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Let $(X,|quad|)$ be a normed vector space, and let $X^prime$ be the set of all bounded linear maps on $X$. I need help to clarify these questions.




  1. Is it correct that the weak topology on $X$ is the topology $tau_w$ such that for each $f in X^prime$ and every open interval $I=(a,b)$, $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$?


In other words, $tau_w $ is the topology generated by ${f^{-1}(I): I = (a,b), a,b in mathbb{R} }$?




  1. The definition of $x_n to tilde{x}$ in $tau_w$ means that for every $U in tau_w$ with $tilde{x} in U$ there exists $M$ such that $x_n in U$ for $n geq M$.
    Why is this definition equivalent to the definition
    $$
    f(x_n) to f(tilde{x})?
    $$

    as a real number for every $fin X^{prime}$?










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Let $(X,|quad|)$ be a normed vector space, and let $X^prime$ be the set of all bounded linear maps on $X$. I need help to clarify these questions.




  1. Is it correct that the weak topology on $X$ is the topology $tau_w$ such that for each $f in X^prime$ and every open interval $I=(a,b)$, $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$?


In other words, $tau_w $ is the topology generated by ${f^{-1}(I): I = (a,b), a,b in mathbb{R} }$?




  1. The definition of $x_n to tilde{x}$ in $tau_w$ means that for every $U in tau_w$ with $tilde{x} in U$ there exists $M$ such that $x_n in U$ for $n geq M$.
    Why is this definition equivalent to the definition
    $$
    f(x_n) to f(tilde{x})?
    $$

    as a real number for every $fin X^{prime}$?










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Let $(X,|quad|)$ be a normed vector space, and let $X^prime$ be the set of all bounded linear maps on $X$. I need help to clarify these questions.




  1. Is it correct that the weak topology on $X$ is the topology $tau_w$ such that for each $f in X^prime$ and every open interval $I=(a,b)$, $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$?


In other words, $tau_w $ is the topology generated by ${f^{-1}(I): I = (a,b), a,b in mathbb{R} }$?




  1. The definition of $x_n to tilde{x}$ in $tau_w$ means that for every $U in tau_w$ with $tilde{x} in U$ there exists $M$ such that $x_n in U$ for $n geq M$.
    Why is this definition equivalent to the definition
    $$
    f(x_n) to f(tilde{x})?
    $$

    as a real number for every $fin X^{prime}$?










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Let $(X,|quad|)$ be a normed vector space, and let $X^prime$ be the set of all bounded linear maps on $X$. I need help to clarify these questions.




  1. Is it correct that the weak topology on $X$ is the topology $tau_w$ such that for each $f in X^prime$ and every open interval $I=(a,b)$, $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$?


In other words, $tau_w $ is the topology generated by ${f^{-1}(I): I = (a,b), a,b in mathbb{R} }$?




  1. The definition of $x_n to tilde{x}$ in $tau_w$ means that for every $U in tau_w$ with $tilde{x} in U$ there exists $M$ such that $x_n in U$ for $n geq M$.
    Why is this definition equivalent to the definition
    $$
    f(x_n) to f(tilde{x})?
    $$

    as a real number for every $fin X^{prime}$?







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    $X'$ is usually called $X^*$ ("$X$-star").
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    $X'$ is usually called $X^*$ ("$X$-star").
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$X'$ is usually called $X^*$ ("$X$-star").
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Yes, $f^{-1}(I)$ is always weakly open. It must be, because the weak topology is the coarsest topology that makes (norm) continuous functionals continuous. Since $I$ is open in $mathbb{R}$, the inverse image $f^{-1}(I)$ is open in the weak topology.



To ask whether such sets generate the weak topology is a slightly different question, but yes, these sets form a sub-basis for the weak topology.



As for your other question about why $x_n rightharpoonup x$ is equivalent to $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f in X^*$, one direction is not hard to prove. If $x_n rightharpoonup x$, $f in X^*$, and $varepsilon > 0$, then $f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon)$ is weakly open (as above), contains $x$, and so $x_n$ must eventually lie in this set. That is, there must be some $N$ such that
begin{align*}
n > N &implies x_n in f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
&implies f(x_n) in (f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
&implies |f(x_n) - f(x)| < varepsilon,
end{align*}

as required.



On the other hand, let's suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f$. We need to show that, given any weakly open neighbourhood $U$ of $x$, the sequence $(x_n)$ eventually lies inside this neighbourhood.



Recall that $U$ is a union of sub-basic sets. In particular, $x$ must be contained in a set of the form
$$V = bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k)$$
where $I_k$ is an open interval, and $V subseteq U$. Then, since $f_k(x_n) to x$ as $n to infty$, for all $k$, there must exist some $N_k$ such that
$$n > N_k implies f_k(x_n) in I_k implies x_n in f_k^{-1}(I_k).$$
Taking $N = max{N_1, ldots, N_k}$, we get
$$n > N implies x_n in bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k) subseteq U.$$






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    In 1) 'is the topology ...' is is wrong. There are many topologies with this property and weak topology is the smallest topology for which $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$ for every open interval $I$. It is the topology for which sets of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ form a subbase. (Every open set in $tau_w$ is a union of finite intersections of sets of this type).



    Suppose $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$ and $fin X'$. Let $I$ be an open interval containing $f(x)$. Then $f^{-1}(I)$ is an open set in $tau_w$ containing $x$ so it contains $x_n$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $f(x_n) in I$ for such $n$ proving that $f(x_n) to f(x)$. Conversely, suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for every $f in X'$. Let $V$ be a neighborhood of $x$ in $tau_w$. Then there exist $f_1,f_2,...f_k in X'$ and an open intervals $I_1,I_2,...,I_k$ such that $x in cap_j f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$. Hence $f_j(x) in I_j$ for each $j leq k$ which implies $f_j(x_n) in I_j$ for $n$ sufficiently large. It follows that $x_n in f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$.






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      Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
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    Yes, $f^{-1}(I)$ is always weakly open. It must be, because the weak topology is the coarsest topology that makes (norm) continuous functionals continuous. Since $I$ is open in $mathbb{R}$, the inverse image $f^{-1}(I)$ is open in the weak topology.



    To ask whether such sets generate the weak topology is a slightly different question, but yes, these sets form a sub-basis for the weak topology.



    As for your other question about why $x_n rightharpoonup x$ is equivalent to $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f in X^*$, one direction is not hard to prove. If $x_n rightharpoonup x$, $f in X^*$, and $varepsilon > 0$, then $f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon)$ is weakly open (as above), contains $x$, and so $x_n$ must eventually lie in this set. That is, there must be some $N$ such that
    begin{align*}
    n > N &implies x_n in f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
    &implies f(x_n) in (f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
    &implies |f(x_n) - f(x)| < varepsilon,
    end{align*}

    as required.



    On the other hand, let's suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f$. We need to show that, given any weakly open neighbourhood $U$ of $x$, the sequence $(x_n)$ eventually lies inside this neighbourhood.



    Recall that $U$ is a union of sub-basic sets. In particular, $x$ must be contained in a set of the form
    $$V = bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k)$$
    where $I_k$ is an open interval, and $V subseteq U$. Then, since $f_k(x_n) to x$ as $n to infty$, for all $k$, there must exist some $N_k$ such that
    $$n > N_k implies f_k(x_n) in I_k implies x_n in f_k^{-1}(I_k).$$
    Taking $N = max{N_1, ldots, N_k}$, we get
    $$n > N implies x_n in bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k) subseteq U.$$






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      Yes, $f^{-1}(I)$ is always weakly open. It must be, because the weak topology is the coarsest topology that makes (norm) continuous functionals continuous. Since $I$ is open in $mathbb{R}$, the inverse image $f^{-1}(I)$ is open in the weak topology.



      To ask whether such sets generate the weak topology is a slightly different question, but yes, these sets form a sub-basis for the weak topology.



      As for your other question about why $x_n rightharpoonup x$ is equivalent to $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f in X^*$, one direction is not hard to prove. If $x_n rightharpoonup x$, $f in X^*$, and $varepsilon > 0$, then $f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon)$ is weakly open (as above), contains $x$, and so $x_n$ must eventually lie in this set. That is, there must be some $N$ such that
      begin{align*}
      n > N &implies x_n in f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
      &implies f(x_n) in (f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
      &implies |f(x_n) - f(x)| < varepsilon,
      end{align*}

      as required.



      On the other hand, let's suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f$. We need to show that, given any weakly open neighbourhood $U$ of $x$, the sequence $(x_n)$ eventually lies inside this neighbourhood.



      Recall that $U$ is a union of sub-basic sets. In particular, $x$ must be contained in a set of the form
      $$V = bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k)$$
      where $I_k$ is an open interval, and $V subseteq U$. Then, since $f_k(x_n) to x$ as $n to infty$, for all $k$, there must exist some $N_k$ such that
      $$n > N_k implies f_k(x_n) in I_k implies x_n in f_k^{-1}(I_k).$$
      Taking $N = max{N_1, ldots, N_k}$, we get
      $$n > N implies x_n in bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k) subseteq U.$$






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        Yes, $f^{-1}(I)$ is always weakly open. It must be, because the weak topology is the coarsest topology that makes (norm) continuous functionals continuous. Since $I$ is open in $mathbb{R}$, the inverse image $f^{-1}(I)$ is open in the weak topology.



        To ask whether such sets generate the weak topology is a slightly different question, but yes, these sets form a sub-basis for the weak topology.



        As for your other question about why $x_n rightharpoonup x$ is equivalent to $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f in X^*$, one direction is not hard to prove. If $x_n rightharpoonup x$, $f in X^*$, and $varepsilon > 0$, then $f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon)$ is weakly open (as above), contains $x$, and so $x_n$ must eventually lie in this set. That is, there must be some $N$ such that
        begin{align*}
        n > N &implies x_n in f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
        &implies f(x_n) in (f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
        &implies |f(x_n) - f(x)| < varepsilon,
        end{align*}

        as required.



        On the other hand, let's suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f$. We need to show that, given any weakly open neighbourhood $U$ of $x$, the sequence $(x_n)$ eventually lies inside this neighbourhood.



        Recall that $U$ is a union of sub-basic sets. In particular, $x$ must be contained in a set of the form
        $$V = bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k)$$
        where $I_k$ is an open interval, and $V subseteq U$. Then, since $f_k(x_n) to x$ as $n to infty$, for all $k$, there must exist some $N_k$ such that
        $$n > N_k implies f_k(x_n) in I_k implies x_n in f_k^{-1}(I_k).$$
        Taking $N = max{N_1, ldots, N_k}$, we get
        $$n > N implies x_n in bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k) subseteq U.$$






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        Yes, $f^{-1}(I)$ is always weakly open. It must be, because the weak topology is the coarsest topology that makes (norm) continuous functionals continuous. Since $I$ is open in $mathbb{R}$, the inverse image $f^{-1}(I)$ is open in the weak topology.



        To ask whether such sets generate the weak topology is a slightly different question, but yes, these sets form a sub-basis for the weak topology.



        As for your other question about why $x_n rightharpoonup x$ is equivalent to $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f in X^*$, one direction is not hard to prove. If $x_n rightharpoonup x$, $f in X^*$, and $varepsilon > 0$, then $f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon)$ is weakly open (as above), contains $x$, and so $x_n$ must eventually lie in this set. That is, there must be some $N$ such that
        begin{align*}
        n > N &implies x_n in f^{-1}(f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
        &implies f(x_n) in (f(x) - varepsilon, f(x) + varepsilon) \
        &implies |f(x_n) - f(x)| < varepsilon,
        end{align*}

        as required.



        On the other hand, let's suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for all $f$. We need to show that, given any weakly open neighbourhood $U$ of $x$, the sequence $(x_n)$ eventually lies inside this neighbourhood.



        Recall that $U$ is a union of sub-basic sets. In particular, $x$ must be contained in a set of the form
        $$V = bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k)$$
        where $I_k$ is an open interval, and $V subseteq U$. Then, since $f_k(x_n) to x$ as $n to infty$, for all $k$, there must exist some $N_k$ such that
        $$n > N_k implies f_k(x_n) in I_k implies x_n in f_k^{-1}(I_k).$$
        Taking $N = max{N_1, ldots, N_k}$, we get
        $$n > N implies x_n in bigcap_{k=1}^m f_k^{-1}(I_k) subseteq U.$$







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            In 1) 'is the topology ...' is is wrong. There are many topologies with this property and weak topology is the smallest topology for which $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$ for every open interval $I$. It is the topology for which sets of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ form a subbase. (Every open set in $tau_w$ is a union of finite intersections of sets of this type).



            Suppose $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$ and $fin X'$. Let $I$ be an open interval containing $f(x)$. Then $f^{-1}(I)$ is an open set in $tau_w$ containing $x$ so it contains $x_n$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $f(x_n) in I$ for such $n$ proving that $f(x_n) to f(x)$. Conversely, suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for every $f in X'$. Let $V$ be a neighborhood of $x$ in $tau_w$. Then there exist $f_1,f_2,...f_k in X'$ and an open intervals $I_1,I_2,...,I_k$ such that $x in cap_j f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$. Hence $f_j(x) in I_j$ for each $j leq k$ which implies $f_j(x_n) in I_j$ for $n$ sufficiently large. It follows that $x_n in f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$.






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              Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
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            In 1) 'is the topology ...' is is wrong. There are many topologies with this property and weak topology is the smallest topology for which $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$ for every open interval $I$. It is the topology for which sets of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ form a subbase. (Every open set in $tau_w$ is a union of finite intersections of sets of this type).



            Suppose $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$ and $fin X'$. Let $I$ be an open interval containing $f(x)$. Then $f^{-1}(I)$ is an open set in $tau_w$ containing $x$ so it contains $x_n$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $f(x_n) in I$ for such $n$ proving that $f(x_n) to f(x)$. Conversely, suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for every $f in X'$. Let $V$ be a neighborhood of $x$ in $tau_w$. Then there exist $f_1,f_2,...f_k in X'$ and an open intervals $I_1,I_2,...,I_k$ such that $x in cap_j f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$. Hence $f_j(x) in I_j$ for each $j leq k$ which implies $f_j(x_n) in I_j$ for $n$ sufficiently large. It follows that $x_n in f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$.






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              Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
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            In 1) 'is the topology ...' is is wrong. There are many topologies with this property and weak topology is the smallest topology for which $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$ for every open interval $I$. It is the topology for which sets of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ form a subbase. (Every open set in $tau_w$ is a union of finite intersections of sets of this type).



            Suppose $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$ and $fin X'$. Let $I$ be an open interval containing $f(x)$. Then $f^{-1}(I)$ is an open set in $tau_w$ containing $x$ so it contains $x_n$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $f(x_n) in I$ for such $n$ proving that $f(x_n) to f(x)$. Conversely, suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for every $f in X'$. Let $V$ be a neighborhood of $x$ in $tau_w$. Then there exist $f_1,f_2,...f_k in X'$ and an open intervals $I_1,I_2,...,I_k$ such that $x in cap_j f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$. Hence $f_j(x) in I_j$ for each $j leq k$ which implies $f_j(x_n) in I_j$ for $n$ sufficiently large. It follows that $x_n in f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$.






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            In 1) 'is the topology ...' is is wrong. There are many topologies with this property and weak topology is the smallest topology for which $f^{-1}(I) in tau_w$ for every open interval $I$. It is the topology for which sets of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ form a subbase. (Every open set in $tau_w$ is a union of finite intersections of sets of this type).



            Suppose $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$ and $fin X'$. Let $I$ be an open interval containing $f(x)$. Then $f^{-1}(I)$ is an open set in $tau_w$ containing $x$ so it contains $x_n$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $f(x_n) in I$ for such $n$ proving that $f(x_n) to f(x)$. Conversely, suppose $f(x_n) to f(x)$ for every $f in X'$. Let $V$ be a neighborhood of $x$ in $tau_w$. Then there exist $f_1,f_2,...f_k in X'$ and an open intervals $I_1,I_2,...,I_k$ such that $x in cap_j f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$. Hence $f_j(x) in I_j$ for each $j leq k$ which implies $f_j(x_n) in I_j$ for $n$ sufficiently large. It follows that $x_n in f_j^{-1}(I_j) subset V$ for $n$ sufficiently large. Hence $x_n to x$ in $tau_w$.







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              Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
              $endgroup$
              – mmnn
              Jan 14 at 15:42










            • $begingroup$
              @mmnn My answer was faulty. I have corrected the answer.
              $endgroup$
              – Kavi Rama Murthy
              Jan 14 at 23:26


















            • $begingroup$
              Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
              $endgroup$
              – mmnn
              Jan 14 at 15:42










            • $begingroup$
              @mmnn My answer was faulty. I have corrected the answer.
              $endgroup$
              – Kavi Rama Murthy
              Jan 14 at 23:26
















            $begingroup$
            Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
            $endgroup$
            – mmnn
            Jan 14 at 15:42




            $begingroup$
            Why is the set of the form $f^{-1}(I)$ a base? Can we only say that it is just a subbasis as the other person below said?
            $endgroup$
            – mmnn
            Jan 14 at 15:42












            $begingroup$
            @mmnn My answer was faulty. I have corrected the answer.
            $endgroup$
            – Kavi Rama Murthy
            Jan 14 at 23:26




            $begingroup$
            @mmnn My answer was faulty. I have corrected the answer.
            $endgroup$
            – Kavi Rama Murthy
            Jan 14 at 23:26


















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