Question about the fundamental theorem of field theory
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In this proof, I understand the logic that E contains a copy of F and so we are considering E as an extension of F . But, why should we? Why is E considered as an extension of F even though F is not actually a subfield of E ? .
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In this proof, I understand the logic that E contains a copy of F and so we are considering E as an extension of F . But, why should we? Why is E considered as an extension of F even though F is not actually a subfield of E ? .
field-theory
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Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism. Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:05
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You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[X]/(x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[X]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:09
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Ah, I got it, thank you !
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 1 at 23:25
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you might wanna accept an answer, or at least upvote the answers you found useful. If only to take the question out of the unresolved pile. If you don’t think the question is resolved and still have queries feel free to ask and I might try and write out a longer answer?
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 2 at 10:28
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No, i think your answer is great and enough . And I tried to upvote your answer, but, apparently i cannot . It says "You cannot vote for this comment" .
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Feb 2 at 12:54
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In this proof, I understand the logic that E contains a copy of F and so we are considering E as an extension of F . But, why should we? Why is E considered as an extension of F even though F is not actually a subfield of E ? .
field-theory
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In this proof, I understand the logic that E contains a copy of F and so we are considering E as an extension of F . But, why should we? Why is E considered as an extension of F even though F is not actually a subfield of E ? .
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Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism. Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:05
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You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[X]/(x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[X]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:09
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Ah, I got it, thank you !
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 1 at 23:25
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you might wanna accept an answer, or at least upvote the answers you found useful. If only to take the question out of the unresolved pile. If you don’t think the question is resolved and still have queries feel free to ask and I might try and write out a longer answer?
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 2 at 10:28
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No, i think your answer is great and enough . And I tried to upvote your answer, but, apparently i cannot . It says "You cannot vote for this comment" .
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 2 at 12:54
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show 1 more comment
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Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism. Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:05
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You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[X]/(x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[X]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:09
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Ah, I got it, thank you !
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 1 at 23:25
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you might wanna accept an answer, or at least upvote the answers you found useful. If only to take the question out of the unresolved pile. If you don’t think the question is resolved and still have queries feel free to ask and I might try and write out a longer answer?
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 2 at 10:28
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No, i think your answer is great and enough . And I tried to upvote your answer, but, apparently i cannot . It says "You cannot vote for this comment" .
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 2 at 12:54
$begingroup$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism. Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:05
$begingroup$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism. Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:05
$begingroup$
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[X]/(x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[X]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:09
$begingroup$
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[X]/(x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[X]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:09
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Ah, I got it, thank you !
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 1 at 23:25
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Ah, I got it, thank you !
$endgroup$
– Ganeshbabu
Feb 1 at 23:25
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you might wanna accept an answer, or at least upvote the answers you found useful. If only to take the question out of the unresolved pile. If you don’t think the question is resolved and still have queries feel free to ask and I might try and write out a longer answer?
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 2 at 10:28
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you might wanna accept an answer, or at least upvote the answers you found useful. If only to take the question out of the unresolved pile. If you don’t think the question is resolved and still have queries feel free to ask and I might try and write out a longer answer?
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 2 at 10:28
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No, i think your answer is great and enough . And I tried to upvote your answer, but, apparently i cannot . It says "You cannot vote for this comment" .
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 2 at 12:54
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No, i think your answer is great and enough . And I tried to upvote your answer, but, apparently i cannot . It says "You cannot vote for this comment" .
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$textit{Just submitting my comments from above as answer to resolve this question.}$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism.
Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[x] / (x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[x]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 2 at 13:08
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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If f is a polynomial of degree d, then an element of $F[x]/(f)$, looks like $a_0+a_1X+...a_{d-1}X^{d-1}$, ie polynomials in F[x] of degree at most d-1. In particular, it contains all polynomials which are constant, ie it contains F.
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$textit{Just submitting my comments from above as answer to resolve this question.}$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism.
Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[x] / (x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[x]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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$textit{Just submitting my comments from above as answer to resolve this question.}$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism.
Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[x] / (x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[x]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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– Ganeshbabu
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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– Adam Higgins
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$textit{Just submitting my comments from above as answer to resolve this question.}$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism.
Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[x] / (x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[x]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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$textit{Just submitting my comments from above as answer to resolve this question.}$
Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism.
Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[x] / (x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[x]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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Thank you . Just to clarify, I've accepted this answer and also upvoted it . But, it's not getting displayed since I don't have 15 points yet :) .
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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@Ganeshbabu oh sure! No worries :)
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If f is a polynomial of degree d, then an element of $F[x]/(f)$, looks like $a_0+a_1X+...a_{d-1}X^{d-1}$, ie polynomials in F[x] of degree at most d-1. In particular, it contains all polynomials which are constant, ie it contains F.
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If f is a polynomial of degree d, then an element of $F[x]/(f)$, looks like $a_0+a_1X+...a_{d-1}X^{d-1}$, ie polynomials in F[x] of degree at most d-1. In particular, it contains all polynomials which are constant, ie it contains F.
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If f is a polynomial of degree d, then an element of $F[x]/(f)$, looks like $a_0+a_1X+...a_{d-1}X^{d-1}$, ie polynomials in F[x] of degree at most d-1. In particular, it contains all polynomials which are constant, ie it contains F.
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If f is a polynomial of degree d, then an element of $F[x]/(f)$, looks like $a_0+a_1X+...a_{d-1}X^{d-1}$, ie polynomials in F[x] of degree at most d-1. In particular, it contains all polynomials which are constant, ie it contains F.
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Because in abstract algebra, we often (read almost always) classify things only up to isomorphism. There are many reasons for this, but perhaps the most simple is that we only really care about understanding the structure rather than the specific realisation of this structure. You might have read the statement that there is a unique finite field of each prime power order, but this is a statement only up to isomorphism. Thus we say that one field is an extension of another, whenever there is an injection from one into the other.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:05
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You might have seen before that the Algebraic construction of the complex numbers is given by $mathbb{R}[X]/(x^{2} + 1)$. So technically speaking in this construction, every element of $mathbb{C}$ is a representative for an equivalence class in $mathbb{R}[X]$. Thus you could say that set theoretically, in this construction, $mathbb{C}$ does not literally contain $mathbb{R}$ as a subfield, but there is an obvious injection from $mathbb{R}$ into $mathbb{C}$. Thus $mathbb{R}$ is a subfield of $mathbb{C}$ in the only way it really matters.
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 1 at 10:09
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Ah, I got it, thank you !
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 1 at 23:25
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you might wanna accept an answer, or at least upvote the answers you found useful. If only to take the question out of the unresolved pile. If you don’t think the question is resolved and still have queries feel free to ask and I might try and write out a longer answer?
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– Adam Higgins
Feb 2 at 10:28
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No, i think your answer is great and enough . And I tried to upvote your answer, but, apparently i cannot . It says "You cannot vote for this comment" .
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– Ganeshbabu
Feb 2 at 12:54