Let ($x_n$) be a monotone sequence and contain a convergent subsequence. Prove that ($x_n$) is convergent.












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Let ($x_n$) be a monotone sequence and contain a convergent subsequence. Prove that ($x_n$) is convergent.



I know that by the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem, every bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence. But I need some hints as to how to prove the question above. Thanks for your help!










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    Have you already proved, for example, that a non-decreasing sequence which is bounded above converges?
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    @JobinIdiculla 0,2,0,4,0,6.... is not monotone
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    @LiuGang: Thanks. That was a blunder indeed.
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Let ($x_n$) be a monotone sequence and contain a convergent subsequence. Prove that ($x_n$) is convergent.



I know that by the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem, every bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence. But I need some hints as to how to prove the question above. Thanks for your help!










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    Have you already proved, for example, that a non-decreasing sequence which is bounded above converges?
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    – André Nicolas
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    @JobinIdiculla 0,2,0,4,0,6.... is not monotone
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    @LiuGang: Thanks. That was a blunder indeed.
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Let ($x_n$) be a monotone sequence and contain a convergent subsequence. Prove that ($x_n$) is convergent.



I know that by the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem, every bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence. But I need some hints as to how to prove the question above. Thanks for your help!










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Let ($x_n$) be a monotone sequence and contain a convergent subsequence. Prove that ($x_n$) is convergent.



I know that by the Bolzano-Weierstrass Theorem, every bounded sequence has a convergent subsequence. But I need some hints as to how to prove the question above. Thanks for your help!







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    Have you already proved, for example, that a non-decreasing sequence which is bounded above converges?
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    @JobinIdiculla 0,2,0,4,0,6.... is not monotone
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    – Petite Etincelle
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    @LiuGang: Thanks. That was a blunder indeed.
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    – Train Heartnet
    Sep 25 '14 at 6:26


















  • $begingroup$
    Have you already proved, for example, that a non-decreasing sequence which is bounded above converges?
    $endgroup$
    – André Nicolas
    Sep 25 '14 at 6:22










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    @JobinIdiculla 0,2,0,4,0,6.... is not monotone
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    – Petite Etincelle
    Sep 25 '14 at 6:23










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    @LiuGang: Thanks. That was a blunder indeed.
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    – Train Heartnet
    Sep 25 '14 at 6:26
















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Have you already proved, for example, that a non-decreasing sequence which is bounded above converges?
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– André Nicolas
Sep 25 '14 at 6:22




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Have you already proved, for example, that a non-decreasing sequence which is bounded above converges?
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– André Nicolas
Sep 25 '14 at 6:22












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@JobinIdiculla 0,2,0,4,0,6.... is not monotone
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– Petite Etincelle
Sep 25 '14 at 6:23




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@JobinIdiculla 0,2,0,4,0,6.... is not monotone
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– Petite Etincelle
Sep 25 '14 at 6:23












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@LiuGang: Thanks. That was a blunder indeed.
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– Train Heartnet
Sep 25 '14 at 6:26




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@LiuGang: Thanks. That was a blunder indeed.
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Suppose ${x_n}$ is increasing and has a subsequence ${x_{n_k}}$ which converges to $L$. We will prove that ${x_n}$ itself converges to $L$.



For any $epsilon > 0$, we want to find an integer $N_epsilon$ such that $|x_n - L| leq epsilon$ for any $n geq N_epsilon$.



Since ${x_{n_k}}$ is increasing and converges to $L$, we can find $k_epsilon$ such that for any $k geq k_epsilon$, $ -epsilon < x_{n_k} - L <0$.



Take $N_epsilon = n_{k_epsilon}$, then for any $n geq N_epsilon,$ $ x_{n_{k_epsilon}}leq x_n leq L$, so $-epsilon leq x_{n_{k_epsilon}} - Lleq x_n - L leq 0$.



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    Why is $x_n leq L$ for all $n geq N_epsilon$?
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    Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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    But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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Let $(y_k)$ be a convergent subsequence with a limit $A$. Since $(x_n)$ is monotone, $(y_k)$ is monotone as well. Then every $y$ is smaller than $A$. Then We know that for every $eps > 0$ there exists $K: k > K Rightarrow y_k > A - eps$. Then for every x after $y_k$ in original sequence it's also true since sequence is monotone.Also, for every x there exists an y which stands further in $(x_n)$. Then every $x$ is $< A$. Then the sequence converges to A. (It was for increasing sequence, for decreasing anlogically).






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    Suppose $(x_n)$ is monotone and contains a convergent subsequence $(x_{n_i}).$



    Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is convergent, it is bounded above by some upper bound $b in mathbb{N},$ that is, $x_{n_i} leq b,$ $forall i in mathbb{N}.$



    Suppose $(x_n)$ is divergent. Given its monotonicity, it follows that $(x_n)$ is unbounded, that is, $forall M in mathbb{N},$ $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > M$ (at some point "$N$," the sequence passes the boundary $M$ for any boundary $M in mathbb{N}).$ If $(x_n)$ is bounded, it is necessarily the case that $(x_n),$ given that it is monotone increasing, IS convergent (you can prove this).



    So, $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > b.$



    Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is bounded above by $b,$ this means that $forall i in mathbb{N},$ $n_i < N.$



    Hence, as by definition of a subsequence it is the case that $n_1 < n_2 < cdots n_i,$ the subsequence $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements (at most $N - 1$ elements).



    However, a subsequence is defined as a function whose domain is the natural numbers. Given that $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements, its domain is a finite, proper subset of the natural numbers, that is, its domain is not the natural numbers. Contradiction.



    Therefore, $(x_n)$ is convergent.






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      Suppose ${x_n}$ is increasing and has a subsequence ${x_{n_k}}$ which converges to $L$. We will prove that ${x_n}$ itself converges to $L$.



      For any $epsilon > 0$, we want to find an integer $N_epsilon$ such that $|x_n - L| leq epsilon$ for any $n geq N_epsilon$.



      Since ${x_{n_k}}$ is increasing and converges to $L$, we can find $k_epsilon$ such that for any $k geq k_epsilon$, $ -epsilon < x_{n_k} - L <0$.



      Take $N_epsilon = n_{k_epsilon}$, then for any $n geq N_epsilon,$ $ x_{n_{k_epsilon}}leq x_n leq L$, so $-epsilon leq x_{n_{k_epsilon}} - Lleq x_n - L leq 0$.



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        Why is $x_n leq L$ for all $n geq N_epsilon$?
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        Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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        But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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      Suppose ${x_n}$ is increasing and has a subsequence ${x_{n_k}}$ which converges to $L$. We will prove that ${x_n}$ itself converges to $L$.



      For any $epsilon > 0$, we want to find an integer $N_epsilon$ such that $|x_n - L| leq epsilon$ for any $n geq N_epsilon$.



      Since ${x_{n_k}}$ is increasing and converges to $L$, we can find $k_epsilon$ such that for any $k geq k_epsilon$, $ -epsilon < x_{n_k} - L <0$.



      Take $N_epsilon = n_{k_epsilon}$, then for any $n geq N_epsilon,$ $ x_{n_{k_epsilon}}leq x_n leq L$, so $-epsilon leq x_{n_{k_epsilon}} - Lleq x_n - L leq 0$.



      Similarly, we can prove when ${x_n}$ is decreasing






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        Why is $x_n leq L$ for all $n geq N_epsilon$?
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        Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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        But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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      Suppose ${x_n}$ is increasing and has a subsequence ${x_{n_k}}$ which converges to $L$. We will prove that ${x_n}$ itself converges to $L$.



      For any $epsilon > 0$, we want to find an integer $N_epsilon$ such that $|x_n - L| leq epsilon$ for any $n geq N_epsilon$.



      Since ${x_{n_k}}$ is increasing and converges to $L$, we can find $k_epsilon$ such that for any $k geq k_epsilon$, $ -epsilon < x_{n_k} - L <0$.



      Take $N_epsilon = n_{k_epsilon}$, then for any $n geq N_epsilon,$ $ x_{n_{k_epsilon}}leq x_n leq L$, so $-epsilon leq x_{n_{k_epsilon}} - Lleq x_n - L leq 0$.



      Similarly, we can prove when ${x_n}$ is decreasing






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      Suppose ${x_n}$ is increasing and has a subsequence ${x_{n_k}}$ which converges to $L$. We will prove that ${x_n}$ itself converges to $L$.



      For any $epsilon > 0$, we want to find an integer $N_epsilon$ such that $|x_n - L| leq epsilon$ for any $n geq N_epsilon$.



      Since ${x_{n_k}}$ is increasing and converges to $L$, we can find $k_epsilon$ such that for any $k geq k_epsilon$, $ -epsilon < x_{n_k} - L <0$.



      Take $N_epsilon = n_{k_epsilon}$, then for any $n geq N_epsilon,$ $ x_{n_{k_epsilon}}leq x_n leq L$, so $-epsilon leq x_{n_{k_epsilon}} - Lleq x_n - L leq 0$.



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        Why is $x_n leq L$ for all $n geq N_epsilon$?
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        Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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        But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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        It's also not apparent to why you can post $x_n leq L.$
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        Why is $x_n leq L$ for all $n geq N_epsilon$?
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        Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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        But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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      Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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      Because $x_{n}$ is monotonically increasing to the limit $L$.
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      But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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      But that's what you're trying to show. Why is it assumed?
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      It's also not apparent to why you can post $x_n leq L.$
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      Let $(y_k)$ be a convergent subsequence with a limit $A$. Since $(x_n)$ is monotone, $(y_k)$ is monotone as well. Then every $y$ is smaller than $A$. Then We know that for every $eps > 0$ there exists $K: k > K Rightarrow y_k > A - eps$. Then for every x after $y_k$ in original sequence it's also true since sequence is monotone.Also, for every x there exists an y which stands further in $(x_n)$. Then every $x$ is $< A$. Then the sequence converges to A. (It was for increasing sequence, for decreasing anlogically).






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        Let $(y_k)$ be a convergent subsequence with a limit $A$. Since $(x_n)$ is monotone, $(y_k)$ is monotone as well. Then every $y$ is smaller than $A$. Then We know that for every $eps > 0$ there exists $K: k > K Rightarrow y_k > A - eps$. Then for every x after $y_k$ in original sequence it's also true since sequence is monotone.Also, for every x there exists an y which stands further in $(x_n)$. Then every $x$ is $< A$. Then the sequence converges to A. (It was for increasing sequence, for decreasing anlogically).






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          Let $(y_k)$ be a convergent subsequence with a limit $A$. Since $(x_n)$ is monotone, $(y_k)$ is monotone as well. Then every $y$ is smaller than $A$. Then We know that for every $eps > 0$ there exists $K: k > K Rightarrow y_k > A - eps$. Then for every x after $y_k$ in original sequence it's also true since sequence is monotone.Also, for every x there exists an y which stands further in $(x_n)$. Then every $x$ is $< A$. Then the sequence converges to A. (It was for increasing sequence, for decreasing anlogically).






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          Let $(y_k)$ be a convergent subsequence with a limit $A$. Since $(x_n)$ is monotone, $(y_k)$ is monotone as well. Then every $y$ is smaller than $A$. Then We know that for every $eps > 0$ there exists $K: k > K Rightarrow y_k > A - eps$. Then for every x after $y_k$ in original sequence it's also true since sequence is monotone.Also, for every x there exists an y which stands further in $(x_n)$. Then every $x$ is $< A$. Then the sequence converges to A. (It was for increasing sequence, for decreasing anlogically).







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              Suppose $(x_n)$ is monotone and contains a convergent subsequence $(x_{n_i}).$



              Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is convergent, it is bounded above by some upper bound $b in mathbb{N},$ that is, $x_{n_i} leq b,$ $forall i in mathbb{N}.$



              Suppose $(x_n)$ is divergent. Given its monotonicity, it follows that $(x_n)$ is unbounded, that is, $forall M in mathbb{N},$ $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > M$ (at some point "$N$," the sequence passes the boundary $M$ for any boundary $M in mathbb{N}).$ If $(x_n)$ is bounded, it is necessarily the case that $(x_n),$ given that it is monotone increasing, IS convergent (you can prove this).



              So, $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > b.$



              Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is bounded above by $b,$ this means that $forall i in mathbb{N},$ $n_i < N.$



              Hence, as by definition of a subsequence it is the case that $n_1 < n_2 < cdots n_i,$ the subsequence $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements (at most $N - 1$ elements).



              However, a subsequence is defined as a function whose domain is the natural numbers. Given that $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements, its domain is a finite, proper subset of the natural numbers, that is, its domain is not the natural numbers. Contradiction.



              Therefore, $(x_n)$ is convergent.






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                Suppose $(x_n)$ is monotone and contains a convergent subsequence $(x_{n_i}).$



                Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is convergent, it is bounded above by some upper bound $b in mathbb{N},$ that is, $x_{n_i} leq b,$ $forall i in mathbb{N}.$



                Suppose $(x_n)$ is divergent. Given its monotonicity, it follows that $(x_n)$ is unbounded, that is, $forall M in mathbb{N},$ $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > M$ (at some point "$N$," the sequence passes the boundary $M$ for any boundary $M in mathbb{N}).$ If $(x_n)$ is bounded, it is necessarily the case that $(x_n),$ given that it is monotone increasing, IS convergent (you can prove this).



                So, $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > b.$



                Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is bounded above by $b,$ this means that $forall i in mathbb{N},$ $n_i < N.$



                Hence, as by definition of a subsequence it is the case that $n_1 < n_2 < cdots n_i,$ the subsequence $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements (at most $N - 1$ elements).



                However, a subsequence is defined as a function whose domain is the natural numbers. Given that $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements, its domain is a finite, proper subset of the natural numbers, that is, its domain is not the natural numbers. Contradiction.



                Therefore, $(x_n)$ is convergent.






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                  Suppose $(x_n)$ is monotone and contains a convergent subsequence $(x_{n_i}).$



                  Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is convergent, it is bounded above by some upper bound $b in mathbb{N},$ that is, $x_{n_i} leq b,$ $forall i in mathbb{N}.$



                  Suppose $(x_n)$ is divergent. Given its monotonicity, it follows that $(x_n)$ is unbounded, that is, $forall M in mathbb{N},$ $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > M$ (at some point "$N$," the sequence passes the boundary $M$ for any boundary $M in mathbb{N}).$ If $(x_n)$ is bounded, it is necessarily the case that $(x_n),$ given that it is monotone increasing, IS convergent (you can prove this).



                  So, $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > b.$



                  Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is bounded above by $b,$ this means that $forall i in mathbb{N},$ $n_i < N.$



                  Hence, as by definition of a subsequence it is the case that $n_1 < n_2 < cdots n_i,$ the subsequence $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements (at most $N - 1$ elements).



                  However, a subsequence is defined as a function whose domain is the natural numbers. Given that $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements, its domain is a finite, proper subset of the natural numbers, that is, its domain is not the natural numbers. Contradiction.



                  Therefore, $(x_n)$ is convergent.






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                  Suppose $(x_n)$ is monotone and contains a convergent subsequence $(x_{n_i}).$



                  Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is convergent, it is bounded above by some upper bound $b in mathbb{N},$ that is, $x_{n_i} leq b,$ $forall i in mathbb{N}.$



                  Suppose $(x_n)$ is divergent. Given its monotonicity, it follows that $(x_n)$ is unbounded, that is, $forall M in mathbb{N},$ $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > M$ (at some point "$N$," the sequence passes the boundary $M$ for any boundary $M in mathbb{N}).$ If $(x_n)$ is bounded, it is necessarily the case that $(x_n),$ given that it is monotone increasing, IS convergent (you can prove this).



                  So, $exists N in mathbb{N}$ such that $forall n geq N$ it follows that $x_n > b.$



                  Given that $(x_{n_i})$ is bounded above by $b,$ this means that $forall i in mathbb{N},$ $n_i < N.$



                  Hence, as by definition of a subsequence it is the case that $n_1 < n_2 < cdots n_i,$ the subsequence $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements (at most $N - 1$ elements).



                  However, a subsequence is defined as a function whose domain is the natural numbers. Given that $(x_{n_i})$ contains fewer than $N$ elements, its domain is a finite, proper subset of the natural numbers, that is, its domain is not the natural numbers. Contradiction.



                  Therefore, $(x_n)$ is convergent.







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