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What chord does C, E, G♭ , and B♭ make?
You can use whatever note, but we can use C. Unfortunately, I don't know what the root position would be in this case, so I will lay them out as positions. I used intervals, too.
Position 1: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 2: Root, major second, major third, major second.
Position 3: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 4. Root, major second, major third, major second.
I thought it could be some kind of augmented chord, as it has that augmented quality, but if it were an augmented seventh, wouldn't it be something like
Root, major third, major third, major second?
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You can use whatever note, but we can use C. Unfortunately, I don't know what the root position would be in this case, so I will lay them out as positions. I used intervals, too.
Position 1: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 2: Root, major second, major third, major second.
Position 3: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 4. Root, major second, major third, major second.
I thought it could be some kind of augmented chord, as it has that augmented quality, but if it were an augmented seventh, wouldn't it be something like
Root, major third, major third, major second?
theory chords chord-theory harmony identification
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You can use whatever note, but we can use C. Unfortunately, I don't know what the root position would be in this case, so I will lay them out as positions. I used intervals, too.
Position 1: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 2: Root, major second, major third, major second.
Position 3: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 4. Root, major second, major third, major second.
I thought it could be some kind of augmented chord, as it has that augmented quality, but if it were an augmented seventh, wouldn't it be something like
Root, major third, major third, major second?
theory chords chord-theory harmony identification
edited Jan 16 at 20:00
Richard
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HeavenlyHarmonyHeavenlyHarmony
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You can use whatever note, but we can use C. Unfortunately, I don't know what the root position would be in this case, so I will lay them out as positions. I used intervals, too.
Position 1: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 2: Root, major second, major third, major second.
Position 3: Root, major third, major second, major third.
Position 4. Root, major second, major third, major second.
I thought it could be some kind of augmented chord, as it has that augmented quality, but if it were an augmented seventh, wouldn't it be something like
Root, major third, major third, major second?
theory chords chord-theory harmony identification
theory chords chord-theory harmony identification
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As is so often the case in music, a label depends on how something is functioning in context. There are several possibilities for this chord, and they can resolve variously to (at least) chords on B, F, E, or B♭. Prepare for a bit of an onslaught!
1. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in E
Technically speaking, your listing of Root, major third, major second, major third actually results in C E F♯ A♯, because the major second above E is F♯ and not G♭. As such, you're looking at a French augmented-sixth chord. These chords tend to move to V (here, B), and so this chord is in the key of E:
2. Altered V7 in F
But if these pitches must be C E G♭ B♭, then it's an altered V7 in F. The V7 chord in F major is C E G B♭. But around the middle of the 19th century, composers started making adjustments to the members of the V7 chord; typically, these adjustments allowed for a smoother resolution to I. One common adjustment was to alter the chordal fifth, either by raising it or lowering it a half step. In this case, we can view this chord as a V7 with a lowered chordal fifth, or V7♭5. In so doing, the G♭ resolves smoothly by half step to F (compare that to what is normally a whole step from G♮ to F).
Those two are the most likely explanations, especially if you consider C to be the bass. But there are a few other options:
3. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in B♭
One of the fascinating things about the French augmented-sixth is that it's symmetrical: it's two major thirds separated by tritone. Using your given pitches (and not the enharmonic ones in Explanation 1), we have an augmented-sixth chord not in E, but in B♭! But this requires G♭ to be in the bass. Once again, this chord will resolve to the dominant (V), which in B♭ will be F.
4. An Altered V7 in B
If we combine the enharmonic spelling of Explanation 1 with the harmonic function in Explanation 2, this can be viewed as a V7♭5 in B:
5. A "FrV4/3" in F
We can mix these altered dominant and augmented-sixth explanations to create yet more: one is an altered dominant (much like Explanations 2 and 4) that has G♭ in the bass (like Explanations 3 and 4).
The "French V4/3" is a V7 chord (in F, C is the root) with a lowered chordal fifth (G♭) in second inversion (this G♭ is the bass). A normal V7 in second inversion is labeled a V43, but since this lowered chordal fifth makes it enharmonic to a French augmented-sixth chord, we call it a FrV4/3.
The chord still resolves to F, but now it's understood that F is tonic (like in Explanation 2), not dominant (like in Explanations 3). The resolution is the same as in Explanation 3.
6. A "FrV4/3" in B
Lastly, the harmonic function of Explanation 5 meets the enharmonic spelling of Explanations 1 and 4: a FrV4/3 in B. This looks and sounds the same as Explanation 1, but the B chord is understood as tonic instead of dominant.
answered Jan 16 at 18:56
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In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
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If you write C7b5 a pianist or guitarist will play the right notes. Or Gb(F#)7b5.
If you want a functional description, you'll need to show it in context, HAVING a function. There's a couple of tritones in there, either of which could power a resolution in two different directions!
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
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Building off several of the existing answers, but putting it explicitly into a jazz context...
C#m7 C♮7b5 B6
iim7 bII7b5 I6
...the second chord is the C E Gb Bb and would be a tritone substitution for the normal V7 in the common jazz progression iim7 V7 I6.
The enharmonic respelling of C E F♯ A♯ a French Augmented Sixth chord (in Richard's first example) would be the commonest functional use in 'classical' music.
Because the various spellings can be confusing, it's worth noting a French Augmented Sixth chord is an alteration of the more basic progression iiø43 V. In E minor that would be F# half diminished in second inversion, with the A tone raised. In terms of the E minor scale the 4th scale degree is altered by being raised with a sharp.
- start with
iiø7
- put it in second inversion
- raise the
Awith a sharp and resolve toV
It may take some time to wrap your head around the idea of augmented sixth chords, but I think it helps demystify them by recognizing their basic functions as inversions and alterations of either iiø7 or iv7 resolving to V in a minor key.
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
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This is a French Augmented 6th chord (Fr⁶).
Depending on the inversion used, the Minor 7th interval (C - B♭) tends to expand to an octave, while the inner voices resolve to the desired quality (ie. B Major).
answered Jan 16 at 18:57
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In addition to the ones already suggested, my first-choice instinctive interpretation was:
F# dominant that wants to resolve to a B tonic chord like Bm6. It's either missing the bass, or has a tritone substitution.
or:
D dominant that wants to resolve to a G tonic chord like G6. Try it, sounds very nice! D or G# bass note fits in very easily, but it doesn't necessarily need any added bass note.
or:
Ab dominant that wants to resolve to a Db tonic chord like Db6. (Thanks Richard)
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I absolutely don't mean to insult the other amazingly thought-out, detailed, researched and presented answers, but I am shocked that no one has posted the most natural answer (ie. the one VERY common in all contemporary, jazz, etc. music). Yes, of course you can interpret chords in any number of ways, but if you play C E G on a piano without context, and someone asks you "what's the name of this chord? It sounds happy", the correct answer is "that IS a C major triad". Answering "well MAYBE you're hearing an E minor #5 2nd inversion..." is misleading at best.
Similarly: this chord is a C7#11 (C dominant 7 with a #11 (NOT a b5)). The #11 likely explains the "augmented" quality you are noting.
In jazz (and the myriad of modern genres which inherit its harmony), "shell voicings" (the major/minor 3rd and major/minor 7th of the root) are used to define the quality of a chord (with the root note in the bass, of course). The 5th is usually left out, as it is generally not considered as "jazzy". Playing a root, major 3rd and minor 7th is a dominant chord 99.99% of the time. #11 is an incredibly common extension for dominant 7 chords.
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
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I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
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As is so often the case in music, a label depends on how something is functioning in context. There are several possibilities for this chord, and they can resolve variously to (at least) chords on B, F, E, or B♭. Prepare for a bit of an onslaught!
1. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in E
Technically speaking, your listing of Root, major third, major second, major third actually results in C E F♯ A♯, because the major second above E is F♯ and not G♭. As such, you're looking at a French augmented-sixth chord. These chords tend to move to V (here, B), and so this chord is in the key of E:
2. Altered V7 in F
But if these pitches must be C E G♭ B♭, then it's an altered V7 in F. The V7 chord in F major is C E G B♭. But around the middle of the 19th century, composers started making adjustments to the members of the V7 chord; typically, these adjustments allowed for a smoother resolution to I. One common adjustment was to alter the chordal fifth, either by raising it or lowering it a half step. In this case, we can view this chord as a V7 with a lowered chordal fifth, or V7♭5. In so doing, the G♭ resolves smoothly by half step to F (compare that to what is normally a whole step from G♮ to F).
Those two are the most likely explanations, especially if you consider C to be the bass. But there are a few other options:
3. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in B♭
One of the fascinating things about the French augmented-sixth is that it's symmetrical: it's two major thirds separated by tritone. Using your given pitches (and not the enharmonic ones in Explanation 1), we have an augmented-sixth chord not in E, but in B♭! But this requires G♭ to be in the bass. Once again, this chord will resolve to the dominant (V), which in B♭ will be F.
4. An Altered V7 in B
If we combine the enharmonic spelling of Explanation 1 with the harmonic function in Explanation 2, this can be viewed as a V7♭5 in B:
5. A "FrV4/3" in F
We can mix these altered dominant and augmented-sixth explanations to create yet more: one is an altered dominant (much like Explanations 2 and 4) that has G♭ in the bass (like Explanations 3 and 4).
The "French V4/3" is a V7 chord (in F, C is the root) with a lowered chordal fifth (G♭) in second inversion (this G♭ is the bass). A normal V7 in second inversion is labeled a V43, but since this lowered chordal fifth makes it enharmonic to a French augmented-sixth chord, we call it a FrV4/3.
The chord still resolves to F, but now it's understood that F is tonic (like in Explanation 2), not dominant (like in Explanations 3). The resolution is the same as in Explanation 3.
6. A "FrV4/3" in B
Lastly, the harmonic function of Explanation 5 meets the enharmonic spelling of Explanations 1 and 4: a FrV4/3 in B. This looks and sounds the same as Explanation 1, but the B chord is understood as tonic instead of dominant.
answered Jan 16 at 18:56
RichardRichard
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In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
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As is so often the case in music, a label depends on how something is functioning in context. There are several possibilities for this chord, and they can resolve variously to (at least) chords on B, F, E, or B♭. Prepare for a bit of an onslaught!
1. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in E
Technically speaking, your listing of Root, major third, major second, major third actually results in C E F♯ A♯, because the major second above E is F♯ and not G♭. As such, you're looking at a French augmented-sixth chord. These chords tend to move to V (here, B), and so this chord is in the key of E:
2. Altered V7 in F
But if these pitches must be C E G♭ B♭, then it's an altered V7 in F. The V7 chord in F major is C E G B♭. But around the middle of the 19th century, composers started making adjustments to the members of the V7 chord; typically, these adjustments allowed for a smoother resolution to I. One common adjustment was to alter the chordal fifth, either by raising it or lowering it a half step. In this case, we can view this chord as a V7 with a lowered chordal fifth, or V7♭5. In so doing, the G♭ resolves smoothly by half step to F (compare that to what is normally a whole step from G♮ to F).
Those two are the most likely explanations, especially if you consider C to be the bass. But there are a few other options:
3. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in B♭
One of the fascinating things about the French augmented-sixth is that it's symmetrical: it's two major thirds separated by tritone. Using your given pitches (and not the enharmonic ones in Explanation 1), we have an augmented-sixth chord not in E, but in B♭! But this requires G♭ to be in the bass. Once again, this chord will resolve to the dominant (V), which in B♭ will be F.
4. An Altered V7 in B
If we combine the enharmonic spelling of Explanation 1 with the harmonic function in Explanation 2, this can be viewed as a V7♭5 in B:
5. A "FrV4/3" in F
We can mix these altered dominant and augmented-sixth explanations to create yet more: one is an altered dominant (much like Explanations 2 and 4) that has G♭ in the bass (like Explanations 3 and 4).
The "French V4/3" is a V7 chord (in F, C is the root) with a lowered chordal fifth (G♭) in second inversion (this G♭ is the bass). A normal V7 in second inversion is labeled a V43, but since this lowered chordal fifth makes it enharmonic to a French augmented-sixth chord, we call it a FrV4/3.
The chord still resolves to F, but now it's understood that F is tonic (like in Explanation 2), not dominant (like in Explanations 3). The resolution is the same as in Explanation 3.
6. A "FrV4/3" in B
Lastly, the harmonic function of Explanation 5 meets the enharmonic spelling of Explanations 1 and 4: a FrV4/3 in B. This looks and sounds the same as Explanation 1, but the B chord is understood as tonic instead of dominant.
answered Jan 16 at 18:56
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In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
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As is so often the case in music, a label depends on how something is functioning in context. There are several possibilities for this chord, and they can resolve variously to (at least) chords on B, F, E, or B♭. Prepare for a bit of an onslaught!
1. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in E
Technically speaking, your listing of Root, major third, major second, major third actually results in C E F♯ A♯, because the major second above E is F♯ and not G♭. As such, you're looking at a French augmented-sixth chord. These chords tend to move to V (here, B), and so this chord is in the key of E:
2. Altered V7 in F
But if these pitches must be C E G♭ B♭, then it's an altered V7 in F. The V7 chord in F major is C E G B♭. But around the middle of the 19th century, composers started making adjustments to the members of the V7 chord; typically, these adjustments allowed for a smoother resolution to I. One common adjustment was to alter the chordal fifth, either by raising it or lowering it a half step. In this case, we can view this chord as a V7 with a lowered chordal fifth, or V7♭5. In so doing, the G♭ resolves smoothly by half step to F (compare that to what is normally a whole step from G♮ to F).
Those two are the most likely explanations, especially if you consider C to be the bass. But there are a few other options:
3. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in B♭
One of the fascinating things about the French augmented-sixth is that it's symmetrical: it's two major thirds separated by tritone. Using your given pitches (and not the enharmonic ones in Explanation 1), we have an augmented-sixth chord not in E, but in B♭! But this requires G♭ to be in the bass. Once again, this chord will resolve to the dominant (V), which in B♭ will be F.
4. An Altered V7 in B
If we combine the enharmonic spelling of Explanation 1 with the harmonic function in Explanation 2, this can be viewed as a V7♭5 in B:
5. A "FrV4/3" in F
We can mix these altered dominant and augmented-sixth explanations to create yet more: one is an altered dominant (much like Explanations 2 and 4) that has G♭ in the bass (like Explanations 3 and 4).
The "French V4/3" is a V7 chord (in F, C is the root) with a lowered chordal fifth (G♭) in second inversion (this G♭ is the bass). A normal V7 in second inversion is labeled a V43, but since this lowered chordal fifth makes it enharmonic to a French augmented-sixth chord, we call it a FrV4/3.
The chord still resolves to F, but now it's understood that F is tonic (like in Explanation 2), not dominant (like in Explanations 3). The resolution is the same as in Explanation 3.
6. A "FrV4/3" in B
Lastly, the harmonic function of Explanation 5 meets the enharmonic spelling of Explanations 1 and 4: a FrV4/3 in B. This looks and sounds the same as Explanation 1, but the B chord is understood as tonic instead of dominant.
answered Jan 16 at 18:56
RichardRichard
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As is so often the case in music, a label depends on how something is functioning in context. There are several possibilities for this chord, and they can resolve variously to (at least) chords on B, F, E, or B♭. Prepare for a bit of an onslaught!
1. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in E
Technically speaking, your listing of Root, major third, major second, major third actually results in C E F♯ A♯, because the major second above E is F♯ and not G♭. As such, you're looking at a French augmented-sixth chord. These chords tend to move to V (here, B), and so this chord is in the key of E:
2. Altered V7 in F
But if these pitches must be C E G♭ B♭, then it's an altered V7 in F. The V7 chord in F major is C E G B♭. But around the middle of the 19th century, composers started making adjustments to the members of the V7 chord; typically, these adjustments allowed for a smoother resolution to I. One common adjustment was to alter the chordal fifth, either by raising it or lowering it a half step. In this case, we can view this chord as a V7 with a lowered chordal fifth, or V7♭5. In so doing, the G♭ resolves smoothly by half step to F (compare that to what is normally a whole step from G♮ to F).
Those two are the most likely explanations, especially if you consider C to be the bass. But there are a few other options:
3. A French Augmented-Sixth Chord in B♭
One of the fascinating things about the French augmented-sixth is that it's symmetrical: it's two major thirds separated by tritone. Using your given pitches (and not the enharmonic ones in Explanation 1), we have an augmented-sixth chord not in E, but in B♭! But this requires G♭ to be in the bass. Once again, this chord will resolve to the dominant (V), which in B♭ will be F.
4. An Altered V7 in B
If we combine the enharmonic spelling of Explanation 1 with the harmonic function in Explanation 2, this can be viewed as a V7♭5 in B:
5. A "FrV4/3" in F
We can mix these altered dominant and augmented-sixth explanations to create yet more: one is an altered dominant (much like Explanations 2 and 4) that has G♭ in the bass (like Explanations 3 and 4).
The "French V4/3" is a V7 chord (in F, C is the root) with a lowered chordal fifth (G♭) in second inversion (this G♭ is the bass). A normal V7 in second inversion is labeled a V43, but since this lowered chordal fifth makes it enharmonic to a French augmented-sixth chord, we call it a FrV4/3.
The chord still resolves to F, but now it's understood that F is tonic (like in Explanation 2), not dominant (like in Explanations 3). The resolution is the same as in Explanation 3.
6. A "FrV4/3" in B
Lastly, the harmonic function of Explanation 5 meets the enharmonic spelling of Explanations 1 and 4: a FrV4/3 in B. This looks and sounds the same as Explanation 1, but the B chord is understood as tonic instead of dominant.
answered Jan 16 at 18:56
RichardRichard
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In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
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In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
In my ear the chord can also resolve to a B or G based tonic.
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 19:58
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
And it could resolve to D♭ just as easily as it resolves to G! It's a great chord, and very versatile.
– Richard
Jan 16 at 19:59
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
Oh, resolving to D♭6 or D♭m6, really nice! :)
– piiperi
Jan 16 at 20:02
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
In explanation 5, you said FrV43. I understand Fr to mean French, V to mean a chord in the fifth degree, but I'm not sure what 43 refers to. Is this a figured base notation, in which case it would be V4/3? Also, why are these chords named after the country, E.G. Italian, French and German? Thanks!
– HeavenlyHarmony
Jan 16 at 20:13
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
@HeavenlyHarmony Yes, the 4/3 is figured bass; I'll edit in a slash to make that more clear. The national names don't really mean anything, and they have nothing to do with the countries. It's just tradition to call them that! See also music.stackexchange.com/questions/20334/…
– Richard
Jan 16 at 20:16
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If you write C7b5 a pianist or guitarist will play the right notes. Or Gb(F#)7b5.
If you want a functional description, you'll need to show it in context, HAVING a function. There's a couple of tritones in there, either of which could power a resolution in two different directions!
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
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If you write C7b5 a pianist or guitarist will play the right notes. Or Gb(F#)7b5.
If you want a functional description, you'll need to show it in context, HAVING a function. There's a couple of tritones in there, either of which could power a resolution in two different directions!
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
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I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
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If you write C7b5 a pianist or guitarist will play the right notes. Or Gb(F#)7b5.
If you want a functional description, you'll need to show it in context, HAVING a function. There's a couple of tritones in there, either of which could power a resolution in two different directions!
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
34.7k1664
If you write C7b5 a pianist or guitarist will play the right notes. Or Gb(F#)7b5.
If you want a functional description, you'll need to show it in context, HAVING a function. There's a couple of tritones in there, either of which could power a resolution in two different directions!
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
34.7k1664
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
34.7k1664
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
34.7k1664
answered Jan 16 at 19:51
Laurence PayneLaurence Payne
34.7k1664
34.7k1664
I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
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I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
I like that you point out the tri-tone sub. +1
– ggcg
Jan 16 at 20:00
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Building off several of the existing answers, but putting it explicitly into a jazz context...
C#m7 C♮7b5 B6
iim7 bII7b5 I6
...the second chord is the C E Gb Bb and would be a tritone substitution for the normal V7 in the common jazz progression iim7 V7 I6.
The enharmonic respelling of C E F♯ A♯ a French Augmented Sixth chord (in Richard's first example) would be the commonest functional use in 'classical' music.
Because the various spellings can be confusing, it's worth noting a French Augmented Sixth chord is an alteration of the more basic progression iiø43 V. In E minor that would be F# half diminished in second inversion, with the A tone raised. In terms of the E minor scale the 4th scale degree is altered by being raised with a sharp.
- start with
iiø7
- put it in second inversion
- raise the
Awith a sharp and resolve toV
It may take some time to wrap your head around the idea of augmented sixth chords, but I think it helps demystify them by recognizing their basic functions as inversions and alterations of either iiø7 or iv7 resolving to V in a minor key.
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
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Building off several of the existing answers, but putting it explicitly into a jazz context...
C#m7 C♮7b5 B6
iim7 bII7b5 I6
...the second chord is the C E Gb Bb and would be a tritone substitution for the normal V7 in the common jazz progression iim7 V7 I6.
The enharmonic respelling of C E F♯ A♯ a French Augmented Sixth chord (in Richard's first example) would be the commonest functional use in 'classical' music.
Because the various spellings can be confusing, it's worth noting a French Augmented Sixth chord is an alteration of the more basic progression iiø43 V. In E minor that would be F# half diminished in second inversion, with the A tone raised. In terms of the E minor scale the 4th scale degree is altered by being raised with a sharp.
- start with
iiø7
- put it in second inversion
- raise the
Awith a sharp and resolve toV
It may take some time to wrap your head around the idea of augmented sixth chords, but I think it helps demystify them by recognizing their basic functions as inversions and alterations of either iiø7 or iv7 resolving to V in a minor key.
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
8,129531
add a comment |
Building off several of the existing answers, but putting it explicitly into a jazz context...
C#m7 C♮7b5 B6
iim7 bII7b5 I6
...the second chord is the C E Gb Bb and would be a tritone substitution for the normal V7 in the common jazz progression iim7 V7 I6.
The enharmonic respelling of C E F♯ A♯ a French Augmented Sixth chord (in Richard's first example) would be the commonest functional use in 'classical' music.
Because the various spellings can be confusing, it's worth noting a French Augmented Sixth chord is an alteration of the more basic progression iiø43 V. In E minor that would be F# half diminished in second inversion, with the A tone raised. In terms of the E minor scale the 4th scale degree is altered by being raised with a sharp.
- start with
iiø7
- put it in second inversion
- raise the
Awith a sharp and resolve toV
It may take some time to wrap your head around the idea of augmented sixth chords, but I think it helps demystify them by recognizing their basic functions as inversions and alterations of either iiø7 or iv7 resolving to V in a minor key.
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
8,129531
Building off several of the existing answers, but putting it explicitly into a jazz context...
C#m7 C♮7b5 B6
iim7 bII7b5 I6
...the second chord is the C E Gb Bb and would be a tritone substitution for the normal V7 in the common jazz progression iim7 V7 I6.
The enharmonic respelling of C E F♯ A♯ a French Augmented Sixth chord (in Richard's first example) would be the commonest functional use in 'classical' music.
Because the various spellings can be confusing, it's worth noting a French Augmented Sixth chord is an alteration of the more basic progression iiø43 V. In E minor that would be F# half diminished in second inversion, with the A tone raised. In terms of the E minor scale the 4th scale degree is altered by being raised with a sharp.
- start with
iiø7
- put it in second inversion
- raise the
Awith a sharp and resolve toV
It may take some time to wrap your head around the idea of augmented sixth chords, but I think it helps demystify them by recognizing their basic functions as inversions and alterations of either iiø7 or iv7 resolving to V in a minor key.
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
8,129531
edited Jan 16 at 21:17
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
8,129531
answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
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answered Jan 16 at 20:43
Michael CurtisMichael Curtis
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This is a French Augmented 6th chord (Fr⁶).
Depending on the inversion used, the Minor 7th interval (C - B♭) tends to expand to an octave, while the inner voices resolve to the desired quality (ie. B Major).
answered Jan 16 at 18:57
Richard BarberRichard Barber
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This is a French Augmented 6th chord (Fr⁶).
Depending on the inversion used, the Minor 7th interval (C - B♭) tends to expand to an octave, while the inner voices resolve to the desired quality (ie. B Major).
answered Jan 16 at 18:57
Richard BarberRichard Barber
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This is a French Augmented 6th chord (Fr⁶).
Depending on the inversion used, the Minor 7th interval (C - B♭) tends to expand to an octave, while the inner voices resolve to the desired quality (ie. B Major).
answered Jan 16 at 18:57
Richard BarberRichard Barber
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This is a French Augmented 6th chord (Fr⁶).
Depending on the inversion used, the Minor 7th interval (C - B♭) tends to expand to an octave, while the inner voices resolve to the desired quality (ie. B Major).
answered Jan 16 at 18:57
Richard BarberRichard Barber
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answered Jan 16 at 18:57
Richard BarberRichard Barber
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answered Jan 16 at 18:57
Richard BarberRichard Barber
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Richard BarberRichard Barber
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In addition to the ones already suggested, my first-choice instinctive interpretation was:
F# dominant that wants to resolve to a B tonic chord like Bm6. It's either missing the bass, or has a tritone substitution.
or:
D dominant that wants to resolve to a G tonic chord like G6. Try it, sounds very nice! D or G# bass note fits in very easily, but it doesn't necessarily need any added bass note.
or:
Ab dominant that wants to resolve to a Db tonic chord like Db6. (Thanks Richard)
answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
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In addition to the ones already suggested, my first-choice instinctive interpretation was:
F# dominant that wants to resolve to a B tonic chord like Bm6. It's either missing the bass, or has a tritone substitution.
or:
D dominant that wants to resolve to a G tonic chord like G6. Try it, sounds very nice! D or G# bass note fits in very easily, but it doesn't necessarily need any added bass note.
or:
Ab dominant that wants to resolve to a Db tonic chord like Db6. (Thanks Richard)
answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
1,774210
add a comment |
In addition to the ones already suggested, my first-choice instinctive interpretation was:
F# dominant that wants to resolve to a B tonic chord like Bm6. It's either missing the bass, or has a tritone substitution.
or:
D dominant that wants to resolve to a G tonic chord like G6. Try it, sounds very nice! D or G# bass note fits in very easily, but it doesn't necessarily need any added bass note.
or:
Ab dominant that wants to resolve to a Db tonic chord like Db6. (Thanks Richard)
answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
1,774210
In addition to the ones already suggested, my first-choice instinctive interpretation was:
F# dominant that wants to resolve to a B tonic chord like Bm6. It's either missing the bass, or has a tritone substitution.
or:
D dominant that wants to resolve to a G tonic chord like G6. Try it, sounds very nice! D or G# bass note fits in very easily, but it doesn't necessarily need any added bass note.
or:
Ab dominant that wants to resolve to a Db tonic chord like Db6. (Thanks Richard)
answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
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edited Jan 16 at 20:05
answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
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answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
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answered Jan 16 at 19:39
piiperipiiperi
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I absolutely don't mean to insult the other amazingly thought-out, detailed, researched and presented answers, but I am shocked that no one has posted the most natural answer (ie. the one VERY common in all contemporary, jazz, etc. music). Yes, of course you can interpret chords in any number of ways, but if you play C E G on a piano without context, and someone asks you "what's the name of this chord? It sounds happy", the correct answer is "that IS a C major triad". Answering "well MAYBE you're hearing an E minor #5 2nd inversion..." is misleading at best.
Similarly: this chord is a C7#11 (C dominant 7 with a #11 (NOT a b5)). The #11 likely explains the "augmented" quality you are noting.
In jazz (and the myriad of modern genres which inherit its harmony), "shell voicings" (the major/minor 3rd and major/minor 7th of the root) are used to define the quality of a chord (with the root note in the bass, of course). The 5th is usually left out, as it is generally not considered as "jazzy". Playing a root, major 3rd and minor 7th is a dominant chord 99.99% of the time. #11 is an incredibly common extension for dominant 7 chords.
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
add a comment |
I absolutely don't mean to insult the other amazingly thought-out, detailed, researched and presented answers, but I am shocked that no one has posted the most natural answer (ie. the one VERY common in all contemporary, jazz, etc. music). Yes, of course you can interpret chords in any number of ways, but if you play C E G on a piano without context, and someone asks you "what's the name of this chord? It sounds happy", the correct answer is "that IS a C major triad". Answering "well MAYBE you're hearing an E minor #5 2nd inversion..." is misleading at best.
Similarly: this chord is a C7#11 (C dominant 7 with a #11 (NOT a b5)). The #11 likely explains the "augmented" quality you are noting.
In jazz (and the myriad of modern genres which inherit its harmony), "shell voicings" (the major/minor 3rd and major/minor 7th of the root) are used to define the quality of a chord (with the root note in the bass, of course). The 5th is usually left out, as it is generally not considered as "jazzy". Playing a root, major 3rd and minor 7th is a dominant chord 99.99% of the time. #11 is an incredibly common extension for dominant 7 chords.
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
add a comment |
I absolutely don't mean to insult the other amazingly thought-out, detailed, researched and presented answers, but I am shocked that no one has posted the most natural answer (ie. the one VERY common in all contemporary, jazz, etc. music). Yes, of course you can interpret chords in any number of ways, but if you play C E G on a piano without context, and someone asks you "what's the name of this chord? It sounds happy", the correct answer is "that IS a C major triad". Answering "well MAYBE you're hearing an E minor #5 2nd inversion..." is misleading at best.
Similarly: this chord is a C7#11 (C dominant 7 with a #11 (NOT a b5)). The #11 likely explains the "augmented" quality you are noting.
In jazz (and the myriad of modern genres which inherit its harmony), "shell voicings" (the major/minor 3rd and major/minor 7th of the root) are used to define the quality of a chord (with the root note in the bass, of course). The 5th is usually left out, as it is generally not considered as "jazzy". Playing a root, major 3rd and minor 7th is a dominant chord 99.99% of the time. #11 is an incredibly common extension for dominant 7 chords.
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
I absolutely don't mean to insult the other amazingly thought-out, detailed, researched and presented answers, but I am shocked that no one has posted the most natural answer (ie. the one VERY common in all contemporary, jazz, etc. music). Yes, of course you can interpret chords in any number of ways, but if you play C E G on a piano without context, and someone asks you "what's the name of this chord? It sounds happy", the correct answer is "that IS a C major triad". Answering "well MAYBE you're hearing an E minor #5 2nd inversion..." is misleading at best.
Similarly: this chord is a C7#11 (C dominant 7 with a #11 (NOT a b5)). The #11 likely explains the "augmented" quality you are noting.
In jazz (and the myriad of modern genres which inherit its harmony), "shell voicings" (the major/minor 3rd and major/minor 7th of the root) are used to define the quality of a chord (with the root note in the bass, of course). The 5th is usually left out, as it is generally not considered as "jazzy". Playing a root, major 3rd and minor 7th is a dominant chord 99.99% of the time. #11 is an incredibly common extension for dominant 7 chords.
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
answered Jan 17 at 11:26
JaseJase
171
171
I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
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I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
I'm not buying it. Spelled as in the question title, as C-E-Gb-Bb, the chord is a C7b5. Spelled as suggested by the first interval formula, as C-E-F#-A#, the chord might be a C(add #11, #13) or some such thing. But none of the spellings provided give a C7#11, though you could certainly think of the chord this way. OP seems to have problems naming intervals, which has lead to some inconsistencies in the question. C7#11 is a good possibility given this inconsistency, but no better than the others. And, jazz players play plenty of 5ths, especially b5s.
– David Bowling
Jan 17 at 17:40
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
The interval formula/enharmonics given by the OP are irrelevant. They want to know the chord quality they hear from these four notes. If they don't know the chord, how can they know the correct enharmonics? #13 is as reasonable an assumption as calling the 3rd a b4. My statement regarding the trend of removing 5ths was pertaining to natural 5ths. You are correct to point out C7b5, which is another common chord, but the OP mentioned it has an augmented quality, which fits C7#11 but doesn't at all fit C7b5 (which is closer to a diminished chord).
– Jase
Jan 18 at 12:54
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