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Thoughts on proofs
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I am a math and statistics 1st year student.
Calculus, linear algebra, etc I am very good at and do well. This semester I have a mathematical reasoning proof class which I am really struggling with. It is a completely different way of thinking in my opinion and I enjoy it, but struggle.
It has only been 2 weeks since I started this class, but even with some of the basics of Euclud's infinitely many number of primes proof and some absolute value proofs I am spending hours to fully understand.
Anyway, my question is does it get easier and should I be putting this much time into understand basic proofs when in a couple of weeks they will probably be very easy to understand as the progression of any type of learning usually ends up this way.
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Jack Pfaffinger
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JohnJohn
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I am a math and statistics 1st year student.
Calculus, linear algebra, etc I am very good at and do well. This semester I have a mathematical reasoning proof class which I am really struggling with. It is a completely different way of thinking in my opinion and I enjoy it, but struggle.
It has only been 2 weeks since I started this class, but even with some of the basics of Euclud's infinitely many number of primes proof and some absolute value proofs I am spending hours to fully understand.
Anyway, my question is does it get easier and should I be putting this much time into understand basic proofs when in a couple of weeks they will probably be very easy to understand as the progression of any type of learning usually ends up this way.
soft-question
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
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Your question could be more objectively / less vaguely stated as: Do proofs of [whatever category] become easier to understand, and what are the benefits to learning them now as opposed to waiting until they progressively become easier?
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:31
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Was that really a necessary comment?
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– John
Jan 22 at 0:32
3
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Your question seems a little bit like asking: should I be practicing running, when in a couple of weeks I can run much further. Well... You won't be able to run much further if you don't practice now first, so yes it is important to put in effort to understand the basic proofs now. It doesn't get easier if you don't.
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– Slugger
Jan 22 at 0:37
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My advice: go to office hours. Writing proofs is a social activity, because it is about communication. To learn to write proofs, it really helps to have a human walk you through the process and address your specific misconceptions.
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– Jair Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:43
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It was a suggestion on how to improve your question since you’re new here. Highly objective questions are received the best. I actually was one of the three people who have thus far upvoted your post (it has one downvote). I promise I’m not your enemy.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 5:13
add a comment |
$begingroup$
I am a math and statistics 1st year student.
Calculus, linear algebra, etc I am very good at and do well. This semester I have a mathematical reasoning proof class which I am really struggling with. It is a completely different way of thinking in my opinion and I enjoy it, but struggle.
It has only been 2 weeks since I started this class, but even with some of the basics of Euclud's infinitely many number of primes proof and some absolute value proofs I am spending hours to fully understand.
Anyway, my question is does it get easier and should I be putting this much time into understand basic proofs when in a couple of weeks they will probably be very easy to understand as the progression of any type of learning usually ends up this way.
soft-question
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
$endgroup$
I am a math and statistics 1st year student.
Calculus, linear algebra, etc I am very good at and do well. This semester I have a mathematical reasoning proof class which I am really struggling with. It is a completely different way of thinking in my opinion and I enjoy it, but struggle.
It has only been 2 weeks since I started this class, but even with some of the basics of Euclud's infinitely many number of primes proof and some absolute value proofs I am spending hours to fully understand.
Anyway, my question is does it get easier and should I be putting this much time into understand basic proofs when in a couple of weeks they will probably be very easy to understand as the progression of any type of learning usually ends up this way.
soft-question
soft-question
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
edited Jan 22 at 0:14
Jack Pfaffinger
374112
374112
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
asked Jan 22 at 0:11
JohnJohn
446
446
1
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Your question could be more objectively / less vaguely stated as: Do proofs of [whatever category] become easier to understand, and what are the benefits to learning them now as opposed to waiting until they progressively become easier?
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:31
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Was that really a necessary comment?
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– John
Jan 22 at 0:32
3
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Your question seems a little bit like asking: should I be practicing running, when in a couple of weeks I can run much further. Well... You won't be able to run much further if you don't practice now first, so yes it is important to put in effort to understand the basic proofs now. It doesn't get easier if you don't.
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– Slugger
Jan 22 at 0:37
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My advice: go to office hours. Writing proofs is a social activity, because it is about communication. To learn to write proofs, it really helps to have a human walk you through the process and address your specific misconceptions.
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– Jair Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:43
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It was a suggestion on how to improve your question since you’re new here. Highly objective questions are received the best. I actually was one of the three people who have thus far upvoted your post (it has one downvote). I promise I’m not your enemy.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 5:13
add a comment |
1
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Your question could be more objectively / less vaguely stated as: Do proofs of [whatever category] become easier to understand, and what are the benefits to learning them now as opposed to waiting until they progressively become easier?
$endgroup$
– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:31
$begingroup$
Was that really a necessary comment?
$endgroup$
– John
Jan 22 at 0:32
3
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Your question seems a little bit like asking: should I be practicing running, when in a couple of weeks I can run much further. Well... You won't be able to run much further if you don't practice now first, so yes it is important to put in effort to understand the basic proofs now. It doesn't get easier if you don't.
$endgroup$
– Slugger
Jan 22 at 0:37
$begingroup$
My advice: go to office hours. Writing proofs is a social activity, because it is about communication. To learn to write proofs, it really helps to have a human walk you through the process and address your specific misconceptions.
$endgroup$
– Jair Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:43
$begingroup$
It was a suggestion on how to improve your question since you’re new here. Highly objective questions are received the best. I actually was one of the three people who have thus far upvoted your post (it has one downvote). I promise I’m not your enemy.
$endgroup$
– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 5:13
1
1
$begingroup$
Your question could be more objectively / less vaguely stated as: Do proofs of [whatever category] become easier to understand, and what are the benefits to learning them now as opposed to waiting until they progressively become easier?
$endgroup$
– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:31
$begingroup$
Your question could be more objectively / less vaguely stated as: Do proofs of [whatever category] become easier to understand, and what are the benefits to learning them now as opposed to waiting until they progressively become easier?
$endgroup$
– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:31
$begingroup$
Was that really a necessary comment?
$endgroup$
– John
Jan 22 at 0:32
$begingroup$
Was that really a necessary comment?
$endgroup$
– John
Jan 22 at 0:32
3
3
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Your question seems a little bit like asking: should I be practicing running, when in a couple of weeks I can run much further. Well... You won't be able to run much further if you don't practice now first, so yes it is important to put in effort to understand the basic proofs now. It doesn't get easier if you don't.
$endgroup$
– Slugger
Jan 22 at 0:37
$begingroup$
Your question seems a little bit like asking: should I be practicing running, when in a couple of weeks I can run much further. Well... You won't be able to run much further if you don't practice now first, so yes it is important to put in effort to understand the basic proofs now. It doesn't get easier if you don't.
$endgroup$
– Slugger
Jan 22 at 0:37
$begingroup$
My advice: go to office hours. Writing proofs is a social activity, because it is about communication. To learn to write proofs, it really helps to have a human walk you through the process and address your specific misconceptions.
$endgroup$
– Jair Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:43
$begingroup$
My advice: go to office hours. Writing proofs is a social activity, because it is about communication. To learn to write proofs, it really helps to have a human walk you through the process and address your specific misconceptions.
$endgroup$
– Jair Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:43
$begingroup$
It was a suggestion on how to improve your question since you’re new here. Highly objective questions are received the best. I actually was one of the three people who have thus far upvoted your post (it has one downvote). I promise I’m not your enemy.
$endgroup$
– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 5:13
$begingroup$
It was a suggestion on how to improve your question since you’re new here. Highly objective questions are received the best. I actually was one of the three people who have thus far upvoted your post (it has one downvote). I promise I’m not your enemy.
$endgroup$
– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 5:13
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Yes, it gets much easier. It is similar to learning anything else, whenever you begin practically every significant result is daunting. It will take a bit of time to get used to reading and writing proofs. There are some threads on this site with suggestions of books you could read to increase general mathematical thinking, proof reading, and problem solving skills. I wouldn't worry about how long it takes you to understand results right now. Just think about them until you completely understand the proofs. This will help you adjust from the types of math classes you are used to into a more rigorous type of mathematics.
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
374112
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Short answer: yes, it will get easier.
Longer comment. Write out as much as you can with words instead of symbols - for example
If $a$ is an even number, there must be another number $b$ such
that $a= 2b$ (that's the very definition of "even").
rather than
$a$ even $implies exists b text{ such that } a- 2b"$.
Imagine that your proofs are notes to yourself explaining why you know each sentence you right is correct.
I tell my students that they don't need to prove things for me - I know they are true - they need to convince me that they have convinced themselves for good reasons.
Sometimes the best questions are not "prove this" but "prove or disprove this".
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
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Mathematics of all types, including proofs, tends to build on itself. If you understand the basics then they will help you as you progress. It does sound like you are putting a lot of time into some that should not take quite that much time, particularly if you understand the background behind the problems.
Make sure you understand all the information you need, though, and do not try to skip or neglect the basics, even if it takes you a lot of time. You might want to see if some one-on-one time with the teacher or another student that understands the material well can help clear up some of the underpinning principles that might be confusing you. Google and this forum are good places to find answers also.
Note that proof writing is about making sure that the logic clearly flows from the axioms and premises to the conclusion without making any logical loopholes or committing any logical fallacies. It is also about making sure that everything is well defined. The emphasis in a proof writing class is typically more on these than on actually solving major mathematical problems.
answered Jan 22 at 0:39
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Yes, it gets much easier. It is similar to learning anything else, whenever you begin practically every significant result is daunting. It will take a bit of time to get used to reading and writing proofs. There are some threads on this site with suggestions of books you could read to increase general mathematical thinking, proof reading, and problem solving skills. I wouldn't worry about how long it takes you to understand results right now. Just think about them until you completely understand the proofs. This will help you adjust from the types of math classes you are used to into a more rigorous type of mathematics.
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
374112
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, it gets much easier. It is similar to learning anything else, whenever you begin practically every significant result is daunting. It will take a bit of time to get used to reading and writing proofs. There are some threads on this site with suggestions of books you could read to increase general mathematical thinking, proof reading, and problem solving skills. I wouldn't worry about how long it takes you to understand results right now. Just think about them until you completely understand the proofs. This will help you adjust from the types of math classes you are used to into a more rigorous type of mathematics.
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
374112
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Yes, it gets much easier. It is similar to learning anything else, whenever you begin practically every significant result is daunting. It will take a bit of time to get used to reading and writing proofs. There are some threads on this site with suggestions of books you could read to increase general mathematical thinking, proof reading, and problem solving skills. I wouldn't worry about how long it takes you to understand results right now. Just think about them until you completely understand the proofs. This will help you adjust from the types of math classes you are used to into a more rigorous type of mathematics.
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
374112
$endgroup$
Yes, it gets much easier. It is similar to learning anything else, whenever you begin practically every significant result is daunting. It will take a bit of time to get used to reading and writing proofs. There are some threads on this site with suggestions of books you could read to increase general mathematical thinking, proof reading, and problem solving skills. I wouldn't worry about how long it takes you to understand results right now. Just think about them until you completely understand the proofs. This will help you adjust from the types of math classes you are used to into a more rigorous type of mathematics.
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
374112
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
374112
answered Jan 22 at 0:24
Jack PfaffingerJack Pfaffinger
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answered Jan 22 at 0:24
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374112
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Short answer: yes, it will get easier.
Longer comment. Write out as much as you can with words instead of symbols - for example
If $a$ is an even number, there must be another number $b$ such
that $a= 2b$ (that's the very definition of "even").
rather than
$a$ even $implies exists b text{ such that } a- 2b"$.
Imagine that your proofs are notes to yourself explaining why you know each sentence you right is correct.
I tell my students that they don't need to prove things for me - I know they are true - they need to convince me that they have convinced themselves for good reasons.
Sometimes the best questions are not "prove this" but "prove or disprove this".
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Short answer: yes, it will get easier.
Longer comment. Write out as much as you can with words instead of symbols - for example
If $a$ is an even number, there must be another number $b$ such
that $a= 2b$ (that's the very definition of "even").
rather than
$a$ even $implies exists b text{ such that } a- 2b"$.
Imagine that your proofs are notes to yourself explaining why you know each sentence you right is correct.
I tell my students that they don't need to prove things for me - I know they are true - they need to convince me that they have convinced themselves for good reasons.
Sometimes the best questions are not "prove this" but "prove or disprove this".
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Short answer: yes, it will get easier.
Longer comment. Write out as much as you can with words instead of symbols - for example
If $a$ is an even number, there must be another number $b$ such
that $a= 2b$ (that's the very definition of "even").
rather than
$a$ even $implies exists b text{ such that } a- 2b"$.
Imagine that your proofs are notes to yourself explaining why you know each sentence you right is correct.
I tell my students that they don't need to prove things for me - I know they are true - they need to convince me that they have convinced themselves for good reasons.
Sometimes the best questions are not "prove this" but "prove or disprove this".
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
$endgroup$
Short answer: yes, it will get easier.
Longer comment. Write out as much as you can with words instead of symbols - for example
If $a$ is an even number, there must be another number $b$ such
that $a= 2b$ (that's the very definition of "even").
rather than
$a$ even $implies exists b text{ such that } a- 2b"$.
Imagine that your proofs are notes to yourself explaining why you know each sentence you right is correct.
I tell my students that they don't need to prove things for me - I know they are true - they need to convince me that they have convinced themselves for good reasons.
Sometimes the best questions are not "prove this" but "prove or disprove this".
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
44.8k553120
answered Jan 22 at 0:37
Ethan BolkerEthan Bolker
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Mathematics of all types, including proofs, tends to build on itself. If you understand the basics then they will help you as you progress. It does sound like you are putting a lot of time into some that should not take quite that much time, particularly if you understand the background behind the problems.
Make sure you understand all the information you need, though, and do not try to skip or neglect the basics, even if it takes you a lot of time. You might want to see if some one-on-one time with the teacher or another student that understands the material well can help clear up some of the underpinning principles that might be confusing you. Google and this forum are good places to find answers also.
Note that proof writing is about making sure that the logic clearly flows from the axioms and premises to the conclusion without making any logical loopholes or committing any logical fallacies. It is also about making sure that everything is well defined. The emphasis in a proof writing class is typically more on these than on actually solving major mathematical problems.
answered Jan 22 at 0:39
Math ManMath Man
478417
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$begingroup$
Mathematics of all types, including proofs, tends to build on itself. If you understand the basics then they will help you as you progress. It does sound like you are putting a lot of time into some that should not take quite that much time, particularly if you understand the background behind the problems.
Make sure you understand all the information you need, though, and do not try to skip or neglect the basics, even if it takes you a lot of time. You might want to see if some one-on-one time with the teacher or another student that understands the material well can help clear up some of the underpinning principles that might be confusing you. Google and this forum are good places to find answers also.
Note that proof writing is about making sure that the logic clearly flows from the axioms and premises to the conclusion without making any logical loopholes or committing any logical fallacies. It is also about making sure that everything is well defined. The emphasis in a proof writing class is typically more on these than on actually solving major mathematical problems.
answered Jan 22 at 0:39
Math ManMath Man
478417
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Mathematics of all types, including proofs, tends to build on itself. If you understand the basics then they will help you as you progress. It does sound like you are putting a lot of time into some that should not take quite that much time, particularly if you understand the background behind the problems.
Make sure you understand all the information you need, though, and do not try to skip or neglect the basics, even if it takes you a lot of time. You might want to see if some one-on-one time with the teacher or another student that understands the material well can help clear up some of the underpinning principles that might be confusing you. Google and this forum are good places to find answers also.
Note that proof writing is about making sure that the logic clearly flows from the axioms and premises to the conclusion without making any logical loopholes or committing any logical fallacies. It is also about making sure that everything is well defined. The emphasis in a proof writing class is typically more on these than on actually solving major mathematical problems.
answered Jan 22 at 0:39
Math ManMath Man
478417
$endgroup$
Mathematics of all types, including proofs, tends to build on itself. If you understand the basics then they will help you as you progress. It does sound like you are putting a lot of time into some that should not take quite that much time, particularly if you understand the background behind the problems.
Make sure you understand all the information you need, though, and do not try to skip or neglect the basics, even if it takes you a lot of time. You might want to see if some one-on-one time with the teacher or another student that understands the material well can help clear up some of the underpinning principles that might be confusing you. Google and this forum are good places to find answers also.
Note that proof writing is about making sure that the logic clearly flows from the axioms and premises to the conclusion without making any logical loopholes or committing any logical fallacies. It is also about making sure that everything is well defined. The emphasis in a proof writing class is typically more on these than on actually solving major mathematical problems.
answered Jan 22 at 0:39
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Math ManMath Man
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Your question could be more objectively / less vaguely stated as: Do proofs of [whatever category] become easier to understand, and what are the benefits to learning them now as opposed to waiting until they progressively become easier?
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:31
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Was that really a necessary comment?
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– John
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Your question seems a little bit like asking: should I be practicing running, when in a couple of weeks I can run much further. Well... You won't be able to run much further if you don't practice now first, so yes it is important to put in effort to understand the basic proofs now. It doesn't get easier if you don't.
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– Slugger
Jan 22 at 0:37
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My advice: go to office hours. Writing proofs is a social activity, because it is about communication. To learn to write proofs, it really helps to have a human walk you through the process and address your specific misconceptions.
$endgroup$
– Jair Taylor
Jan 22 at 0:43
$begingroup$
It was a suggestion on how to improve your question since you’re new here. Highly objective questions are received the best. I actually was one of the three people who have thus far upvoted your post (it has one downvote). I promise I’m not your enemy.
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– Chase Ryan Taylor
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