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What is the meaning of below verses from Vishnu yamala and are similar verses found in any other tantras?
Sanatana Goswami, a Gaudiya Vaishnava acharya quoted in his book Hari Bhakti Vilas, a smrti text for Gaudya Vaishnavas the following verses from Vishnu Yamala in the beginning of 5th Vilasa.
Agamoktena mArgeNa bhagavAn brAhmaNair api | sadaiva pUjyo.ato lekhyaH
prAya Agamiko vidhiH ||3||
tathA ca viShNu-yAmale— kR^ite shruty-ukta-mArgaH syAt tretAyAM
smR^iti-bhAvitaH | dvApare tu purANoktaH kalAv Agama-sambhavaH ||4||
ashuddhAH shUdrAkalpA hi brAhmaNAH kali-sambhavAH | teShAm
Agama-mArgeNa shuddhir na shrauta-vartmanA ||5||
Commentaryof
sanAtanaH: teShAm Agama-mArgeNa shrauta-vartmanety anena tair api
Agamika-vidhinaiva pUjA kAryeti bhAvaH | tathA caikAdasha-skandhe [BhP
11.5.31] nAnA-tantra-vidhAnena kalAv api tathA shR^iNu iti | tatra shrIdhara-svAmi-pAdAH—nAnA-tantra-vidhAneneti kalau tantra-mArgasya
prAdhAnyaM darshayati iti ||3-5||
Hindi translation is here:
In Satya yuga, Vedic rules, in Treta smarta method, in Dvapara through puranas, and in Kali rules prescribed by Agamas are to be followed.
The worship of Bhagavan is done following tantras primarily in Kali yuga and purification happens through this only.
And in Kali yuga, Brahmanas are impure like sudras and purification happens through methods prescribed in tantras not Vedic rules.
Does it mean that the process prescribed in other yugas are completely ineffective? Are the similar type of verses found in any other tantras?
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Sanatana Goswami, a Gaudiya Vaishnava acharya quoted in his book Hari Bhakti Vilas, a smrti text for Gaudya Vaishnavas the following verses from Vishnu Yamala in the beginning of 5th Vilasa.
Agamoktena mArgeNa bhagavAn brAhmaNair api | sadaiva pUjyo.ato lekhyaH
prAya Agamiko vidhiH ||3||
tathA ca viShNu-yAmale— kR^ite shruty-ukta-mArgaH syAt tretAyAM
smR^iti-bhAvitaH | dvApare tu purANoktaH kalAv Agama-sambhavaH ||4||
ashuddhAH shUdrAkalpA hi brAhmaNAH kali-sambhavAH | teShAm
Agama-mArgeNa shuddhir na shrauta-vartmanA ||5||
Commentaryof
sanAtanaH: teShAm Agama-mArgeNa shrauta-vartmanety anena tair api
Agamika-vidhinaiva pUjA kAryeti bhAvaH | tathA caikAdasha-skandhe [BhP
11.5.31] nAnA-tantra-vidhAnena kalAv api tathA shR^iNu iti | tatra shrIdhara-svAmi-pAdAH—nAnA-tantra-vidhAneneti kalau tantra-mArgasya
prAdhAnyaM darshayati iti ||3-5||
Hindi translation is here:
In Satya yuga, Vedic rules, in Treta smarta method, in Dvapara through puranas, and in Kali rules prescribed by Agamas are to be followed.
The worship of Bhagavan is done following tantras primarily in Kali yuga and purification happens through this only.
And in Kali yuga, Brahmanas are impure like sudras and purification happens through methods prescribed in tantras not Vedic rules.
Does it mean that the process prescribed in other yugas are completely ineffective? Are the similar type of verses found in any other tantras?
tantra
Yes in Mahanirvana Tantra also, similar thing is told.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:30
Vishnu Yāmala is a Bhairava Agama.
– Mr. Sigma.
Jan 29 at 12:54
1
Its recommended to adopt agamic path but does not mean denouncing Vedic path. As Vedas are eternal and agamas also trace origins from Vedas.
– Rakesh Joshi
Jan 29 at 17:39
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Sanatana Goswami, a Gaudiya Vaishnava acharya quoted in his book Hari Bhakti Vilas, a smrti text for Gaudya Vaishnavas the following verses from Vishnu Yamala in the beginning of 5th Vilasa.
Agamoktena mArgeNa bhagavAn brAhmaNair api | sadaiva pUjyo.ato lekhyaH
prAya Agamiko vidhiH ||3||
tathA ca viShNu-yAmale— kR^ite shruty-ukta-mArgaH syAt tretAyAM
smR^iti-bhAvitaH | dvApare tu purANoktaH kalAv Agama-sambhavaH ||4||
ashuddhAH shUdrAkalpA hi brAhmaNAH kali-sambhavAH | teShAm
Agama-mArgeNa shuddhir na shrauta-vartmanA ||5||
Commentaryof
sanAtanaH: teShAm Agama-mArgeNa shrauta-vartmanety anena tair api
Agamika-vidhinaiva pUjA kAryeti bhAvaH | tathA caikAdasha-skandhe [BhP
11.5.31] nAnA-tantra-vidhAnena kalAv api tathA shR^iNu iti | tatra shrIdhara-svAmi-pAdAH—nAnA-tantra-vidhAneneti kalau tantra-mArgasya
prAdhAnyaM darshayati iti ||3-5||
Hindi translation is here:
In Satya yuga, Vedic rules, in Treta smarta method, in Dvapara through puranas, and in Kali rules prescribed by Agamas are to be followed.
The worship of Bhagavan is done following tantras primarily in Kali yuga and purification happens through this only.
And in Kali yuga, Brahmanas are impure like sudras and purification happens through methods prescribed in tantras not Vedic rules.
Does it mean that the process prescribed in other yugas are completely ineffective? Are the similar type of verses found in any other tantras?
tantra
Sanatana Goswami, a Gaudiya Vaishnava acharya quoted in his book Hari Bhakti Vilas, a smrti text for Gaudya Vaishnavas the following verses from Vishnu Yamala in the beginning of 5th Vilasa.
Agamoktena mArgeNa bhagavAn brAhmaNair api | sadaiva pUjyo.ato lekhyaH
prAya Agamiko vidhiH ||3||
tathA ca viShNu-yAmale— kR^ite shruty-ukta-mArgaH syAt tretAyAM
smR^iti-bhAvitaH | dvApare tu purANoktaH kalAv Agama-sambhavaH ||4||
ashuddhAH shUdrAkalpA hi brAhmaNAH kali-sambhavAH | teShAm
Agama-mArgeNa shuddhir na shrauta-vartmanA ||5||
Commentaryof
sanAtanaH: teShAm Agama-mArgeNa shrauta-vartmanety anena tair api
Agamika-vidhinaiva pUjA kAryeti bhAvaH | tathA caikAdasha-skandhe [BhP
11.5.31] nAnA-tantra-vidhAnena kalAv api tathA shR^iNu iti | tatra shrIdhara-svAmi-pAdAH—nAnA-tantra-vidhAneneti kalau tantra-mArgasya
prAdhAnyaM darshayati iti ||3-5||
Hindi translation is here:
In Satya yuga, Vedic rules, in Treta smarta method, in Dvapara through puranas, and in Kali rules prescribed by Agamas are to be followed.
The worship of Bhagavan is done following tantras primarily in Kali yuga and purification happens through this only.
And in Kali yuga, Brahmanas are impure like sudras and purification happens through methods prescribed in tantras not Vedic rules.
Does it mean that the process prescribed in other yugas are completely ineffective? Are the similar type of verses found in any other tantras?
tantra
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asked Jan 29 at 9:04
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Yes in Mahanirvana Tantra also, similar thing is told.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:30
Vishnu Yāmala is a Bhairava Agama.
– Mr. Sigma.
Jan 29 at 12:54
1
Its recommended to adopt agamic path but does not mean denouncing Vedic path. As Vedas are eternal and agamas also trace origins from Vedas.
– Rakesh Joshi
Jan 29 at 17:39
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Yes in Mahanirvana Tantra also, similar thing is told.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:30
Vishnu Yāmala is a Bhairava Agama.
– Mr. Sigma.
Jan 29 at 12:54
1
Its recommended to adopt agamic path but does not mean denouncing Vedic path. As Vedas are eternal and agamas also trace origins from Vedas.
– Rakesh Joshi
Jan 29 at 17:39
Yes in Mahanirvana Tantra also, similar thing is told.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:30
Yes in Mahanirvana Tantra also, similar thing is told.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:30
Vishnu Yāmala is a Bhairava Agama.
– Mr. Sigma.
Jan 29 at 12:54
Vishnu Yāmala is a Bhairava Agama.
– Mr. Sigma.
Jan 29 at 12:54
1
1
Its recommended to adopt agamic path but does not mean denouncing Vedic path. As Vedas are eternal and agamas also trace origins from Vedas.
– Rakesh Joshi
Jan 29 at 17:39
Its recommended to adopt agamic path but does not mean denouncing Vedic path. As Vedas are eternal and agamas also trace origins from Vedas.
– Rakesh Joshi
Jan 29 at 17:39
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Yes similar verses are there in other Tantras.
The Brihat TantrasAra quotes verses from the scripture called TArA Pradip:
TArA Pradip:
Agamokta vidhAnena kalau devAn yajet sudhih |
Nahi devAh
prasidanti kalau chAnya vidhAnatah ||
Krite shrutyukto mArgah syAt
tretAyAm smriti sambhabah ||
DwApare tu purAnoktoh kalAvAgama
sammatah |
AshudhAh shudra karmAno brAhmanAh kalisambhavAh ||
TeshAmAgam mArgena siddhirna shrauta vartmanA ||
In Kali Yuga, the wise should perform deity worship as per the rules
prescribed in the Agamas. In Kali Yuga the deities are not pleased if
worshipped by any other methods. In Satya Yuga the Veda prescribed
methods are to be followed; in TretA those of Smritis; in DwApara the
methods given in PurAnas should be followed but in Kali Yuga only
Agama prescribed methods should be followed. In Kali Yuga, the
BrAhmins are impure and they are of Shudra like conduct. That's why, besides
the Agama prescribed rites, they do not have rights over Veda prescribed
rites.
The MahAnirvAna Tantram's chapter 1 also has similar verses:
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield
immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such
practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were
efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are
now as powerless as snakes, the poison−fangs of which are drawn and
are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras
have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on
a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it
is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16−17). He who
in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a
thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he
who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with
nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda
plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this
life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20)
answered Jan 29 at 9:46
RickrossRickross
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Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
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Similar thing is also there mentioned in Mahanirvana_Tantra :
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are now as powerless as snakes, the poison-fangs of which are drawn and are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16-17). He who in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20). From my mouth have issued the several Tantras with their sacred legends and practices both for Siddhas and Sadhakas (21). At times, O My Beloved! by reason of the great number of men of the pashu disposition, as also of the diversity of the qualifications of men, it has been said that the Dharmma spoken of in the Kulachara Scriptures should be kept secret (22). But some portions of this Dharmma, O Beloved! have been revealed by Me with the object of inclining the minds of men thereto. Various kinds of Devata and worshippers are mentioned therein, such as Bhairava, Vetala, Vatuka, Nayika, Shaktas, Shaivas, Vaishnavas, Sauras, Ganapatyas, and others. In them, too, are described various Mantra and Yantra which aid men in the attainment of siddhi, and which, though they demand great and constant effort, yet yield the desired fruit (23-25). Hitherto My answer has been given according to the nature of the case and the questioner, and for his individual benefit only (26).
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Yes similar verses are there in other Tantras.
The Brihat TantrasAra quotes verses from the scripture called TArA Pradip:
TArA Pradip:
Agamokta vidhAnena kalau devAn yajet sudhih |
Nahi devAh
prasidanti kalau chAnya vidhAnatah ||
Krite shrutyukto mArgah syAt
tretAyAm smriti sambhabah ||
DwApare tu purAnoktoh kalAvAgama
sammatah |
AshudhAh shudra karmAno brAhmanAh kalisambhavAh ||
TeshAmAgam mArgena siddhirna shrauta vartmanA ||
In Kali Yuga, the wise should perform deity worship as per the rules
prescribed in the Agamas. In Kali Yuga the deities are not pleased if
worshipped by any other methods. In Satya Yuga the Veda prescribed
methods are to be followed; in TretA those of Smritis; in DwApara the
methods given in PurAnas should be followed but in Kali Yuga only
Agama prescribed methods should be followed. In Kali Yuga, the
BrAhmins are impure and they are of Shudra like conduct. That's why, besides
the Agama prescribed rites, they do not have rights over Veda prescribed
rites.
The MahAnirvAna Tantram's chapter 1 also has similar verses:
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield
immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such
practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were
efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are
now as powerless as snakes, the poison−fangs of which are drawn and
are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras
have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on
a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it
is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16−17). He who
in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a
thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he
who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with
nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda
plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this
life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20)
answered Jan 29 at 9:46
RickrossRickross
54.4k380192
Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
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Yes similar verses are there in other Tantras.
The Brihat TantrasAra quotes verses from the scripture called TArA Pradip:
TArA Pradip:
Agamokta vidhAnena kalau devAn yajet sudhih |
Nahi devAh
prasidanti kalau chAnya vidhAnatah ||
Krite shrutyukto mArgah syAt
tretAyAm smriti sambhabah ||
DwApare tu purAnoktoh kalAvAgama
sammatah |
AshudhAh shudra karmAno brAhmanAh kalisambhavAh ||
TeshAmAgam mArgena siddhirna shrauta vartmanA ||
In Kali Yuga, the wise should perform deity worship as per the rules
prescribed in the Agamas. In Kali Yuga the deities are not pleased if
worshipped by any other methods. In Satya Yuga the Veda prescribed
methods are to be followed; in TretA those of Smritis; in DwApara the
methods given in PurAnas should be followed but in Kali Yuga only
Agama prescribed methods should be followed. In Kali Yuga, the
BrAhmins are impure and they are of Shudra like conduct. That's why, besides
the Agama prescribed rites, they do not have rights over Veda prescribed
rites.
The MahAnirvAna Tantram's chapter 1 also has similar verses:
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield
immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such
practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were
efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are
now as powerless as snakes, the poison−fangs of which are drawn and
are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras
have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on
a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it
is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16−17). He who
in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a
thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he
who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with
nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda
plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this
life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20)
answered Jan 29 at 9:46
RickrossRickross
54.4k380192
Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
|
show 12 more comments
Yes similar verses are there in other Tantras.
The Brihat TantrasAra quotes verses from the scripture called TArA Pradip:
TArA Pradip:
Agamokta vidhAnena kalau devAn yajet sudhih |
Nahi devAh
prasidanti kalau chAnya vidhAnatah ||
Krite shrutyukto mArgah syAt
tretAyAm smriti sambhabah ||
DwApare tu purAnoktoh kalAvAgama
sammatah |
AshudhAh shudra karmAno brAhmanAh kalisambhavAh ||
TeshAmAgam mArgena siddhirna shrauta vartmanA ||
In Kali Yuga, the wise should perform deity worship as per the rules
prescribed in the Agamas. In Kali Yuga the deities are not pleased if
worshipped by any other methods. In Satya Yuga the Veda prescribed
methods are to be followed; in TretA those of Smritis; in DwApara the
methods given in PurAnas should be followed but in Kali Yuga only
Agama prescribed methods should be followed. In Kali Yuga, the
BrAhmins are impure and they are of Shudra like conduct. That's why, besides
the Agama prescribed rites, they do not have rights over Veda prescribed
rites.
The MahAnirvAna Tantram's chapter 1 also has similar verses:
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield
immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such
practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were
efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are
now as powerless as snakes, the poison−fangs of which are drawn and
are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras
have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on
a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it
is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16−17). He who
in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a
thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he
who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with
nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda
plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this
life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20)
answered Jan 29 at 9:46
RickrossRickross
54.4k380192
Yes similar verses are there in other Tantras.
The Brihat TantrasAra quotes verses from the scripture called TArA Pradip:
TArA Pradip:
Agamokta vidhAnena kalau devAn yajet sudhih |
Nahi devAh
prasidanti kalau chAnya vidhAnatah ||
Krite shrutyukto mArgah syAt
tretAyAm smriti sambhabah ||
DwApare tu purAnoktoh kalAvAgama
sammatah |
AshudhAh shudra karmAno brAhmanAh kalisambhavAh ||
TeshAmAgam mArgena siddhirna shrauta vartmanA ||
In Kali Yuga, the wise should perform deity worship as per the rules
prescribed in the Agamas. In Kali Yuga the deities are not pleased if
worshipped by any other methods. In Satya Yuga the Veda prescribed
methods are to be followed; in TretA those of Smritis; in DwApara the
methods given in PurAnas should be followed but in Kali Yuga only
Agama prescribed methods should be followed. In Kali Yuga, the
BrAhmins are impure and they are of Shudra like conduct. That's why, besides
the Agama prescribed rites, they do not have rights over Veda prescribed
rites.
The MahAnirvAna Tantram's chapter 1 also has similar verses:
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield
immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such
practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were
efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are
now as powerless as snakes, the poison−fangs of which are drawn and
are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras
have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on
a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it
is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16−17). He who
in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a
thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he
who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with
nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda
plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this
life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20)
answered Jan 29 at 9:46
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Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
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Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Add this one too.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:47
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Which one? Can not understand
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:48
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
Click on the text "this one"
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:49
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
That is just a comment? @TheLittleNaruto
– Rickross
Jan 29 at 9:50
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
So, is this instruction related to Deity worship standards?
– user16618
Jan 29 at 9:52
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Similar thing is also there mentioned in Mahanirvana_Tantra :
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are now as powerless as snakes, the poison-fangs of which are drawn and are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16-17). He who in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20). From my mouth have issued the several Tantras with their sacred legends and practices both for Siddhas and Sadhakas (21). At times, O My Beloved! by reason of the great number of men of the pashu disposition, as also of the diversity of the qualifications of men, it has been said that the Dharmma spoken of in the Kulachara Scriptures should be kept secret (22). But some portions of this Dharmma, O Beloved! have been revealed by Me with the object of inclining the minds of men thereto. Various kinds of Devata and worshippers are mentioned therein, such as Bhairava, Vetala, Vatuka, Nayika, Shaktas, Shaivas, Vaishnavas, Sauras, Ganapatyas, and others. In them, too, are described various Mantra and Yantra which aid men in the attainment of siddhi, and which, though they demand great and constant effort, yet yield the desired fruit (23-25). Hitherto My answer has been given according to the nature of the case and the questioner, and for his individual benefit only (26).
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Similar thing is also there mentioned in Mahanirvana_Tantra :
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are now as powerless as snakes, the poison-fangs of which are drawn and are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16-17). He who in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20). From my mouth have issued the several Tantras with their sacred legends and practices both for Siddhas and Sadhakas (21). At times, O My Beloved! by reason of the great number of men of the pashu disposition, as also of the diversity of the qualifications of men, it has been said that the Dharmma spoken of in the Kulachara Scriptures should be kept secret (22). But some portions of this Dharmma, O Beloved! have been revealed by Me with the object of inclining the minds of men thereto. Various kinds of Devata and worshippers are mentioned therein, such as Bhairava, Vetala, Vatuka, Nayika, Shaktas, Shaivas, Vaishnavas, Sauras, Ganapatyas, and others. In them, too, are described various Mantra and Yantra which aid men in the attainment of siddhi, and which, though they demand great and constant effort, yet yield the desired fruit (23-25). Hitherto My answer has been given according to the nature of the case and the questioner, and for his individual benefit only (26).
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Similar thing is also there mentioned in Mahanirvana_Tantra :
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are now as powerless as snakes, the poison-fangs of which are drawn and are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16-17). He who in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20). From my mouth have issued the several Tantras with their sacred legends and practices both for Siddhas and Sadhakas (21). At times, O My Beloved! by reason of the great number of men of the pashu disposition, as also of the diversity of the qualifications of men, it has been said that the Dharmma spoken of in the Kulachara Scriptures should be kept secret (22). But some portions of this Dharmma, O Beloved! have been revealed by Me with the object of inclining the minds of men thereto. Various kinds of Devata and worshippers are mentioned therein, such as Bhairava, Vetala, Vatuka, Nayika, Shaktas, Shaivas, Vaishnavas, Sauras, Ganapatyas, and others. In them, too, are described various Mantra and Yantra which aid men in the attainment of siddhi, and which, though they demand great and constant effort, yet yield the desired fruit (23-25). Hitherto My answer has been given according to the nature of the case and the questioner, and for his individual benefit only (26).
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Similar thing is also there mentioned in Mahanirvana_Tantra :
In this Age the Mantras of the Tantras are efficacious, yield immediate fruit, and are auspicious for Japa, Yajna, and all such practices and ceremonies (14). The Vedic rites and Mantras which were efficacious in the First Age have ceased to be so in this. They are now as powerless as snakes, the poison-fangs of which are drawn and are like to that which is dead (15). The whole heap of other Mantras have no more power than the organs of sense of some pictured image on a wall. To worship with the aid of other Mantras is as fruitless as it is to cohabit with a barren woman. The labour is lost (16-17). He who in this Age seeks salvation by ways prescribed by others is like a thirsty fool who digs a well on the bank of the Jahnavi (18), and he who, knowing My Dharmma, craves for any other is as one who with nectar in his house yet longs for the poisonous juice of the akanda plant (19). No other path is there to salvation and happiness in this life or in that to come like unto that shown by the Tantras (20). From my mouth have issued the several Tantras with their sacred legends and practices both for Siddhas and Sadhakas (21). At times, O My Beloved! by reason of the great number of men of the pashu disposition, as also of the diversity of the qualifications of men, it has been said that the Dharmma spoken of in the Kulachara Scriptures should be kept secret (22). But some portions of this Dharmma, O Beloved! have been revealed by Me with the object of inclining the minds of men thereto. Various kinds of Devata and worshippers are mentioned therein, such as Bhairava, Vetala, Vatuka, Nayika, Shaktas, Shaivas, Vaishnavas, Sauras, Ganapatyas, and others. In them, too, are described various Mantra and Yantra which aid men in the attainment of siddhi, and which, though they demand great and constant effort, yet yield the desired fruit (23-25). Hitherto My answer has been given according to the nature of the case and the questioner, and for his individual benefit only (26).
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Yes in Mahanirvana Tantra also, similar thing is told.
– TheLittleNaruto
Jan 29 at 9:30
Vishnu Yāmala is a Bhairava Agama.
– Mr. Sigma.
Jan 29 at 12:54
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Its recommended to adopt agamic path but does not mean denouncing Vedic path. As Vedas are eternal and agamas also trace origins from Vedas.
– Rakesh Joshi
Jan 29 at 17:39