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Given a family of 2D curves, find a 3D manifold whose geodesics project to the plane curves
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Below is an image of the family of 2D curves for reference. The image is arbitrary. Still trying to formulate a concise question.
I know that the geodesics for flat Euclidean Space are straight lines. But I want to take these curved geodesics and tried to work backwards to determine the geometry of the manifold that results from these geodesic paths going across it. I can't really visualise the manifold because there's a lot going on. So how would I build up a representation of the manifold that matches up with these geodesics running across it? What would the steps be to calculate the metric of this space? Is there enough information given by the geodesics to provide a good representation of the manifold? Any other interesting questions you could ask about this graph? What topological information could I learn from these geodesics?
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If the projection of geodesics from a 2-manifold to the plane were realized below, the 2-manifold would look basically like a 2-sphere right? Does this give any insight as to what the 3-manifold could be?
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asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
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Below is an image of the family of 2D curves for reference. The image is arbitrary. Still trying to formulate a concise question.
I know that the geodesics for flat Euclidean Space are straight lines. But I want to take these curved geodesics and tried to work backwards to determine the geometry of the manifold that results from these geodesic paths going across it. I can't really visualise the manifold because there's a lot going on. So how would I build up a representation of the manifold that matches up with these geodesics running across it? What would the steps be to calculate the metric of this space? Is there enough information given by the geodesics to provide a good representation of the manifold? Any other interesting questions you could ask about this graph? What topological information could I learn from these geodesics?
Edit:
If the projection of geodesics from a 2-manifold to the plane were realized below, the 2-manifold would look basically like a 2-sphere right? Does this give any insight as to what the 3-manifold could be?
general-topology differential-geometry manifolds general-relativity manifolds-with-boundary
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
UltradarkUltradark
2281517
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"Project" in what sense? From $(x,y,z)$ to $(x,y)$?
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:28
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Yeah let's go with that
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– Ultradark
May 27 '18 at 22:33
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Geodesics' curvature/acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the surface. So you can try to visualize the surface in 3D from this 2D picture by having its normal vector point in the same general direction as the geodesics' curvature. I don't think that's enough information, though.
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:39
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How did you get these curves? Is the pictured plane supposed to be the $(u,v)$ plane, for some coordinate system on the surface? That's different from orthogonal projection.
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:42
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Only a hunch this.. geodesics on a minimal surface film formed between two pipes cutting orthogonally may produce such geodesics. The geodesics around minimum radii should be tangential to a common circle of the pipe.
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– Narasimham
May 30 '18 at 9:42
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Below is an image of the family of 2D curves for reference. The image is arbitrary. Still trying to formulate a concise question.
I know that the geodesics for flat Euclidean Space are straight lines. But I want to take these curved geodesics and tried to work backwards to determine the geometry of the manifold that results from these geodesic paths going across it. I can't really visualise the manifold because there's a lot going on. So how would I build up a representation of the manifold that matches up with these geodesics running across it? What would the steps be to calculate the metric of this space? Is there enough information given by the geodesics to provide a good representation of the manifold? Any other interesting questions you could ask about this graph? What topological information could I learn from these geodesics?
Edit:
If the projection of geodesics from a 2-manifold to the plane were realized below, the 2-manifold would look basically like a 2-sphere right? Does this give any insight as to what the 3-manifold could be?
general-topology differential-geometry manifolds general-relativity manifolds-with-boundary
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
UltradarkUltradark
2281517
$endgroup$
Below is an image of the family of 2D curves for reference. The image is arbitrary. Still trying to formulate a concise question.
I know that the geodesics for flat Euclidean Space are straight lines. But I want to take these curved geodesics and tried to work backwards to determine the geometry of the manifold that results from these geodesic paths going across it. I can't really visualise the manifold because there's a lot going on. So how would I build up a representation of the manifold that matches up with these geodesics running across it? What would the steps be to calculate the metric of this space? Is there enough information given by the geodesics to provide a good representation of the manifold? Any other interesting questions you could ask about this graph? What topological information could I learn from these geodesics?
Edit:
If the projection of geodesics from a 2-manifold to the plane were realized below, the 2-manifold would look basically like a 2-sphere right? Does this give any insight as to what the 3-manifold could be?
general-topology differential-geometry manifolds general-relativity manifolds-with-boundary
general-topology differential-geometry manifolds general-relativity manifolds-with-boundary
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
UltradarkUltradark
2281517
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
UltradarkUltradark
2281517
edited Jan 16 at 23:54
Ultradark
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
UltradarkUltradark
2281517
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
UltradarkUltradark
2281517
asked May 27 '18 at 22:20
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"Project" in what sense? From $(x,y,z)$ to $(x,y)$?
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:28
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Yeah let's go with that
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– Ultradark
May 27 '18 at 22:33
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Geodesics' curvature/acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the surface. So you can try to visualize the surface in 3D from this 2D picture by having its normal vector point in the same general direction as the geodesics' curvature. I don't think that's enough information, though.
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:39
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How did you get these curves? Is the pictured plane supposed to be the $(u,v)$ plane, for some coordinate system on the surface? That's different from orthogonal projection.
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:42
1
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Only a hunch this.. geodesics on a minimal surface film formed between two pipes cutting orthogonally may produce such geodesics. The geodesics around minimum radii should be tangential to a common circle of the pipe.
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– Narasimham
May 30 '18 at 9:42
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show 4 more comments
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"Project" in what sense? From $(x,y,z)$ to $(x,y)$?
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:28
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Yeah let's go with that
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– Ultradark
May 27 '18 at 22:33
1
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Geodesics' curvature/acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the surface. So you can try to visualize the surface in 3D from this 2D picture by having its normal vector point in the same general direction as the geodesics' curvature. I don't think that's enough information, though.
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:39
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How did you get these curves? Is the pictured plane supposed to be the $(u,v)$ plane, for some coordinate system on the surface? That's different from orthogonal projection.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:42
1
$begingroup$
Only a hunch this.. geodesics on a minimal surface film formed between two pipes cutting orthogonally may produce such geodesics. The geodesics around minimum radii should be tangential to a common circle of the pipe.
$endgroup$
– Narasimham
May 30 '18 at 9:42
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"Project" in what sense? From $(x,y,z)$ to $(x,y)$?
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:28
$begingroup$
"Project" in what sense? From $(x,y,z)$ to $(x,y)$?
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:28
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Yeah let's go with that
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– Ultradark
May 27 '18 at 22:33
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Yeah let's go with that
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– Ultradark
May 27 '18 at 22:33
1
1
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Geodesics' curvature/acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the surface. So you can try to visualize the surface in 3D from this 2D picture by having its normal vector point in the same general direction as the geodesics' curvature. I don't think that's enough information, though.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:39
$begingroup$
Geodesics' curvature/acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the surface. So you can try to visualize the surface in 3D from this 2D picture by having its normal vector point in the same general direction as the geodesics' curvature. I don't think that's enough information, though.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:39
$begingroup$
How did you get these curves? Is the pictured plane supposed to be the $(u,v)$ plane, for some coordinate system on the surface? That's different from orthogonal projection.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:42
$begingroup$
How did you get these curves? Is the pictured plane supposed to be the $(u,v)$ plane, for some coordinate system on the surface? That's different from orthogonal projection.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:42
1
1
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Only a hunch this.. geodesics on a minimal surface film formed between two pipes cutting orthogonally may produce such geodesics. The geodesics around minimum radii should be tangential to a common circle of the pipe.
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– Narasimham
May 30 '18 at 9:42
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Only a hunch this.. geodesics on a minimal surface film formed between two pipes cutting orthogonally may produce such geodesics. The geodesics around minimum radii should be tangential to a common circle of the pipe.
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– Narasimham
May 30 '18 at 9:42
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"Project" in what sense? From $(x,y,z)$ to $(x,y)$?
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– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:28
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Yeah let's go with that
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– Ultradark
May 27 '18 at 22:33
1
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Geodesics' curvature/acceleration vector is always perpendicular to the surface. So you can try to visualize the surface in 3D from this 2D picture by having its normal vector point in the same general direction as the geodesics' curvature. I don't think that's enough information, though.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:39
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How did you get these curves? Is the pictured plane supposed to be the $(u,v)$ plane, for some coordinate system on the surface? That's different from orthogonal projection.
$endgroup$
– mr_e_man
May 27 '18 at 22:42
1
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Only a hunch this.. geodesics on a minimal surface film formed between two pipes cutting orthogonally may produce such geodesics. The geodesics around minimum radii should be tangential to a common circle of the pipe.
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– Narasimham
May 30 '18 at 9:42