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I have tried to prove this inequality
$$ int_a^b sqrt{f^2+g^2} ge sqrt{ left( int_a^b f right)^2 + left( int_a^b g right)^2 } $$
without the use the following theorem in complex analysis
$$left| int_a^b z(t),dt right| le int_a^b |z(t)|,dt$$



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    Please be more specific and explain what all your variables are and where they come from.
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    What tools do you have at your disposal? Are you familiar with the fact that for a real valued function $f$, we have $$left| int f right| le int |f|? $$
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I have tried to prove this inequality
$$ int_a^b sqrt{f^2+g^2} ge sqrt{ left( int_a^b f right)^2 + left( int_a^b g right)^2 } $$
without the use the following theorem in complex analysis
$$left| int_a^b z(t),dt right| le int_a^b |z(t)|,dt$$



I failed. Can You help me with it?










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I have tried to prove this inequality
$$ int_a^b sqrt{f^2+g^2} ge sqrt{ left( int_a^b f right)^2 + left( int_a^b g right)^2 } $$
without the use the following theorem in complex analysis
$$left| int_a^b z(t),dt right| le int_a^b |z(t)|,dt$$



I failed. Can You help me with it?










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I have tried to prove this inequality
$$ int_a^b sqrt{f^2+g^2} ge sqrt{ left( int_a^b f right)^2 + left( int_a^b g right)^2 } $$
without the use the following theorem in complex analysis
$$left| int_a^b z(t),dt right| le int_a^b |z(t)|,dt$$



I failed. Can You help me with it?







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    – Viktor Glombik
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    What tools do you have at your disposal? Are you familiar with the fact that for a real valued function $f$, we have $$left| int f right| le int |f|? $$
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Please be more specific and explain what all your variables are and where they come from.
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Please be more specific and explain what all your variables are and where they come from.
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What tools do you have at your disposal? Are you familiar with the fact that for a real valued function $f$, we have $$left| int f right| le int |f|? $$
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This is quite easy. Let $c,d in mathbb R$ with $c^{2}+d^{2}=1$. Then $cint_a^{b}f +dint_a^{b} g=int_a^{b} (cf+dg)leq int_a^{b} sqrt {f^{2}+g^{2}}$ by C-S inequality. Now just take $c=frac {int_a^{b}f} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$ and $d=frac {int_a^{b}g} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$






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    where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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    @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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Suppose $z(r)=f(r)+ig(r)$, where $r$ is a real variable and $f$ and $g$ are real valued functions. Then:



$(f(s)g(t)-f(t)g(s))^2geq0 quad;forall;;s,tinmathbb R implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2geq2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)\implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(s)^2f(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2+g(t)^2g(s)^2geq f(s)^2f(t)^2+2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)+g(t)^2g(s)^2\implies(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)geq(f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))^2\impliessqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}geq f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s)$



Now, we'll need to use a generalized form of inequalities between functions for two variable functions. That'll give us (I'm going to assume $b>a$ in the following):



$$int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))quad dtds\impliesint_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t))quad dsdtquad + int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (g(t)g(s))quad dsdt$$



These integrals may be simplified into:



$$Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drBigr)^2geq Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2$$



see this

So, finally, we have:



$$int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drgeq sqrt{Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2}$$



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$$int_a^b|z(r)|quad drgeq Biggl|int_a^bz(r)quad dr Biggr|$$






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    This is quite easy. Let $c,d in mathbb R$ with $c^{2}+d^{2}=1$. Then $cint_a^{b}f +dint_a^{b} g=int_a^{b} (cf+dg)leq int_a^{b} sqrt {f^{2}+g^{2}}$ by C-S inequality. Now just take $c=frac {int_a^{b}f} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$ and $d=frac {int_a^{b}g} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$






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      where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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      @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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    This is quite easy. Let $c,d in mathbb R$ with $c^{2}+d^{2}=1$. Then $cint_a^{b}f +dint_a^{b} g=int_a^{b} (cf+dg)leq int_a^{b} sqrt {f^{2}+g^{2}}$ by C-S inequality. Now just take $c=frac {int_a^{b}f} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$ and $d=frac {int_a^{b}g} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$






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      where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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      @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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    This is quite easy. Let $c,d in mathbb R$ with $c^{2}+d^{2}=1$. Then $cint_a^{b}f +dint_a^{b} g=int_a^{b} (cf+dg)leq int_a^{b} sqrt {f^{2}+g^{2}}$ by C-S inequality. Now just take $c=frac {int_a^{b}f} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$ and $d=frac {int_a^{b}g} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$






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    This is quite easy. Let $c,d in mathbb R$ with $c^{2}+d^{2}=1$. Then $cint_a^{b}f +dint_a^{b} g=int_a^{b} (cf+dg)leq int_a^{b} sqrt {f^{2}+g^{2}}$ by C-S inequality. Now just take $c=frac {int_a^{b}f} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$ and $d=frac {int_a^{b}g} {sqrt {(int_a^{b}f)^{2}+(int_a^{b}g)^{2}}}$







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      where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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      @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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      where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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      Jan 15 at 4:21












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      @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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    where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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    where goes the $ b-a $ in your C-S inequality? : ) isn't that right that $ int_a^b 1 = b-a $ ?
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    @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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    @Dr.AKA I am not applying C-S inequality in integral form. The only inequality needed here $|ax+by| leq sqrt {a^{2}+b^{2}} sqrt {x^{2}+y^{2}}$ for real numbers $a,b,x,y$.
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    Suppose $z(r)=f(r)+ig(r)$, where $r$ is a real variable and $f$ and $g$ are real valued functions. Then:



    $(f(s)g(t)-f(t)g(s))^2geq0 quad;forall;;s,tinmathbb R implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2geq2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)\implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(s)^2f(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2+g(t)^2g(s)^2geq f(s)^2f(t)^2+2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)+g(t)^2g(s)^2\implies(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)geq(f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))^2\impliessqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}geq f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s)$



    Now, we'll need to use a generalized form of inequalities between functions for two variable functions. That'll give us (I'm going to assume $b>a$ in the following):



    $$int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))quad dtds\impliesint_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t))quad dsdtquad + int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (g(t)g(s))quad dsdt$$



    These integrals may be simplified into:



    $$Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drBigr)^2geq Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2$$



    see this

    So, finally, we have:



    $$int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drgeq sqrt{Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2}$$



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    $$int_a^b|z(r)|quad drgeq Biggl|int_a^bz(r)quad dr Biggr|$$






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      Suppose $z(r)=f(r)+ig(r)$, where $r$ is a real variable and $f$ and $g$ are real valued functions. Then:



      $(f(s)g(t)-f(t)g(s))^2geq0 quad;forall;;s,tinmathbb R implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2geq2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)\implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(s)^2f(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2+g(t)^2g(s)^2geq f(s)^2f(t)^2+2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)+g(t)^2g(s)^2\implies(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)geq(f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))^2\impliessqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}geq f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s)$



      Now, we'll need to use a generalized form of inequalities between functions for two variable functions. That'll give us (I'm going to assume $b>a$ in the following):



      $$int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))quad dtds\impliesint_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t))quad dsdtquad + int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (g(t)g(s))quad dsdt$$



      These integrals may be simplified into:



      $$Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drBigr)^2geq Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2$$



      see this

      So, finally, we have:



      $$int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drgeq sqrt{Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2}$$



      Or:



      $$int_a^b|z(r)|quad drgeq Biggl|int_a^bz(r)quad dr Biggr|$$






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        Suppose $z(r)=f(r)+ig(r)$, where $r$ is a real variable and $f$ and $g$ are real valued functions. Then:



        $(f(s)g(t)-f(t)g(s))^2geq0 quad;forall;;s,tinmathbb R implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2geq2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)\implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(s)^2f(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2+g(t)^2g(s)^2geq f(s)^2f(t)^2+2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)+g(t)^2g(s)^2\implies(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)geq(f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))^2\impliessqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}geq f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s)$



        Now, we'll need to use a generalized form of inequalities between functions for two variable functions. That'll give us (I'm going to assume $b>a$ in the following):



        $$int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))quad dtds\impliesint_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t))quad dsdtquad + int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (g(t)g(s))quad dsdt$$



        These integrals may be simplified into:



        $$Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drBigr)^2geq Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2$$



        see this

        So, finally, we have:



        $$int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drgeq sqrt{Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2}$$



        Or:



        $$int_a^b|z(r)|quad drgeq Biggl|int_a^bz(r)quad dr Biggr|$$






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        Suppose $z(r)=f(r)+ig(r)$, where $r$ is a real variable and $f$ and $g$ are real valued functions. Then:



        $(f(s)g(t)-f(t)g(s))^2geq0 quad;forall;;s,tinmathbb R implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2geq2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)\implies f(s)^2g(t)^2+f(s)^2f(t)^2+f(t)^2g(s)^2+g(t)^2g(s)^2geq f(s)^2f(t)^2+2f(t)g(t)f(s)g(s)+g(t)^2g(s)^2\implies(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)geq(f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))^2\impliessqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}geq f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s)$



        Now, we'll need to use a generalized form of inequalities between functions for two variable functions. That'll give us (I'm going to assume $b>a$ in the following):



        $$int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t)+g(t)g(s))quad dtds\impliesint_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b}sqrt{(f(s)^2+g(s)^2)}sqrt{(f(t)^2+g(t)^2)}quad dtdsgeq int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (f(s)f(t))quad dsdtquad + int_{s=a}^{s=b}int_{t=a}^{t=b} (g(t)g(s))quad dsdt$$



        These integrals may be simplified into:



        $$Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drBigr)^2geq Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2$$



        see this

        So, finally, we have:



        $$int_{r=a}^{r=b}sqrt{(f(r)^2+g(r)^2)}quad drgeq sqrt{Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} f(r)quad drBigr)^2 + Bigl(int_{r=a}^{r=b} g(r)quad drBigr)^2}$$



        Or:



        $$int_a^b|z(r)|quad drgeq Biggl|int_a^bz(r)quad dr Biggr|$$







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