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The question asks me to find the number of roots of $ z^6 - 5z^4 + 8z - 1 $ in the domain $ |z| < 2 $. This looks like a Rouché's theorem question, however $ |z^6 + 8z - 1| leq 81 $ while $ |-5z^4| = 80 $. How do I solve this question?
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The question asks me to find the number of roots of $ z^6 - 5z^4 + 8z - 1 $ in the domain $ |z| < 2 $. This looks like a Rouché's theorem question, however $ |z^6 + 8z - 1| leq 81 $ while $ |-5z^4| = 80 $. How do I solve this question?
complex-analysis
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
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– LutzL
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So maybe this is not Rouché's theorem?
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The question asks me to find the number of roots of $ z^6 - 5z^4 + 8z - 1 $ in the domain $ |z| < 2 $. This looks like a Rouché's theorem question, however $ |z^6 + 8z - 1| leq 81 $ while $ |-5z^4| = 80 $. How do I solve this question?
complex-analysis
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
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The question asks me to find the number of roots of $ z^6 - 5z^4 + 8z - 1 $ in the domain $ |z| < 2 $. This looks like a Rouché's theorem question, however $ |z^6 + 8z - 1| leq 81 $ while $ |-5z^4| = 80 $. How do I solve this question?
complex-analysis
complex-analysis
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
edited Jan 6 at 12:01
lifeishard911
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
asked Jan 6 at 9:29
lifeishard911lifeishard911
1166
1166
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
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– LutzL
Jan 6 at 11:59
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So maybe this is not Rouché's theorem?
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– lifeishard911
Jan 6 at 12:02
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
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– LutzL
Jan 6 at 11:59
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So maybe this is not Rouché's theorem?
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– lifeishard911
Jan 6 at 12:02
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
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– LutzL
Jan 6 at 11:59
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
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– LutzL
Jan 6 at 11:59
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So maybe this is not Rouché's theorem?
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– lifeishard911
Jan 6 at 12:02
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So maybe this is not Rouché's theorem?
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– lifeishard911
Jan 6 at 12:02
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
plot of the function values on the circle of radius $2$
Graphically, I find that with $g(z)=-4z^4+8z-1$ the inequality $$|f(z)|+|g(z)|ge 2+|f(z)-g(z)|tag{*}label{ineq:rouche}$$ holds for $|z|=2$. $g$ has all its 4 roots inside $|z|<2$. This allows to apply a version of Rouché where $f$ and $g$ have the same number of roots if $|f|+|g|>|f-g|$. Of course, only after closing the hole in the argumentation by strictly proving the claimed inequality eqref{ineq:rouche}.
The roots of $g$ are actually quite close to the roots of $f$, as the plot of the roots of $tf(z)+(1-t)g(z)=tz^6-(4+t)z^4+8z-1$ shows:
answered Jan 6 at 13:38
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
plot of the function values on the circle of radius $2$
Graphically, I find that with $g(z)=-4z^4+8z-1$ the inequality $$|f(z)|+|g(z)|ge 2+|f(z)-g(z)|tag{*}label{ineq:rouche}$$ holds for $|z|=2$. $g$ has all its 4 roots inside $|z|<2$. This allows to apply a version of Rouché where $f$ and $g$ have the same number of roots if $|f|+|g|>|f-g|$. Of course, only after closing the hole in the argumentation by strictly proving the claimed inequality eqref{ineq:rouche}.
The roots of $g$ are actually quite close to the roots of $f$, as the plot of the roots of $tf(z)+(1-t)g(z)=tz^6-(4+t)z^4+8z-1$ shows:
answered Jan 6 at 13:38
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
plot of the function values on the circle of radius $2$
Graphically, I find that with $g(z)=-4z^4+8z-1$ the inequality $$|f(z)|+|g(z)|ge 2+|f(z)-g(z)|tag{*}label{ineq:rouche}$$ holds for $|z|=2$. $g$ has all its 4 roots inside $|z|<2$. This allows to apply a version of Rouché where $f$ and $g$ have the same number of roots if $|f|+|g|>|f-g|$. Of course, only after closing the hole in the argumentation by strictly proving the claimed inequality eqref{ineq:rouche}.
The roots of $g$ are actually quite close to the roots of $f$, as the plot of the roots of $tf(z)+(1-t)g(z)=tz^6-(4+t)z^4+8z-1$ shows:
answered Jan 6 at 13:38
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
plot of the function values on the circle of radius $2$
Graphically, I find that with $g(z)=-4z^4+8z-1$ the inequality $$|f(z)|+|g(z)|ge 2+|f(z)-g(z)|tag{*}label{ineq:rouche}$$ holds for $|z|=2$. $g$ has all its 4 roots inside $|z|<2$. This allows to apply a version of Rouché where $f$ and $g$ have the same number of roots if $|f|+|g|>|f-g|$. Of course, only after closing the hole in the argumentation by strictly proving the claimed inequality eqref{ineq:rouche}.
The roots of $g$ are actually quite close to the roots of $f$, as the plot of the roots of $tf(z)+(1-t)g(z)=tz^6-(4+t)z^4+8z-1$ shows:
answered Jan 6 at 13:38
LutzLLutzL
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
plot of the function values on the circle of radius $2$
Graphically, I find that with $g(z)=-4z^4+8z-1$ the inequality $$|f(z)|+|g(z)|ge 2+|f(z)-g(z)|tag{*}label{ineq:rouche}$$ holds for $|z|=2$. $g$ has all its 4 roots inside $|z|<2$. This allows to apply a version of Rouché where $f$ and $g$ have the same number of roots if $|f|+|g|>|f-g|$. Of course, only after closing the hole in the argumentation by strictly proving the claimed inequality eqref{ineq:rouche}.
The roots of $g$ are actually quite close to the roots of $f$, as the plot of the roots of $tf(z)+(1-t)g(z)=tz^6-(4+t)z^4+8z-1$ shows:
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A naive Newton-polygon-type analysis finds 2 roots close to $z=pmsqrt5$, 3 roots at about $z=q^ksqrt[3]{frac85}$ and one root close to $z=frac18$, thus $4$ roots inside $|z|<2$. Numerics moves the root guessed at $sqrt5$ to $z=2.02332..$, making the application of Rouché for the circle $|z|=2$ non-trivial.
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So maybe this is not Rouché's theorem?
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– lifeishard911
Jan 6 at 12:02