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What is the Habitable Zone of a Red Dwarf star?
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This question is pretty straightforward:
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red Dwarf star?
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This question is pretty straightforward:
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red Dwarf star?
science-based planets stars habitability
edited Jan 25 at 22:09
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asked Jan 25 at 12:08
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I find it curious that the only answer that offers a positive and meaningful response is the least voted for.
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– Agrajag
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This question is pretty straightforward:
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red Dwarf star?
science-based planets stars habitability
edited Jan 25 at 22:09
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asked Jan 25 at 12:08
Blue DevilBlue Devil
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This question is pretty straightforward:
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red Dwarf star?
science-based planets stars habitability
science-based planets stars habitability
edited Jan 25 at 22:09
worldbuilder
346112
asked Jan 25 at 12:08
Blue DevilBlue Devil
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edited Jan 25 at 22:09
worldbuilder
346112
asked Jan 25 at 12:08
Blue DevilBlue Devil
1175
edited Jan 25 at 22:09
worldbuilder
346112
edited Jan 25 at 22:09
worldbuilder
346112
edited Jan 25 at 22:09
worldbuilder
346112
346112
asked Jan 25 at 12:08
Blue DevilBlue Devil
1175
asked Jan 25 at 12:08
Blue DevilBlue Devil
1175
asked Jan 25 at 12:08
Blue DevilBlue Devil
1175
1175
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I find it curious that the only answer that offers a positive and meaningful response is the least voted for.
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– Agrajag
Jan 28 at 1:49
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I find it curious that the only answer that offers a positive and meaningful response is the least voted for.
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– Agrajag
Jan 28 at 1:49
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I find it curious that the only answer that offers a positive and meaningful response is the least voted for.
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– Agrajag
Jan 28 at 1:49
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I find it curious that the only answer that offers a positive and meaningful response is the least voted for.
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– Agrajag
Jan 28 at 1:49
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There is no consensus now if such a thing as a habitable zone really truly exists around red dwarfs.
Flares
Most red dwarfs flare, doubling their luminosity in a matter of minutes. This shifts the zone with optimal temperature very much, very fast, and the planet may be in it, and literally five minutes later be outside of it.
Flares also tend do throw a lot of charged particles and do funny things with magnetic fields. If any planet around a red dwarf is able to keep an atmosphere is still an open debate.
Tidal lock
Red dwarfs are cold. This means that "habitable zone" would make planets orbit their stars so close they would get tidally locked. A tidally locked planet would have its star-facing side above the temperatures needed for life as we know it, and its space-facing side much colder. This would create strong winds, except your planet does not have an atmosphere due to flares anyway.
There are other minor issues, but these two points are the biggest, and easiest to explain reasons why talking about habitable zones around red dwarfs in general is moot. It is only reasonably possible to talk about habitability of a specific planet orbiting a specific, probably exceptional, non-flaring red dwarf.
edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
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Searching for circumstellar habitable zone lands you on this wiki page
In astronomy and astrobiology, the circumstellar habitable zone (CHZ), or simply the habitable zone, is the range of orbits around a star within which a planetary surface can support liquid water given sufficient atmospheric pressure. The bounds of the CHZ are based on Earth's position in the Solar System and the amount of radiant energy it receives from the Sun. Due to the importance of liquid water to Earth's biosphere, the nature of the CHZ and the objects within it may be instrumental in determining the scope and distribution of Earth-like extraterrestrial life and intelligence.
The habitable zone is also called the Goldilocks zone, a metaphor of the children's fairy tale of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears", in which a little girl chooses from sets of three items, ignoring the ones that are too extreme (large or small, hot or cold, etc.), and settling on the one in the middle, which is "just right".
The same page also contains the following explicative picture:
Image By Chester Harman CC BY-SA 4.0
The distance in astronomic units from a star with luminosity $L$ at which a planet could host life can be estimated according to the following relation:
$d_{AU}=sqrt{L_{star}/L_{Sun}}$
Obviously the distance alone is not sufficient to have life.
answered Jan 25 at 12:20
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
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– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
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Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
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What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the
habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red
Dwarf star?
Flattening out all sudden magnetic and luminous flux variations (assuming the author has a way of achieving this by Sci-Fi means or just "Atypical Stability of the System"):
For the mean luminosity of an "average sized red dwarf" (in this case Median size - about 0.15 of the mass of the sun):
The habitable zone would extend between 0.04 and 0.1 astronomical units (Distance of Earth from Sun) with the closest to Earth's level of illuminance being at about 0.055 AUs.
As you can square on this diagram: http://sites.psu.edu/ceh5286/wp-content/uploads/sites/4579/2014/04/ndistance_HZ_09022014.jpg (The image is free to use but too massive to upload to this site.)
answered Jan 25 at 22:27
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There is no consensus now if such a thing as a habitable zone really truly exists around red dwarfs.
Flares
Most red dwarfs flare, doubling their luminosity in a matter of minutes. This shifts the zone with optimal temperature very much, very fast, and the planet may be in it, and literally five minutes later be outside of it.
Flares also tend do throw a lot of charged particles and do funny things with magnetic fields. If any planet around a red dwarf is able to keep an atmosphere is still an open debate.
Tidal lock
Red dwarfs are cold. This means that "habitable zone" would make planets orbit their stars so close they would get tidally locked. A tidally locked planet would have its star-facing side above the temperatures needed for life as we know it, and its space-facing side much colder. This would create strong winds, except your planet does not have an atmosphere due to flares anyway.
There are other minor issues, but these two points are the biggest, and easiest to explain reasons why talking about habitable zones around red dwarfs in general is moot. It is only reasonably possible to talk about habitability of a specific planet orbiting a specific, probably exceptional, non-flaring red dwarf.
edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
MołotMołot
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
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– Sonvar
Jan 25 at 23:48
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There is no consensus now if such a thing as a habitable zone really truly exists around red dwarfs.
Flares
Most red dwarfs flare, doubling their luminosity in a matter of minutes. This shifts the zone with optimal temperature very much, very fast, and the planet may be in it, and literally five minutes later be outside of it.
Flares also tend do throw a lot of charged particles and do funny things with magnetic fields. If any planet around a red dwarf is able to keep an atmosphere is still an open debate.
Tidal lock
Red dwarfs are cold. This means that "habitable zone" would make planets orbit their stars so close they would get tidally locked. A tidally locked planet would have its star-facing side above the temperatures needed for life as we know it, and its space-facing side much colder. This would create strong winds, except your planet does not have an atmosphere due to flares anyway.
There are other minor issues, but these two points are the biggest, and easiest to explain reasons why talking about habitable zones around red dwarfs in general is moot. It is only reasonably possible to talk about habitability of a specific planet orbiting a specific, probably exceptional, non-flaring red dwarf.
edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
MołotMołot
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
$endgroup$
– Sonvar
Jan 25 at 23:48
add a comment |
$begingroup$
There is no consensus now if such a thing as a habitable zone really truly exists around red dwarfs.
Flares
Most red dwarfs flare, doubling their luminosity in a matter of minutes. This shifts the zone with optimal temperature very much, very fast, and the planet may be in it, and literally five minutes later be outside of it.
Flares also tend do throw a lot of charged particles and do funny things with magnetic fields. If any planet around a red dwarf is able to keep an atmosphere is still an open debate.
Tidal lock
Red dwarfs are cold. This means that "habitable zone" would make planets orbit their stars so close they would get tidally locked. A tidally locked planet would have its star-facing side above the temperatures needed for life as we know it, and its space-facing side much colder. This would create strong winds, except your planet does not have an atmosphere due to flares anyway.
There are other minor issues, but these two points are the biggest, and easiest to explain reasons why talking about habitable zones around red dwarfs in general is moot. It is only reasonably possible to talk about habitability of a specific planet orbiting a specific, probably exceptional, non-flaring red dwarf.
edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
1,524615
answered Jan 25 at 12:24
MołotMołot
28.5k1289134
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There is no consensus now if such a thing as a habitable zone really truly exists around red dwarfs.
Flares
Most red dwarfs flare, doubling their luminosity in a matter of minutes. This shifts the zone with optimal temperature very much, very fast, and the planet may be in it, and literally five minutes later be outside of it.
Flares also tend do throw a lot of charged particles and do funny things with magnetic fields. If any planet around a red dwarf is able to keep an atmosphere is still an open debate.
Tidal lock
Red dwarfs are cold. This means that "habitable zone" would make planets orbit their stars so close they would get tidally locked. A tidally locked planet would have its star-facing side above the temperatures needed for life as we know it, and its space-facing side much colder. This would create strong winds, except your planet does not have an atmosphere due to flares anyway.
There are other minor issues, but these two points are the biggest, and easiest to explain reasons why talking about habitable zones around red dwarfs in general is moot. It is only reasonably possible to talk about habitability of a specific planet orbiting a specific, probably exceptional, non-flaring red dwarf.
edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
MołotMołot
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edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
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edited Jan 26 at 0:49
Laurel
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Laurel
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
MołotMołot
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answered Jan 25 at 12:24
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
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– Sonvar
Jan 25 at 23:48
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
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– Sonvar
Jan 25 at 23:48
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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"space-acing" typo? Too small/trivial for me to edit, just thought I'd let you know.
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– phyrfox
Jan 25 at 23:00
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
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– Sonvar
Jan 25 at 23:48
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@phyrofx, Well, I was going to edit it because I saw the same thing, but I need at least 6 charictors to edit. Oh well
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– Sonvar
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Searching for circumstellar habitable zone lands you on this wiki page
In astronomy and astrobiology, the circumstellar habitable zone (CHZ), or simply the habitable zone, is the range of orbits around a star within which a planetary surface can support liquid water given sufficient atmospheric pressure. The bounds of the CHZ are based on Earth's position in the Solar System and the amount of radiant energy it receives from the Sun. Due to the importance of liquid water to Earth's biosphere, the nature of the CHZ and the objects within it may be instrumental in determining the scope and distribution of Earth-like extraterrestrial life and intelligence.
The habitable zone is also called the Goldilocks zone, a metaphor of the children's fairy tale of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears", in which a little girl chooses from sets of three items, ignoring the ones that are too extreme (large or small, hot or cold, etc.), and settling on the one in the middle, which is "just right".
The same page also contains the following explicative picture:
Image By Chester Harman CC BY-SA 4.0
The distance in astronomic units from a star with luminosity $L$ at which a planet could host life can be estimated according to the following relation:
$d_{AU}=sqrt{L_{star}/L_{Sun}}$
Obviously the distance alone is not sufficient to have life.
answered Jan 25 at 12:20
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
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– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
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Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
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– NofP
Jan 25 at 17:26
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Searching for circumstellar habitable zone lands you on this wiki page
In astronomy and astrobiology, the circumstellar habitable zone (CHZ), or simply the habitable zone, is the range of orbits around a star within which a planetary surface can support liquid water given sufficient atmospheric pressure. The bounds of the CHZ are based on Earth's position in the Solar System and the amount of radiant energy it receives from the Sun. Due to the importance of liquid water to Earth's biosphere, the nature of the CHZ and the objects within it may be instrumental in determining the scope and distribution of Earth-like extraterrestrial life and intelligence.
The habitable zone is also called the Goldilocks zone, a metaphor of the children's fairy tale of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears", in which a little girl chooses from sets of three items, ignoring the ones that are too extreme (large or small, hot or cold, etc.), and settling on the one in the middle, which is "just right".
The same page also contains the following explicative picture:
Image By Chester Harman CC BY-SA 4.0
The distance in astronomic units from a star with luminosity $L$ at which a planet could host life can be estimated according to the following relation:
$d_{AU}=sqrt{L_{star}/L_{Sun}}$
Obviously the distance alone is not sufficient to have life.
answered Jan 25 at 12:20
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
$endgroup$
– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
1
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Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
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– NofP
Jan 25 at 17:26
add a comment |
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Searching for circumstellar habitable zone lands you on this wiki page
In astronomy and astrobiology, the circumstellar habitable zone (CHZ), or simply the habitable zone, is the range of orbits around a star within which a planetary surface can support liquid water given sufficient atmospheric pressure. The bounds of the CHZ are based on Earth's position in the Solar System and the amount of radiant energy it receives from the Sun. Due to the importance of liquid water to Earth's biosphere, the nature of the CHZ and the objects within it may be instrumental in determining the scope and distribution of Earth-like extraterrestrial life and intelligence.
The habitable zone is also called the Goldilocks zone, a metaphor of the children's fairy tale of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears", in which a little girl chooses from sets of three items, ignoring the ones that are too extreme (large or small, hot or cold, etc.), and settling on the one in the middle, which is "just right".
The same page also contains the following explicative picture:
Image By Chester Harman CC BY-SA 4.0
The distance in astronomic units from a star with luminosity $L$ at which a planet could host life can be estimated according to the following relation:
$d_{AU}=sqrt{L_{star}/L_{Sun}}$
Obviously the distance alone is not sufficient to have life.
answered Jan 25 at 12:20
L.Dutch♦L.Dutch
88.2k29205430
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Searching for circumstellar habitable zone lands you on this wiki page
In astronomy and astrobiology, the circumstellar habitable zone (CHZ), or simply the habitable zone, is the range of orbits around a star within which a planetary surface can support liquid water given sufficient atmospheric pressure. The bounds of the CHZ are based on Earth's position in the Solar System and the amount of radiant energy it receives from the Sun. Due to the importance of liquid water to Earth's biosphere, the nature of the CHZ and the objects within it may be instrumental in determining the scope and distribution of Earth-like extraterrestrial life and intelligence.
The habitable zone is also called the Goldilocks zone, a metaphor of the children's fairy tale of "Goldilocks and the Three Bears", in which a little girl chooses from sets of three items, ignoring the ones that are too extreme (large or small, hot or cold, etc.), and settling on the one in the middle, which is "just right".
The same page also contains the following explicative picture:
Image By Chester Harman CC BY-SA 4.0
The distance in astronomic units from a star with luminosity $L$ at which a planet could host life can be estimated according to the following relation:
$d_{AU}=sqrt{L_{star}/L_{Sun}}$
Obviously the distance alone is not sufficient to have life.
answered Jan 25 at 12:20
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answered Jan 25 at 12:20
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answered Jan 25 at 12:20
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answered Jan 25 at 12:20
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
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– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
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Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
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– NofP
Jan 25 at 17:26
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1
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
$endgroup$
– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
1
$begingroup$
Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
$endgroup$
– NofP
Jan 25 at 17:26
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
$endgroup$
– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
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thats the definition of habitable zone, but it doesn't answer in any way the question.
$endgroup$
– ths
Jan 25 at 17:24
1
1
$begingroup$
Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
$endgroup$
– NofP
Jan 25 at 17:26
$begingroup$
Would you mind explaining to us how the quote and the figure relate to the question?
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– NofP
Jan 25 at 17:26
add a comment |
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What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the
habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red
Dwarf star?
Flattening out all sudden magnetic and luminous flux variations (assuming the author has a way of achieving this by Sci-Fi means or just "Atypical Stability of the System"):
For the mean luminosity of an "average sized red dwarf" (in this case Median size - about 0.15 of the mass of the sun):
The habitable zone would extend between 0.04 and 0.1 astronomical units (Distance of Earth from Sun) with the closest to Earth's level of illuminance being at about 0.055 AUs.
As you can square on this diagram: http://sites.psu.edu/ceh5286/wp-content/uploads/sites/4579/2014/04/ndistance_HZ_09022014.jpg (The image is free to use but too massive to upload to this site.)
answered Jan 25 at 22:27
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What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the
habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red
Dwarf star?
Flattening out all sudden magnetic and luminous flux variations (assuming the author has a way of achieving this by Sci-Fi means or just "Atypical Stability of the System"):
For the mean luminosity of an "average sized red dwarf" (in this case Median size - about 0.15 of the mass of the sun):
The habitable zone would extend between 0.04 and 0.1 astronomical units (Distance of Earth from Sun) with the closest to Earth's level of illuminance being at about 0.055 AUs.
As you can square on this diagram: http://sites.psu.edu/ceh5286/wp-content/uploads/sites/4579/2014/04/ndistance_HZ_09022014.jpg (The image is free to use but too massive to upload to this site.)
answered Jan 25 at 22:27
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$begingroup$
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the
habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red
Dwarf star?
Flattening out all sudden magnetic and luminous flux variations (assuming the author has a way of achieving this by Sci-Fi means or just "Atypical Stability of the System"):
For the mean luminosity of an "average sized red dwarf" (in this case Median size - about 0.15 of the mass of the sun):
The habitable zone would extend between 0.04 and 0.1 astronomical units (Distance of Earth from Sun) with the closest to Earth's level of illuminance being at about 0.055 AUs.
As you can square on this diagram: http://sites.psu.edu/ceh5286/wp-content/uploads/sites/4579/2014/04/ndistance_HZ_09022014.jpg (The image is free to use but too massive to upload to this site.)
answered Jan 25 at 22:27
AgrajagAgrajag
5,5451041
$endgroup$
What is the minimum and maximum distance for a planet to be in the
habitable zone of an average sized (not biggest, not smallest) Red
Dwarf star?
Flattening out all sudden magnetic and luminous flux variations (assuming the author has a way of achieving this by Sci-Fi means or just "Atypical Stability of the System"):
For the mean luminosity of an "average sized red dwarf" (in this case Median size - about 0.15 of the mass of the sun):
The habitable zone would extend between 0.04 and 0.1 astronomical units (Distance of Earth from Sun) with the closest to Earth's level of illuminance being at about 0.055 AUs.
As you can square on this diagram: http://sites.psu.edu/ceh5286/wp-content/uploads/sites/4579/2014/04/ndistance_HZ_09022014.jpg (The image is free to use but too massive to upload to this site.)
answered Jan 25 at 22:27
AgrajagAgrajag
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answered Jan 25 at 22:27
AgrajagAgrajag
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answered Jan 25 at 22:27
AgrajagAgrajag
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answered Jan 25 at 22:27
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I find it curious that the only answer that offers a positive and meaningful response is the least voted for.
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– Agrajag
Jan 28 at 1:49