do not affect the target inside the globe. When the target leaves the globe, they have lost the protection effect of the globe and spells such as haste or bless would affect them again.
Instantaneous spells.
Something like pyrotechnics inflicts the blinded condition. The spell takes effect and over immediately. The result of the spell is the blinded condition, and that would not be removed when the target moves into a sphere.
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
GrosscolGrosscol
8,6621962
edited Jan 4 at 19:43
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
GrosscolGrosscol
8,6621962
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
GrosscolGrosscol
8,6621962
answered Jan 4 at 16:50
GrosscolGrosscol
8,6621962
8,6621962
1
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"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
1
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@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
Jan 4 at 18:49
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
1
$begingroup$
@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
Jan 4 at 18:49
1
1
$begingroup$
"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
$begingroup$
"cast" is a instantaneous event even if the spell duration is not. Casting across the barrier is the only thing the spell lists.
$endgroup$
– Corbin Matheson
Jan 4 at 18:39
1
1
$begingroup$
@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
Jan 4 at 18:49
$begingroup$
@CorbinMatheson the description just states "cast from outside", but not when. A spell cast last round from outside where the barrier is currently, still satisfies the condition.
$endgroup$
– Grosscol
Jan 4 at 18:49
add a comment |
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Inspired by and loosely related: Does a Globe of Invulnerability protect against the Magic Weapon spell?. Also related: Globe of invulnerability vs non-magical effects of spells
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– Rubiksmoose
Jan 4 at 16:42