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True or false:
Let $C^*$ be the set of all nonzero complex numbers and $H$ be a subgroup of $C^*$(with respect to multiplication) be such that $[C^*:H]$ is finite then $H=C^*$.
I'm guessing it true as I am thinking that if suppose there is such a proper subgroup $H$ for which the number of coset will be finite then I'm guessing that there is a gap between $C^*$ and $H$ and that gap cannot be filled up by finite union. But I am unable to give a concrete prove.
Thanks in advance.
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True or false:
Let $C^*$ be the set of all nonzero complex numbers and $H$ be a subgroup of $C^*$(with respect to multiplication) be such that $[C^*:H]$ is finite then $H=C^*$.
I'm guessing it true as I am thinking that if suppose there is such a proper subgroup $H$ for which the number of coset will be finite then I'm guessing that there is a gap between $C^*$ and $H$ and that gap cannot be filled up by finite union. But I am unable to give a concrete prove.
Thanks in advance.
abstract-algebra group-theory
asked Mar 20 '16 at 20:01
user322390user322390
9916
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True or false:
Let $C^*$ be the set of all nonzero complex numbers and $H$ be a subgroup of $C^*$(with respect to multiplication) be such that $[C^*:H]$ is finite then $H=C^*$.
I'm guessing it true as I am thinking that if suppose there is such a proper subgroup $H$ for which the number of coset will be finite then I'm guessing that there is a gap between $C^*$ and $H$ and that gap cannot be filled up by finite union. But I am unable to give a concrete prove.
Thanks in advance.
abstract-algebra group-theory
asked Mar 20 '16 at 20:01
user322390user322390
9916
True or false:
Let $C^*$ be the set of all nonzero complex numbers and $H$ be a subgroup of $C^*$(with respect to multiplication) be such that $[C^*:H]$ is finite then $H=C^*$.
I'm guessing it true as I am thinking that if suppose there is such a proper subgroup $H$ for which the number of coset will be finite then I'm guessing that there is a gap between $C^*$ and $H$ and that gap cannot be filled up by finite union. But I am unable to give a concrete prove.
Thanks in advance.
abstract-algebra group-theory
abstract-algebra group-theory
asked Mar 20 '16 at 20:01
user322390user322390
9916
asked Mar 20 '16 at 20:01
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asked Mar 20 '16 at 20:01
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Suppose $H$ has finite index in $Bbb C^times$, let $m=[Bbb C^times:H]$. Then for any nonzero complex number, $z^min H$. Now given $winBbb C$ we can always solve $z^m-w=0$, so $win H$.
Alternatively, a finite divisible abelian group is trivial. Now $Bbb C^times /H$ is finite, and it is divisible, so it must be trivial.
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
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Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
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More generally, an (abelian) divisible group has no nontrivial subgroups of finite index. The proof is essentially the same as for this question.
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Suppose $H$ has finite index in $Bbb C^times$, let $m=[Bbb C^times:H]$. Then for any nonzero complex number, $z^min H$. Now given $winBbb C$ we can always solve $z^m-w=0$, so $win H$.
Alternatively, a finite divisible abelian group is trivial. Now $Bbb C^times /H$ is finite, and it is divisible, so it must be trivial.
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
96.4k10151296
Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
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Suppose $H$ has finite index in $Bbb C^times$, let $m=[Bbb C^times:H]$. Then for any nonzero complex number, $z^min H$. Now given $winBbb C$ we can always solve $z^m-w=0$, so $win H$.
Alternatively, a finite divisible abelian group is trivial. Now $Bbb C^times /H$ is finite, and it is divisible, so it must be trivial.
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
96.4k10151296
Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
add a comment |
Suppose $H$ has finite index in $Bbb C^times$, let $m=[Bbb C^times:H]$. Then for any nonzero complex number, $z^min H$. Now given $winBbb C$ we can always solve $z^m-w=0$, so $win H$.
Alternatively, a finite divisible abelian group is trivial. Now $Bbb C^times /H$ is finite, and it is divisible, so it must be trivial.
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
96.4k10151296
Suppose $H$ has finite index in $Bbb C^times$, let $m=[Bbb C^times:H]$. Then for any nonzero complex number, $z^min H$. Now given $winBbb C$ we can always solve $z^m-w=0$, so $win H$.
Alternatively, a finite divisible abelian group is trivial. Now $Bbb C^times /H$ is finite, and it is divisible, so it must be trivial.
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
96.4k10151296
edited Jun 2 '18 at 9:49
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
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answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
96.4k10151296
answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:23
Pedro Tamaroff♦Pedro Tamaroff
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Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
add a comment |
Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
Why is $z^m in H$? I don't follow that one step in this proof.
– Mehdi2277
Mar 21 '16 at 6:04
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
$(zH)^m=H$ as the order of the group ${gH: gin C^*}$ is m. Now $(zH)^m = (z^m)H = H$, so $z^m in H$.
– user322390
Apr 1 '16 at 10:32
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
The claim that a torsion divisible abelian group is trivial is blatantly false. However it holds that a finite divisible abelian group is trivial.
– YCor
Jun 2 '18 at 9:44
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
@YCor True, what I wanted to say is that finite (or torsion of finite index?) plus divisible implies trivial. An obvious counterexample is $mathbb Q/mathbb Z$.
– Pedro Tamaroff♦
Jun 2 '18 at 9:48
add a comment |
More generally, an (abelian) divisible group has no nontrivial subgroups of finite index. The proof is essentially the same as for this question.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:20
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answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:14
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More generally, an (abelian) divisible group has no nontrivial subgroups of finite index. The proof is essentially the same as for this question.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:20
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answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:14
user324381user324381
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More generally, an (abelian) divisible group has no nontrivial subgroups of finite index. The proof is essentially the same as for this question.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:20
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answered Mar 20 '16 at 20:14
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More generally, an (abelian) divisible group has no nontrivial subgroups of finite index. The proof is essentially the same as for this question.
edited Apr 13 '17 at 12:20
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