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How long would it take a body to decay and the bones to fall to the ground from a tree?
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Death occurs in extremely high humidity and an average temperature of 23 C (~75 F), both of which continue for six weeks.
At that time, temperature begins to fall over the course of eight weeks to an average of 5 C (~40 F). At the beginning of these weeks humidity decreases sharply, though the air is still quite humid.
The next three months are cold, averaging 0 C (32 F) and with moderate levels of humidity.
This is followed by eight weeks of warming and then a hot, humid summer of two months with temperatures as high as 40 C (~105 F).
A dry season follows for six weeks and then the cycle repeats.
All this time the body is clothed (clothing composed primarily of cotton), open to the environment and can be accessed by insects and scavengers.
In this weather cycle, about how long would it take for the body to be skeletonized?
Also, how long would it take for the bones to separate from each other and fall from the tree assuming it starts securely wedged between two branches?
I don't need exact amounts, just ballpark figures would be useful.
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Death occurs in extremely high humidity and an average temperature of 23 C (~75 F), both of which continue for six weeks.
At that time, temperature begins to fall over the course of eight weeks to an average of 5 C (~40 F). At the beginning of these weeks humidity decreases sharply, though the air is still quite humid.
The next three months are cold, averaging 0 C (32 F) and with moderate levels of humidity.
This is followed by eight weeks of warming and then a hot, humid summer of two months with temperatures as high as 40 C (~105 F).
A dry season follows for six weeks and then the cycle repeats.
All this time the body is clothed (clothing composed primarily of cotton), open to the environment and can be accessed by insects and scavengers.
In this weather cycle, about how long would it take for the body to be skeletonized?
Also, how long would it take for the bones to separate from each other and fall from the tree assuming it starts securely wedged between two branches?
I don't need exact amounts, just ballpark figures would be useful.
science-based chemistry death skeletons bones
asked Jan 14 at 0:24
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– Arkenstein XII
Jan 14 at 0:53
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What's holding it to the tree? A large scavenger could knock it down in a couple minutes. Is it hanging (from the neck)? Is it stuffed into a secure notch?
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:04
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You can get something beyond speculation if you can find details of historical gibbiting -- the public display of the bodies of dead criminals. In many cases they were allowed to decay away completely. It took more than a few days.
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– Mark Olson
Jan 14 at 1:05
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In that case, @StephenBurgos definitely check into gibbeting. That's where people used to be locked into hanging cages until they died and their rotted corpses fell through the bars of the cage.
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:20
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You might find this interesting; Creepy photos show horse's skeleton in a tree beside River Aire in Leeds. This horse skeleton appears to have been wedged in the tree branches for long enough for it to have entirely decayed to bare bones
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Death occurs in extremely high humidity and an average temperature of 23 C (~75 F), both of which continue for six weeks.
At that time, temperature begins to fall over the course of eight weeks to an average of 5 C (~40 F). At the beginning of these weeks humidity decreases sharply, though the air is still quite humid.
The next three months are cold, averaging 0 C (32 F) and with moderate levels of humidity.
This is followed by eight weeks of warming and then a hot, humid summer of two months with temperatures as high as 40 C (~105 F).
A dry season follows for six weeks and then the cycle repeats.
All this time the body is clothed (clothing composed primarily of cotton), open to the environment and can be accessed by insects and scavengers.
In this weather cycle, about how long would it take for the body to be skeletonized?
Also, how long would it take for the bones to separate from each other and fall from the tree assuming it starts securely wedged between two branches?
I don't need exact amounts, just ballpark figures would be useful.
science-based chemistry death skeletons bones
asked Jan 14 at 0:24
StephenStephen
161110
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Death occurs in extremely high humidity and an average temperature of 23 C (~75 F), both of which continue for six weeks.
At that time, temperature begins to fall over the course of eight weeks to an average of 5 C (~40 F). At the beginning of these weeks humidity decreases sharply, though the air is still quite humid.
The next three months are cold, averaging 0 C (32 F) and with moderate levels of humidity.
This is followed by eight weeks of warming and then a hot, humid summer of two months with temperatures as high as 40 C (~105 F).
A dry season follows for six weeks and then the cycle repeats.
All this time the body is clothed (clothing composed primarily of cotton), open to the environment and can be accessed by insects and scavengers.
In this weather cycle, about how long would it take for the body to be skeletonized?
Also, how long would it take for the bones to separate from each other and fall from the tree assuming it starts securely wedged between two branches?
I don't need exact amounts, just ballpark figures would be useful.
science-based chemistry death skeletons bones
science-based chemistry death skeletons bones
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What are the clothes composed of?
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– Arkenstein XII
Jan 14 at 0:53
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What's holding it to the tree? A large scavenger could knock it down in a couple minutes. Is it hanging (from the neck)? Is it stuffed into a secure notch?
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:04
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You can get something beyond speculation if you can find details of historical gibbiting -- the public display of the bodies of dead criminals. In many cases they were allowed to decay away completely. It took more than a few days.
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– Mark Olson
Jan 14 at 1:05
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In that case, @StephenBurgos definitely check into gibbeting. That's where people used to be locked into hanging cages until they died and their rotted corpses fell through the bars of the cage.
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:20
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You might find this interesting; Creepy photos show horse's skeleton in a tree beside River Aire in Leeds. This horse skeleton appears to have been wedged in the tree branches for long enough for it to have entirely decayed to bare bones
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– Richard
Jan 14 at 22:20
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What are the clothes composed of?
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– Arkenstein XII
Jan 14 at 0:53
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What's holding it to the tree? A large scavenger could knock it down in a couple minutes. Is it hanging (from the neck)? Is it stuffed into a secure notch?
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:04
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You can get something beyond speculation if you can find details of historical gibbiting -- the public display of the bodies of dead criminals. In many cases they were allowed to decay away completely. It took more than a few days.
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– Mark Olson
Jan 14 at 1:05
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In that case, @StephenBurgos definitely check into gibbeting. That's where people used to be locked into hanging cages until they died and their rotted corpses fell through the bars of the cage.
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:20
2
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You might find this interesting; Creepy photos show horse's skeleton in a tree beside River Aire in Leeds. This horse skeleton appears to have been wedged in the tree branches for long enough for it to have entirely decayed to bare bones
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– Richard
Jan 14 at 22:20
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What are the clothes composed of?
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– Arkenstein XII
Jan 14 at 0:53
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What are the clothes composed of?
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– Arkenstein XII
Jan 14 at 0:53
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What's holding it to the tree? A large scavenger could knock it down in a couple minutes. Is it hanging (from the neck)? Is it stuffed into a secure notch?
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:04
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What's holding it to the tree? A large scavenger could knock it down in a couple minutes. Is it hanging (from the neck)? Is it stuffed into a secure notch?
$endgroup$
– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:04
3
3
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You can get something beyond speculation if you can find details of historical gibbiting -- the public display of the bodies of dead criminals. In many cases they were allowed to decay away completely. It took more than a few days.
$endgroup$
– Mark Olson
Jan 14 at 1:05
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You can get something beyond speculation if you can find details of historical gibbiting -- the public display of the bodies of dead criminals. In many cases they were allowed to decay away completely. It took more than a few days.
$endgroup$
– Mark Olson
Jan 14 at 1:05
2
2
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In that case, @StephenBurgos definitely check into gibbeting. That's where people used to be locked into hanging cages until they died and their rotted corpses fell through the bars of the cage.
$endgroup$
– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:20
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In that case, @StephenBurgos definitely check into gibbeting. That's where people used to be locked into hanging cages until they died and their rotted corpses fell through the bars of the cage.
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:20
2
2
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You might find this interesting; Creepy photos show horse's skeleton in a tree beside River Aire in Leeds. This horse skeleton appears to have been wedged in the tree branches for long enough for it to have entirely decayed to bare bones
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– Richard
Jan 14 at 22:20
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You might find this interesting; Creepy photos show horse's skeleton in a tree beside River Aire in Leeds. This horse skeleton appears to have been wedged in the tree branches for long enough for it to have entirely decayed to bare bones
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– Richard
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Probably not too long. There are a number of variables and it is necessary to know the precise trajectory of those conditions to exactly determine the actual decomposition.
The speed at which decomposition occurs varies greatly. Factors such as temperature, humidity, and the season of death all determine how fast a fresh body will skeletonize or mummify. A basic guide for the effect of environment on decomposition is given as Casper's Law (or Ratio): if all other factors are equal, then, when there is free access of air a body decomposes twice as fast than if immersed in water and eight times faster than if buried in earth. Ultimately, the rate of bacterial decomposition acting on the tissue will depend upon the temperature of the surroundings. Colder temperatures decrease the rate of decomposition while warmer temperatures increase it. A dry body will not decompose efficiently. Moisture helps the growth of microorganisms that decompose the organic matter, but too much moisture could lead to anaerobic conditions slowing down the decomposition process.
At a guesstimate the body will have completed its major decomposition during the initial six weeks of high temperature and humidity. The time for it to be reduced to a skeleton may take longer. A hot humid summer will go a long way to finishing this part of the process.
While the question mentions weather conditions, the role of scavengers and insects will also play a major role, these factors are lightly touched on in the question.
The probable sequence of decomposition would major decomposition during the first six weeks. During the cooling period, decomposition will continue for the eight weeks. The cold three months will slow down decomposition. The eight week warming phase should almost complete the decomposition and once the hot humid summer arrives the body is likely to be reduced to a skeleton. Insects and scavengers will obviously accelerate this process.
In fact, in an environment with high numbers of scavengers and insect infestations this could greatly facilitate the decomposition and result in a skeleton much earlier.
These are very ball park estimates.
answered Jan 14 at 3:44
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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– Fabian Röling
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It won't last a week.
You are basically providing an ideal environment for normal decay. It takes less than 7 days for insects (mostly maggots) to basically skeletonize a human body (not counting some stringy bits), with the presence of larger scavengers it is unlikely to last even that long. On a normal tree it is unlikely to still be on the tree within a day or two, scavengers even insects can move a body around a lot, as will bloat and rigor. Without knowing the exact environment and wildlife it is hard to say exactly , but in a warm humid environment bodies do not last long.
answered Jan 14 at 0:57
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
Jan 14 at 19:11
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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– John
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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You can have it stay up there as long as your story needs it to stay up there.
People sometimes climb up into trees and kill themselves. I remember reading about one such that winter hikers spotted. The body had been up there for years. I could not find that one again but here are others.
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100499/Melissa-Joy-Dietzel-Decomposing-body-woman-30ft-tree-Sydney-missing-US-tourist.html
Her body was up in the tree for 2 weeks. It was a populated area and people smelled it.
2: https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11404359.suicide-verdict-for-missing-21-year-old-found-in-tree-at-meyrick-park-golf-club/
This body was in the tree for three years. In a park!
3: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5098610/Skeleton-found-in-tree-29-years-after-suicide.html
This body was a skeleton, found after 29 years.
Summary - if you want it to fall out after 3 days, fine. But decomposition is a lot slower up off the ground. Ants, worms and beetles access the body from the ground and a body on the ground will also stay moist which facilitates decomposition. Coyotes, armadillos and the like will not be able to get a body in a tree and depending how deep in the branches it is, vultures might not either. It is those big animals that pull a corpse apart.
What is left is insects and they will leave the skeleton intact. In your scenario, I suspect fly maggots will eliminate the soft parts while it is summer; that will also eliminate much of the ability of the corpse to hang on to moisture. Once the weather cools the insects die off and then what is left will desiccate in the dry cool winter. The desiccated sinews and muscles will hold the skeleton together and are not very attractive to scavengers. If you need it to stay up there lodged in the branches for decades, that can happen.
answered Jan 14 at 1:24
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
Jan 14 at 2:31
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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– jmoreno
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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– Baldrickk
Jan 14 at 8:46
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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– Tomáš Zato
Jan 14 at 15:06
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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– James Jenkins
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Europe used the gibbet as a deterrent for various crimes, generally those which opposed the state or religious authority. Depending on how firmly your body is wedged in the tree, this may give a useful parallel with plenty of documented evidence.
Most of central and northern Europe will fall below zero in winter, and will not normally be so hot in summer. Still, it is worth noting one example of gibbetting where the remains of the body survived in its cage for 6 years. Most likely it would have been fully skeletonised by then, of course.
There are also a large number of cases of slaves and pirates gibbetted in the Caribbean, and these are more likely to be comparable to your temperatures. I don't have the time to research these, but I'm sure you can find some fairly easily.
answered Jan 14 at 10:41
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As Sledge remembers: “It was gruesome to see the stages of decay proceed from just killed, to bloated, to maggot-infested rotting, to partially exposed bones — like some biological clock marking the inexorable passage of time.” – artofmanliness.com On the 70th Anniversary of VJ Day, Eugene B. Sledge Puts Your First World Problems Into Perspective
Battle of Peleliu: 15 September – 27 November 1944 (duration: 2 months, 12 days)
My grandfather was only on Peleliu for two weeks before his amphtrack broke, and was from there after a stretcher bearer until he was wounded. He had similar anecdotes about 'explosive decomposition'.
That would bring the duration down to about eight weeks; your temperatures allow for six. I deem it extremely implausible that they would be, a) still in a tree, and b) recognizable.
answered Jan 14 at 5:25
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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Probably not too long. There are a number of variables and it is necessary to know the precise trajectory of those conditions to exactly determine the actual decomposition.
The speed at which decomposition occurs varies greatly. Factors such as temperature, humidity, and the season of death all determine how fast a fresh body will skeletonize or mummify. A basic guide for the effect of environment on decomposition is given as Casper's Law (or Ratio): if all other factors are equal, then, when there is free access of air a body decomposes twice as fast than if immersed in water and eight times faster than if buried in earth. Ultimately, the rate of bacterial decomposition acting on the tissue will depend upon the temperature of the surroundings. Colder temperatures decrease the rate of decomposition while warmer temperatures increase it. A dry body will not decompose efficiently. Moisture helps the growth of microorganisms that decompose the organic matter, but too much moisture could lead to anaerobic conditions slowing down the decomposition process.
At a guesstimate the body will have completed its major decomposition during the initial six weeks of high temperature and humidity. The time for it to be reduced to a skeleton may take longer. A hot humid summer will go a long way to finishing this part of the process.
While the question mentions weather conditions, the role of scavengers and insects will also play a major role, these factors are lightly touched on in the question.
The probable sequence of decomposition would major decomposition during the first six weeks. During the cooling period, decomposition will continue for the eight weeks. The cold three months will slow down decomposition. The eight week warming phase should almost complete the decomposition and once the hot humid summer arrives the body is likely to be reduced to a skeleton. Insects and scavengers will obviously accelerate this process.
In fact, in an environment with high numbers of scavengers and insect infestations this could greatly facilitate the decomposition and result in a skeleton much earlier.
These are very ball park estimates.
answered Jan 14 at 3:44
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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– Fabian Röling
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Probably not too long. There are a number of variables and it is necessary to know the precise trajectory of those conditions to exactly determine the actual decomposition.
The speed at which decomposition occurs varies greatly. Factors such as temperature, humidity, and the season of death all determine how fast a fresh body will skeletonize or mummify. A basic guide for the effect of environment on decomposition is given as Casper's Law (or Ratio): if all other factors are equal, then, when there is free access of air a body decomposes twice as fast than if immersed in water and eight times faster than if buried in earth. Ultimately, the rate of bacterial decomposition acting on the tissue will depend upon the temperature of the surroundings. Colder temperatures decrease the rate of decomposition while warmer temperatures increase it. A dry body will not decompose efficiently. Moisture helps the growth of microorganisms that decompose the organic matter, but too much moisture could lead to anaerobic conditions slowing down the decomposition process.
At a guesstimate the body will have completed its major decomposition during the initial six weeks of high temperature and humidity. The time for it to be reduced to a skeleton may take longer. A hot humid summer will go a long way to finishing this part of the process.
While the question mentions weather conditions, the role of scavengers and insects will also play a major role, these factors are lightly touched on in the question.
The probable sequence of decomposition would major decomposition during the first six weeks. During the cooling period, decomposition will continue for the eight weeks. The cold three months will slow down decomposition. The eight week warming phase should almost complete the decomposition and once the hot humid summer arrives the body is likely to be reduced to a skeleton. Insects and scavengers will obviously accelerate this process.
In fact, in an environment with high numbers of scavengers and insect infestations this could greatly facilitate the decomposition and result in a skeleton much earlier.
These are very ball park estimates.
answered Jan 14 at 3:44
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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– Fabian Röling
Jan 15 at 14:27
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Probably not too long. There are a number of variables and it is necessary to know the precise trajectory of those conditions to exactly determine the actual decomposition.
The speed at which decomposition occurs varies greatly. Factors such as temperature, humidity, and the season of death all determine how fast a fresh body will skeletonize or mummify. A basic guide for the effect of environment on decomposition is given as Casper's Law (or Ratio): if all other factors are equal, then, when there is free access of air a body decomposes twice as fast than if immersed in water and eight times faster than if buried in earth. Ultimately, the rate of bacterial decomposition acting on the tissue will depend upon the temperature of the surroundings. Colder temperatures decrease the rate of decomposition while warmer temperatures increase it. A dry body will not decompose efficiently. Moisture helps the growth of microorganisms that decompose the organic matter, but too much moisture could lead to anaerobic conditions slowing down the decomposition process.
At a guesstimate the body will have completed its major decomposition during the initial six weeks of high temperature and humidity. The time for it to be reduced to a skeleton may take longer. A hot humid summer will go a long way to finishing this part of the process.
While the question mentions weather conditions, the role of scavengers and insects will also play a major role, these factors are lightly touched on in the question.
The probable sequence of decomposition would major decomposition during the first six weeks. During the cooling period, decomposition will continue for the eight weeks. The cold three months will slow down decomposition. The eight week warming phase should almost complete the decomposition and once the hot humid summer arrives the body is likely to be reduced to a skeleton. Insects and scavengers will obviously accelerate this process.
In fact, in an environment with high numbers of scavengers and insect infestations this could greatly facilitate the decomposition and result in a skeleton much earlier.
These are very ball park estimates.
answered Jan 14 at 3:44
a4androida4android
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Probably not too long. There are a number of variables and it is necessary to know the precise trajectory of those conditions to exactly determine the actual decomposition.
The speed at which decomposition occurs varies greatly. Factors such as temperature, humidity, and the season of death all determine how fast a fresh body will skeletonize or mummify. A basic guide for the effect of environment on decomposition is given as Casper's Law (or Ratio): if all other factors are equal, then, when there is free access of air a body decomposes twice as fast than if immersed in water and eight times faster than if buried in earth. Ultimately, the rate of bacterial decomposition acting on the tissue will depend upon the temperature of the surroundings. Colder temperatures decrease the rate of decomposition while warmer temperatures increase it. A dry body will not decompose efficiently. Moisture helps the growth of microorganisms that decompose the organic matter, but too much moisture could lead to anaerobic conditions slowing down the decomposition process.
At a guesstimate the body will have completed its major decomposition during the initial six weeks of high temperature and humidity. The time for it to be reduced to a skeleton may take longer. A hot humid summer will go a long way to finishing this part of the process.
While the question mentions weather conditions, the role of scavengers and insects will also play a major role, these factors are lightly touched on in the question.
The probable sequence of decomposition would major decomposition during the first six weeks. During the cooling period, decomposition will continue for the eight weeks. The cold three months will slow down decomposition. The eight week warming phase should almost complete the decomposition and once the hot humid summer arrives the body is likely to be reduced to a skeleton. Insects and scavengers will obviously accelerate this process.
In fact, in an environment with high numbers of scavengers and insect infestations this could greatly facilitate the decomposition and result in a skeleton much earlier.
These are very ball park estimates.
answered Jan 14 at 3:44
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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– Fabian Röling
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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– Fabian Röling
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So you're saying it takes about 6 to 8 weeks? meta.stackexchange.com/a/19514/353011
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It won't last a week.
You are basically providing an ideal environment for normal decay. It takes less than 7 days for insects (mostly maggots) to basically skeletonize a human body (not counting some stringy bits), with the presence of larger scavengers it is unlikely to last even that long. On a normal tree it is unlikely to still be on the tree within a day or two, scavengers even insects can move a body around a lot, as will bloat and rigor. Without knowing the exact environment and wildlife it is hard to say exactly , but in a warm humid environment bodies do not last long.
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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It won't last a week.
You are basically providing an ideal environment for normal decay. It takes less than 7 days for insects (mostly maggots) to basically skeletonize a human body (not counting some stringy bits), with the presence of larger scavengers it is unlikely to last even that long. On a normal tree it is unlikely to still be on the tree within a day or two, scavengers even insects can move a body around a lot, as will bloat and rigor. Without knowing the exact environment and wildlife it is hard to say exactly , but in a warm humid environment bodies do not last long.
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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– John
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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It won't last a week.
You are basically providing an ideal environment for normal decay. It takes less than 7 days for insects (mostly maggots) to basically skeletonize a human body (not counting some stringy bits), with the presence of larger scavengers it is unlikely to last even that long. On a normal tree it is unlikely to still be on the tree within a day or two, scavengers even insects can move a body around a lot, as will bloat and rigor. Without knowing the exact environment and wildlife it is hard to say exactly , but in a warm humid environment bodies do not last long.
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It won't last a week.
You are basically providing an ideal environment for normal decay. It takes less than 7 days for insects (mostly maggots) to basically skeletonize a human body (not counting some stringy bits), with the presence of larger scavengers it is unlikely to last even that long. On a normal tree it is unlikely to still be on the tree within a day or two, scavengers even insects can move a body around a lot, as will bloat and rigor. Without knowing the exact environment and wildlife it is hard to say exactly , but in a warm humid environment bodies do not last long.
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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– John
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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– John
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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– void_ptr
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
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Your graphic assumes a body in contact with soil. I think in a tree it will take considerably longer.
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– TMN
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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– John
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not really, the majority of corpse decaying insects are flying, and hte majority of bacteria are already present in the body. . Heat and humidity are the biggest factors, burial can actually slow decay for instance.
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– John
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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Man that picture is brutal. Great answer though.
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You can have it stay up there as long as your story needs it to stay up there.
People sometimes climb up into trees and kill themselves. I remember reading about one such that winter hikers spotted. The body had been up there for years. I could not find that one again but here are others.
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100499/Melissa-Joy-Dietzel-Decomposing-body-woman-30ft-tree-Sydney-missing-US-tourist.html
Her body was up in the tree for 2 weeks. It was a populated area and people smelled it.
2: https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11404359.suicide-verdict-for-missing-21-year-old-found-in-tree-at-meyrick-park-golf-club/
This body was in the tree for three years. In a park!
3: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5098610/Skeleton-found-in-tree-29-years-after-suicide.html
This body was a skeleton, found after 29 years.
Summary - if you want it to fall out after 3 days, fine. But decomposition is a lot slower up off the ground. Ants, worms and beetles access the body from the ground and a body on the ground will also stay moist which facilitates decomposition. Coyotes, armadillos and the like will not be able to get a body in a tree and depending how deep in the branches it is, vultures might not either. It is those big animals that pull a corpse apart.
What is left is insects and they will leave the skeleton intact. In your scenario, I suspect fly maggots will eliminate the soft parts while it is summer; that will also eliminate much of the ability of the corpse to hang on to moisture. Once the weather cools the insects die off and then what is left will desiccate in the dry cool winter. The desiccated sinews and muscles will hold the skeleton together and are not very attractive to scavengers. If you need it to stay up there lodged in the branches for decades, that can happen.
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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You can have it stay up there as long as your story needs it to stay up there.
People sometimes climb up into trees and kill themselves. I remember reading about one such that winter hikers spotted. The body had been up there for years. I could not find that one again but here are others.
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100499/Melissa-Joy-Dietzel-Decomposing-body-woman-30ft-tree-Sydney-missing-US-tourist.html
Her body was up in the tree for 2 weeks. It was a populated area and people smelled it.
2: https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11404359.suicide-verdict-for-missing-21-year-old-found-in-tree-at-meyrick-park-golf-club/
This body was in the tree for three years. In a park!
3: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5098610/Skeleton-found-in-tree-29-years-after-suicide.html
This body was a skeleton, found after 29 years.
Summary - if you want it to fall out after 3 days, fine. But decomposition is a lot slower up off the ground. Ants, worms and beetles access the body from the ground and a body on the ground will also stay moist which facilitates decomposition. Coyotes, armadillos and the like will not be able to get a body in a tree and depending how deep in the branches it is, vultures might not either. It is those big animals that pull a corpse apart.
What is left is insects and they will leave the skeleton intact. In your scenario, I suspect fly maggots will eliminate the soft parts while it is summer; that will also eliminate much of the ability of the corpse to hang on to moisture. Once the weather cools the insects die off and then what is left will desiccate in the dry cool winter. The desiccated sinews and muscles will hold the skeleton together and are not very attractive to scavengers. If you need it to stay up there lodged in the branches for decades, that can happen.
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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– Tomáš Zato
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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– James Jenkins
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You can have it stay up there as long as your story needs it to stay up there.
People sometimes climb up into trees and kill themselves. I remember reading about one such that winter hikers spotted. The body had been up there for years. I could not find that one again but here are others.
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100499/Melissa-Joy-Dietzel-Decomposing-body-woman-30ft-tree-Sydney-missing-US-tourist.html
Her body was up in the tree for 2 weeks. It was a populated area and people smelled it.
2: https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11404359.suicide-verdict-for-missing-21-year-old-found-in-tree-at-meyrick-park-golf-club/
This body was in the tree for three years. In a park!
3: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5098610/Skeleton-found-in-tree-29-years-after-suicide.html
This body was a skeleton, found after 29 years.
Summary - if you want it to fall out after 3 days, fine. But decomposition is a lot slower up off the ground. Ants, worms and beetles access the body from the ground and a body on the ground will also stay moist which facilitates decomposition. Coyotes, armadillos and the like will not be able to get a body in a tree and depending how deep in the branches it is, vultures might not either. It is those big animals that pull a corpse apart.
What is left is insects and they will leave the skeleton intact. In your scenario, I suspect fly maggots will eliminate the soft parts while it is summer; that will also eliminate much of the ability of the corpse to hang on to moisture. Once the weather cools the insects die off and then what is left will desiccate in the dry cool winter. The desiccated sinews and muscles will hold the skeleton together and are not very attractive to scavengers. If you need it to stay up there lodged in the branches for decades, that can happen.
answered Jan 14 at 1:24
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You can have it stay up there as long as your story needs it to stay up there.
People sometimes climb up into trees and kill themselves. I remember reading about one such that winter hikers spotted. The body had been up there for years. I could not find that one again but here are others.
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100499/Melissa-Joy-Dietzel-Decomposing-body-woman-30ft-tree-Sydney-missing-US-tourist.html
Her body was up in the tree for 2 weeks. It was a populated area and people smelled it.
2: https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11404359.suicide-verdict-for-missing-21-year-old-found-in-tree-at-meyrick-park-golf-club/
This body was in the tree for three years. In a park!
3: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/5098610/Skeleton-found-in-tree-29-years-after-suicide.html
This body was a skeleton, found after 29 years.
Summary - if you want it to fall out after 3 days, fine. But decomposition is a lot slower up off the ground. Ants, worms and beetles access the body from the ground and a body on the ground will also stay moist which facilitates decomposition. Coyotes, armadillos and the like will not be able to get a body in a tree and depending how deep in the branches it is, vultures might not either. It is those big animals that pull a corpse apart.
What is left is insects and they will leave the skeleton intact. In your scenario, I suspect fly maggots will eliminate the soft parts while it is summer; that will also eliminate much of the ability of the corpse to hang on to moisture. Once the weather cools the insects die off and then what is left will desiccate in the dry cool winter. The desiccated sinews and muscles will hold the skeleton together and are not very attractive to scavengers. If you need it to stay up there lodged in the branches for decades, that can happen.
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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– Tomáš Zato
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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– jmoreno
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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– Tomáš Zato
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
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the problem is those are all either hot DRY environments or reports from tabloids which are not reliable.
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– John
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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– jmoreno
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@John: from a world building point of view, merely the fact that the stories exist makes are enough evidence that the idea is believable enough for a story.
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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It's interesting that the two longer periods both involved the bodies being tied to the tree - (2) was "Willing self suspension" (He hung himself? or was it just meant that he was up there) and (3) he'd tied himself to the trunk before shooting himself.
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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– Tomáš Zato
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@jmoreno Not when the question is tagged science based.
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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– James Jenkins
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More than 10 years ago there was a body in tree near Olympia Washington. It stayed for a year+, The body was a suicide and was found by a person with a bench warrant for their arrest (unrelated) the ultimately it was not reported until the bench warrant was addressed, I searched for and can not find the article.
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Europe used the gibbet as a deterrent for various crimes, generally those which opposed the state or religious authority. Depending on how firmly your body is wedged in the tree, this may give a useful parallel with plenty of documented evidence.
Most of central and northern Europe will fall below zero in winter, and will not normally be so hot in summer. Still, it is worth noting one example of gibbetting where the remains of the body survived in its cage for 6 years. Most likely it would have been fully skeletonised by then, of course.
There are also a large number of cases of slaves and pirates gibbetted in the Caribbean, and these are more likely to be comparable to your temperatures. I don't have the time to research these, but I'm sure you can find some fairly easily.
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Europe used the gibbet as a deterrent for various crimes, generally those which opposed the state or religious authority. Depending on how firmly your body is wedged in the tree, this may give a useful parallel with plenty of documented evidence.
Most of central and northern Europe will fall below zero in winter, and will not normally be so hot in summer. Still, it is worth noting one example of gibbetting where the remains of the body survived in its cage for 6 years. Most likely it would have been fully skeletonised by then, of course.
There are also a large number of cases of slaves and pirates gibbetted in the Caribbean, and these are more likely to be comparable to your temperatures. I don't have the time to research these, but I'm sure you can find some fairly easily.
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Europe used the gibbet as a deterrent for various crimes, generally those which opposed the state or religious authority. Depending on how firmly your body is wedged in the tree, this may give a useful parallel with plenty of documented evidence.
Most of central and northern Europe will fall below zero in winter, and will not normally be so hot in summer. Still, it is worth noting one example of gibbetting where the remains of the body survived in its cage for 6 years. Most likely it would have been fully skeletonised by then, of course.
There are also a large number of cases of slaves and pirates gibbetted in the Caribbean, and these are more likely to be comparable to your temperatures. I don't have the time to research these, but I'm sure you can find some fairly easily.
answered Jan 14 at 10:41
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Europe used the gibbet as a deterrent for various crimes, generally those which opposed the state or religious authority. Depending on how firmly your body is wedged in the tree, this may give a useful parallel with plenty of documented evidence.
Most of central and northern Europe will fall below zero in winter, and will not normally be so hot in summer. Still, it is worth noting one example of gibbetting where the remains of the body survived in its cage for 6 years. Most likely it would have been fully skeletonised by then, of course.
There are also a large number of cases of slaves and pirates gibbetted in the Caribbean, and these are more likely to be comparable to your temperatures. I don't have the time to research these, but I'm sure you can find some fairly easily.
answered Jan 14 at 10:41
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As Sledge remembers: “It was gruesome to see the stages of decay proceed from just killed, to bloated, to maggot-infested rotting, to partially exposed bones — like some biological clock marking the inexorable passage of time.” – artofmanliness.com On the 70th Anniversary of VJ Day, Eugene B. Sledge Puts Your First World Problems Into Perspective
Battle of Peleliu: 15 September – 27 November 1944 (duration: 2 months, 12 days)
My grandfather was only on Peleliu for two weeks before his amphtrack broke, and was from there after a stretcher bearer until he was wounded. He had similar anecdotes about 'explosive decomposition'.
That would bring the duration down to about eight weeks; your temperatures allow for six. I deem it extremely implausible that they would be, a) still in a tree, and b) recognizable.
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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As Sledge remembers: “It was gruesome to see the stages of decay proceed from just killed, to bloated, to maggot-infested rotting, to partially exposed bones — like some biological clock marking the inexorable passage of time.” – artofmanliness.com On the 70th Anniversary of VJ Day, Eugene B. Sledge Puts Your First World Problems Into Perspective
Battle of Peleliu: 15 September – 27 November 1944 (duration: 2 months, 12 days)
My grandfather was only on Peleliu for two weeks before his amphtrack broke, and was from there after a stretcher bearer until he was wounded. He had similar anecdotes about 'explosive decomposition'.
That would bring the duration down to about eight weeks; your temperatures allow for six. I deem it extremely implausible that they would be, a) still in a tree, and b) recognizable.
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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As Sledge remembers: “It was gruesome to see the stages of decay proceed from just killed, to bloated, to maggot-infested rotting, to partially exposed bones — like some biological clock marking the inexorable passage of time.” – artofmanliness.com On the 70th Anniversary of VJ Day, Eugene B. Sledge Puts Your First World Problems Into Perspective
Battle of Peleliu: 15 September – 27 November 1944 (duration: 2 months, 12 days)
My grandfather was only on Peleliu for two weeks before his amphtrack broke, and was from there after a stretcher bearer until he was wounded. He had similar anecdotes about 'explosive decomposition'.
That would bring the duration down to about eight weeks; your temperatures allow for six. I deem it extremely implausible that they would be, a) still in a tree, and b) recognizable.
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As Sledge remembers: “It was gruesome to see the stages of decay proceed from just killed, to bloated, to maggot-infested rotting, to partially exposed bones — like some biological clock marking the inexorable passage of time.” – artofmanliness.com On the 70th Anniversary of VJ Day, Eugene B. Sledge Puts Your First World Problems Into Perspective
Battle of Peleliu: 15 September – 27 November 1944 (duration: 2 months, 12 days)
My grandfather was only on Peleliu for two weeks before his amphtrack broke, and was from there after a stretcher bearer until he was wounded. He had similar anecdotes about 'explosive decomposition'.
That would bring the duration down to about eight weeks; your temperatures allow for six. I deem it extremely implausible that they would be, a) still in a tree, and b) recognizable.
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answered Jan 14 at 5:25
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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– Mazura
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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– Mazura
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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– Mazura
Jan 15 at 1:40
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I left out the best part. My grandpa was a survivor of gangrene of the leg (which he kept); woke up in a hospital bed in a room full of dead people, whom he was assumed to join shortly. Hobbled over to a nurse in another room, where they treated him and scooped maggots out of his leg. In conditions like these, you don't even have to be dead to begin decaying.
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– Mazura
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What are the clothes composed of?
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– Arkenstein XII
Jan 14 at 0:53
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What's holding it to the tree? A large scavenger could knock it down in a couple minutes. Is it hanging (from the neck)? Is it stuffed into a secure notch?
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:04
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You can get something beyond speculation if you can find details of historical gibbiting -- the public display of the bodies of dead criminals. In many cases they were allowed to decay away completely. It took more than a few days.
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– Mark Olson
Jan 14 at 1:05
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In that case, @StephenBurgos definitely check into gibbeting. That's where people used to be locked into hanging cages until they died and their rotted corpses fell through the bars of the cage.
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– elemtilas
Jan 14 at 1:20
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You might find this interesting; Creepy photos show horse's skeleton in a tree beside River Aire in Leeds. This horse skeleton appears to have been wedged in the tree branches for long enough for it to have entirely decayed to bare bones
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– Richard
Jan 14 at 22:20