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I have the following $2 pi $ periodic function which is $t$ for $0leq t <pi$ and $0$ for $pileq t<2pi$



I'm asked to find its complex fourier series representation. So I calculate
$c_k=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}te^{-ikt}dt$ which results in $frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})$ and $c_0=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}tdt=frac{pi}{4}$. So our complex fourier series is



$f(t)=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}$



Then I am asked to find the value of the fourier series at $t=pi$.
In their solution, they simply say that the answer is $frac{pi}{2}$



But I don't see how they got there.
Plugging in $pi$, I get:
$f(pi)=0=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{-1}{pi k^2}*(-1)$ for $k$ odd. Now, if I solve, I get $frac{-pi^2}{4}$



So I don't see what I did wrong and how they got $frac{pi}{2}$.



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    The value will definitely be $frac{pi}{2}$ as it will be the average value at the jump in $f(t)$ from $pi$ to 0 when $t = pi$.
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I have the following $2 pi $ periodic function which is $t$ for $0leq t <pi$ and $0$ for $pileq t<2pi$



I'm asked to find its complex fourier series representation. So I calculate
$c_k=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}te^{-ikt}dt$ which results in $frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})$ and $c_0=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}tdt=frac{pi}{4}$. So our complex fourier series is



$f(t)=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}$



Then I am asked to find the value of the fourier series at $t=pi$.
In their solution, they simply say that the answer is $frac{pi}{2}$



But I don't see how they got there.
Plugging in $pi$, I get:
$f(pi)=0=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{-1}{pi k^2}*(-1)$ for $k$ odd. Now, if I solve, I get $frac{-pi^2}{4}$



So I don't see what I did wrong and how they got $frac{pi}{2}$.



Thanks for your help !










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    The value will definitely be $frac{pi}{2}$ as it will be the average value at the jump in $f(t)$ from $pi$ to 0 when $t = pi$.
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I have the following $2 pi $ periodic function which is $t$ for $0leq t <pi$ and $0$ for $pileq t<2pi$



I'm asked to find its complex fourier series representation. So I calculate
$c_k=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}te^{-ikt}dt$ which results in $frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})$ and $c_0=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}tdt=frac{pi}{4}$. So our complex fourier series is



$f(t)=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}$



Then I am asked to find the value of the fourier series at $t=pi$.
In their solution, they simply say that the answer is $frac{pi}{2}$



But I don't see how they got there.
Plugging in $pi$, I get:
$f(pi)=0=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{-1}{pi k^2}*(-1)$ for $k$ odd. Now, if I solve, I get $frac{-pi^2}{4}$



So I don't see what I did wrong and how they got $frac{pi}{2}$.



Thanks for your help !










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I have the following $2 pi $ periodic function which is $t$ for $0leq t <pi$ and $0$ for $pileq t<2pi$



I'm asked to find its complex fourier series representation. So I calculate
$c_k=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}te^{-ikt}dt$ which results in $frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})$ and $c_0=frac{1}{2pi}int_{0}^{pi}tdt=frac{pi}{4}$. So our complex fourier series is



$f(t)=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{pi(-1)^k}{-ik}+frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{1}{2pi} (frac{(-1)^k-1}{k^2})e^{ikt}$



Then I am asked to find the value of the fourier series at $t=pi$.
In their solution, they simply say that the answer is $frac{pi}{2}$



But I don't see how they got there.
Plugging in $pi$, I get:
$f(pi)=0=frac{pi}{4}+sum_{-infty, kneq 0}^{infty}frac{-1}{pi k^2}*(-1)$ for $k$ odd. Now, if I solve, I get $frac{-pi^2}{4}$



So I don't see what I did wrong and how they got $frac{pi}{2}$.



Thanks for your help !







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    The value will definitely be $frac{pi}{2}$ as it will be the average value at the jump in $f(t)$ from $pi$ to 0 when $t = pi$.
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    The value will definitely be $frac{pi}{2}$ as it will be the average value at the jump in $f(t)$ from $pi$ to 0 when $t = pi$.
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The value will definitely be $frac{pi}{2}$ as it will be the average value at the jump in $f(t)$ from $pi$ to 0 when $t = pi$.
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– Paul
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The value will definitely be $frac{pi}{2}$ as it will be the average value at the jump in $f(t)$ from $pi$ to 0 when $t = pi$.
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It's a standard result that the Fourier series evaluated at a jump discontinuity of the (otherwise nice) function is the average of the left and right limits. So, here, that should be the average of $pi$ from below and $0$ from above, or $frac{pi}{2}$. The solution you mention checks out.



So, where did your calculation go wrong?



You've got the right coefficients.



That series for $f(t)$ - the $frac1k$ terms don't go away just yet. Those correspond to the odd part of $f$ ($frac t2$ on $(-pi,pi)$). We can't drop them until we choose $pi$ as the point to evaluate at - because there, $e^{ikpi}=e^{-ikpi}$ and terms on opposite sides of zero cancel for a principal value sum of zero.



Plugging in $pi$ - that's a correct expression. And I get $frac{pi}{4}+frac{pi}{4}=frac{pi}{2}$ for it. Your error is somewhere in that last step, for which you didn't show any work.






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    Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
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    Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
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    It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
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Your series serms correct, but I am at a loss as to how you got $(-pi^2)/4$.



If you know the reciprocal square sum



$Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)=pi^2/6$



then you can subtract one quarter of that:



$Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/(2n)^2)=pi^2/24$



and thus



$Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)|_{ntext{ odd}}=pi^2/8$.



Plug that into your sum, remembering that there is also a division by $pi$, and the correct solution should come out.






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    It's a standard result that the Fourier series evaluated at a jump discontinuity of the (otherwise nice) function is the average of the left and right limits. So, here, that should be the average of $pi$ from below and $0$ from above, or $frac{pi}{2}$. The solution you mention checks out.



    So, where did your calculation go wrong?



    You've got the right coefficients.



    That series for $f(t)$ - the $frac1k$ terms don't go away just yet. Those correspond to the odd part of $f$ ($frac t2$ on $(-pi,pi)$). We can't drop them until we choose $pi$ as the point to evaluate at - because there, $e^{ikpi}=e^{-ikpi}$ and terms on opposite sides of zero cancel for a principal value sum of zero.



    Plugging in $pi$ - that's a correct expression. And I get $frac{pi}{4}+frac{pi}{4}=frac{pi}{2}$ for it. Your error is somewhere in that last step, for which you didn't show any work.






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      Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
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      Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
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      It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
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      Feb 2 at 14:02
















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    $begingroup$

    It's a standard result that the Fourier series evaluated at a jump discontinuity of the (otherwise nice) function is the average of the left and right limits. So, here, that should be the average of $pi$ from below and $0$ from above, or $frac{pi}{2}$. The solution you mention checks out.



    So, where did your calculation go wrong?



    You've got the right coefficients.



    That series for $f(t)$ - the $frac1k$ terms don't go away just yet. Those correspond to the odd part of $f$ ($frac t2$ on $(-pi,pi)$). We can't drop them until we choose $pi$ as the point to evaluate at - because there, $e^{ikpi}=e^{-ikpi}$ and terms on opposite sides of zero cancel for a principal value sum of zero.



    Plugging in $pi$ - that's a correct expression. And I get $frac{pi}{4}+frac{pi}{4}=frac{pi}{2}$ for it. Your error is somewhere in that last step, for which you didn't show any work.






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      Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
      $endgroup$
      – Poujh
      Feb 2 at 13:54










    • $begingroup$
      Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
      $endgroup$
      – Poujh
      Feb 2 at 13:57








    • 1




      $begingroup$
      It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
      $endgroup$
      – jmerry
      Feb 2 at 14:02














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    $begingroup$

    It's a standard result that the Fourier series evaluated at a jump discontinuity of the (otherwise nice) function is the average of the left and right limits. So, here, that should be the average of $pi$ from below and $0$ from above, or $frac{pi}{2}$. The solution you mention checks out.



    So, where did your calculation go wrong?



    You've got the right coefficients.



    That series for $f(t)$ - the $frac1k$ terms don't go away just yet. Those correspond to the odd part of $f$ ($frac t2$ on $(-pi,pi)$). We can't drop them until we choose $pi$ as the point to evaluate at - because there, $e^{ikpi}=e^{-ikpi}$ and terms on opposite sides of zero cancel for a principal value sum of zero.



    Plugging in $pi$ - that's a correct expression. And I get $frac{pi}{4}+frac{pi}{4}=frac{pi}{2}$ for it. Your error is somewhere in that last step, for which you didn't show any work.






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    It's a standard result that the Fourier series evaluated at a jump discontinuity of the (otherwise nice) function is the average of the left and right limits. So, here, that should be the average of $pi$ from below and $0$ from above, or $frac{pi}{2}$. The solution you mention checks out.



    So, where did your calculation go wrong?



    You've got the right coefficients.



    That series for $f(t)$ - the $frac1k$ terms don't go away just yet. Those correspond to the odd part of $f$ ($frac t2$ on $(-pi,pi)$). We can't drop them until we choose $pi$ as the point to evaluate at - because there, $e^{ikpi}=e^{-ikpi}$ and terms on opposite sides of zero cancel for a principal value sum of zero.



    Plugging in $pi$ - that's a correct expression. And I get $frac{pi}{4}+frac{pi}{4}=frac{pi}{2}$ for it. Your error is somewhere in that last step, for which you didn't show any work.







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      Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
      $endgroup$
      – Poujh
      Feb 2 at 13:54










    • $begingroup$
      Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
      $endgroup$
      – Poujh
      Feb 2 at 13:57








    • 1




      $begingroup$
      It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
      $endgroup$
      – jmerry
      Feb 2 at 14:02


















    • $begingroup$
      Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
      $endgroup$
      – Poujh
      Feb 2 at 13:54










    • $begingroup$
      Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
      $endgroup$
      – Poujh
      Feb 2 at 13:57








    • 1




      $begingroup$
      It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
      $endgroup$
      – jmerry
      Feb 2 at 14:02
















    $begingroup$
    Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
    $endgroup$
    – Poujh
    Feb 2 at 13:54




    $begingroup$
    Well, in the last step, I put the $frac{pi}{4}$ on the other side and then solved for $sum frac{1}{k^2}$, k odd. I think that's the problem
    $endgroup$
    – Poujh
    Feb 2 at 13:54












    $begingroup$
    Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
    $endgroup$
    – Poujh
    Feb 2 at 13:57






    $begingroup$
    Just a question, to get the second $frac{pi}{4}$, you seem to have evaluated $ sum_{0}^{infty} frac{1}{(2m+1)^2}$ whose value is $ frac{pi^2}{8}$ then used the fact that we have $sum_{-infty}^{infty}=2 sum_{0}^{infty}$. Do you think they supposed we should know the value of that sum ?
    $endgroup$
    – Poujh
    Feb 2 at 13:57






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    $begingroup$
    It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
    $endgroup$
    – jmerry
    Feb 2 at 14:02




    $begingroup$
    It does seem rather necessary for this one. Of course, we can easily derive it from the well-known sum of all the reciprocals of squares.
    $endgroup$
    – jmerry
    Feb 2 at 14:02











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    Your series serms correct, but I am at a loss as to how you got $(-pi^2)/4$.



    If you know the reciprocal square sum



    $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)=pi^2/6$



    then you can subtract one quarter of that:



    $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/(2n)^2)=pi^2/24$



    and thus



    $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)|_{ntext{ odd}}=pi^2/8$.



    Plug that into your sum, remembering that there is also a division by $pi$, and the correct solution should come out.






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      Your series serms correct, but I am at a loss as to how you got $(-pi^2)/4$.



      If you know the reciprocal square sum



      $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)=pi^2/6$



      then you can subtract one quarter of that:



      $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/(2n)^2)=pi^2/24$



      and thus



      $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)|_{ntext{ odd}}=pi^2/8$.



      Plug that into your sum, remembering that there is also a division by $pi$, and the correct solution should come out.






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        Your series serms correct, but I am at a loss as to how you got $(-pi^2)/4$.



        If you know the reciprocal square sum



        $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)=pi^2/6$



        then you can subtract one quarter of that:



        $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/(2n)^2)=pi^2/24$



        and thus



        $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)|_{ntext{ odd}}=pi^2/8$.



        Plug that into your sum, remembering that there is also a division by $pi$, and the correct solution should come out.






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        Your series serms correct, but I am at a loss as to how you got $(-pi^2)/4$.



        If you know the reciprocal square sum



        $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)=pi^2/6$



        then you can subtract one quarter of that:



        $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/(2n)^2)=pi^2/24$



        and thus



        $Sigma_{n=1}^{infty}(1/n^2)|_{ntext{ odd}}=pi^2/8$.



        Plug that into your sum, remembering that there is also a division by $pi$, and the correct solution should come out.







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