Cardinality of set of fractional sums
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What is the cardinality of the set $S_2$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n}, 1 leq a_1,a_2 leq k in N$$
for different values of $n$?
I suspect there is an $n_0$ for which $|S_2| = binom{k+1}{2}, forall n geq n_0$.
Is there such an $n_0$ for all sets $S_m$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n} + cdots + frac{1}{a_m^n}, 1 leq a_i leq k$$
i.e. $n_0: |S_m| = binom{k+m-1}{m}, forall n geq n_0$?
Example:
For the set $S_2$, with $k=3, n=2$:
$$ S = {frac{1}{1} + frac{1}{1}, frac{1}{1}+ frac{1}{2^2}, ldots, frac{1}{3^2} + frac{1}{3^2} } = { 2, frac{5}{4}, frac{10}{9}, frac{1}{2}, frac{13}{36}, frac{2}{9} }$$
so $$ |S_2(k=3,n=2)| = 6 $$
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What is the cardinality of the set $S_2$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n}, 1 leq a_1,a_2 leq k in N$$
for different values of $n$?
I suspect there is an $n_0$ for which $|S_2| = binom{k+1}{2}, forall n geq n_0$.
Is there such an $n_0$ for all sets $S_m$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n} + cdots + frac{1}{a_m^n}, 1 leq a_i leq k$$
i.e. $n_0: |S_m| = binom{k+m-1}{m}, forall n geq n_0$?
Example:
For the set $S_2$, with $k=3, n=2$:
$$ S = {frac{1}{1} + frac{1}{1}, frac{1}{1}+ frac{1}{2^2}, ldots, frac{1}{3^2} + frac{1}{3^2} } = { 2, frac{5}{4}, frac{10}{9}, frac{1}{2}, frac{13}{36}, frac{2}{9} }$$
so $$ |S_2(k=3,n=2)| = 6 $$
combinatorics elementary-number-theory discrete-mathematics
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I think your question should be tagged [combinatorics] and [elementary-number-theory], not [set-theory] and [cardinals].
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– Hanul Jeon
Jan 17 '16 at 4:58
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A better way to express this would be: is it true that for every $k, m in Bbb{N}$, s.t. $m geq 2$ and $k geq 1$, there is an $n_0 in Bbb{N}$ such that the numbers $$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + dotsb + frac{1}{a_m^n} $$ with $a_1,dotsc,a_m in {1,dotsc,k}$ are all different for every $n geq n_0$?
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:08
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By the way, the symbol $S_n$ is less than ideal, because your set depends on $k$ and $n$, too. Thus a symbol like $S_2(k,n)$ or $S_{2,k}(n)$ would be more appropriate. This is made even more important by the fact that you're asking about a property of this set in function of $n$.
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:48
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I'm sorry: I can't edit it anymore, but in my previous comment I should have said "with $1 leq a_1 leq dotsc leq a_n leq k$".
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 16:01
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@A.P. thanks for your comments. I'm also interested in the cardinality of the set, not just a proof of existence of $n_0$. I used $S_x$ instead of $S_{m,k,n}$ (or whatever) to remove some clutter.
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– Eelvex
Jan 17 '16 at 20:14
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What is the cardinality of the set $S_2$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n}, 1 leq a_1,a_2 leq k in N$$
for different values of $n$?
I suspect there is an $n_0$ for which $|S_2| = binom{k+1}{2}, forall n geq n_0$.
Is there such an $n_0$ for all sets $S_m$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n} + cdots + frac{1}{a_m^n}, 1 leq a_i leq k$$
i.e. $n_0: |S_m| = binom{k+m-1}{m}, forall n geq n_0$?
Example:
For the set $S_2$, with $k=3, n=2$:
$$ S = {frac{1}{1} + frac{1}{1}, frac{1}{1}+ frac{1}{2^2}, ldots, frac{1}{3^2} + frac{1}{3^2} } = { 2, frac{5}{4}, frac{10}{9}, frac{1}{2}, frac{13}{36}, frac{2}{9} }$$
so $$ |S_2(k=3,n=2)| = 6 $$
combinatorics elementary-number-theory discrete-mathematics
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What is the cardinality of the set $S_2$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n}, 1 leq a_1,a_2 leq k in N$$
for different values of $n$?
I suspect there is an $n_0$ for which $|S_2| = binom{k+1}{2}, forall n geq n_0$.
Is there such an $n_0$ for all sets $S_m$:
$$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + frac{1}{a_2^n} + cdots + frac{1}{a_m^n}, 1 leq a_i leq k$$
i.e. $n_0: |S_m| = binom{k+m-1}{m}, forall n geq n_0$?
Example:
For the set $S_2$, with $k=3, n=2$:
$$ S = {frac{1}{1} + frac{1}{1}, frac{1}{1}+ frac{1}{2^2}, ldots, frac{1}{3^2} + frac{1}{3^2} } = { 2, frac{5}{4}, frac{10}{9}, frac{1}{2}, frac{13}{36}, frac{2}{9} }$$
so $$ |S_2(k=3,n=2)| = 6 $$
combinatorics elementary-number-theory discrete-mathematics
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I think your question should be tagged [combinatorics] and [elementary-number-theory], not [set-theory] and [cardinals].
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– Hanul Jeon
Jan 17 '16 at 4:58
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A better way to express this would be: is it true that for every $k, m in Bbb{N}$, s.t. $m geq 2$ and $k geq 1$, there is an $n_0 in Bbb{N}$ such that the numbers $$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + dotsb + frac{1}{a_m^n} $$ with $a_1,dotsc,a_m in {1,dotsc,k}$ are all different for every $n geq n_0$?
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:08
1
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By the way, the symbol $S_n$ is less than ideal, because your set depends on $k$ and $n$, too. Thus a symbol like $S_2(k,n)$ or $S_{2,k}(n)$ would be more appropriate. This is made even more important by the fact that you're asking about a property of this set in function of $n$.
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:48
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I'm sorry: I can't edit it anymore, but in my previous comment I should have said "with $1 leq a_1 leq dotsc leq a_n leq k$".
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 16:01
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@A.P. thanks for your comments. I'm also interested in the cardinality of the set, not just a proof of existence of $n_0$. I used $S_x$ instead of $S_{m,k,n}$ (or whatever) to remove some clutter.
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– Eelvex
Jan 17 '16 at 20:14
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1
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I think your question should be tagged [combinatorics] and [elementary-number-theory], not [set-theory] and [cardinals].
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– Hanul Jeon
Jan 17 '16 at 4:58
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A better way to express this would be: is it true that for every $k, m in Bbb{N}$, s.t. $m geq 2$ and $k geq 1$, there is an $n_0 in Bbb{N}$ such that the numbers $$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + dotsb + frac{1}{a_m^n} $$ with $a_1,dotsc,a_m in {1,dotsc,k}$ are all different for every $n geq n_0$?
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:08
1
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By the way, the symbol $S_n$ is less than ideal, because your set depends on $k$ and $n$, too. Thus a symbol like $S_2(k,n)$ or $S_{2,k}(n)$ would be more appropriate. This is made even more important by the fact that you're asking about a property of this set in function of $n$.
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:48
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I'm sorry: I can't edit it anymore, but in my previous comment I should have said "with $1 leq a_1 leq dotsc leq a_n leq k$".
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 16:01
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@A.P. thanks for your comments. I'm also interested in the cardinality of the set, not just a proof of existence of $n_0$. I used $S_x$ instead of $S_{m,k,n}$ (or whatever) to remove some clutter.
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– Eelvex
Jan 17 '16 at 20:14
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I think your question should be tagged [combinatorics] and [elementary-number-theory], not [set-theory] and [cardinals].
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– Hanul Jeon
Jan 17 '16 at 4:58
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I think your question should be tagged [combinatorics] and [elementary-number-theory], not [set-theory] and [cardinals].
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– Hanul Jeon
Jan 17 '16 at 4:58
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A better way to express this would be: is it true that for every $k, m in Bbb{N}$, s.t. $m geq 2$ and $k geq 1$, there is an $n_0 in Bbb{N}$ such that the numbers $$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + dotsb + frac{1}{a_m^n} $$ with $a_1,dotsc,a_m in {1,dotsc,k}$ are all different for every $n geq n_0$?
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:08
$begingroup$
A better way to express this would be: is it true that for every $k, m in Bbb{N}$, s.t. $m geq 2$ and $k geq 1$, there is an $n_0 in Bbb{N}$ such that the numbers $$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + dotsb + frac{1}{a_m^n} $$ with $a_1,dotsc,a_m in {1,dotsc,k}$ are all different for every $n geq n_0$?
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:08
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1
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By the way, the symbol $S_n$ is less than ideal, because your set depends on $k$ and $n$, too. Thus a symbol like $S_2(k,n)$ or $S_{2,k}(n)$ would be more appropriate. This is made even more important by the fact that you're asking about a property of this set in function of $n$.
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:48
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By the way, the symbol $S_n$ is less than ideal, because your set depends on $k$ and $n$, too. Thus a symbol like $S_2(k,n)$ or $S_{2,k}(n)$ would be more appropriate. This is made even more important by the fact that you're asking about a property of this set in function of $n$.
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:48
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I'm sorry: I can't edit it anymore, but in my previous comment I should have said "with $1 leq a_1 leq dotsc leq a_n leq k$".
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 16:01
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I'm sorry: I can't edit it anymore, but in my previous comment I should have said "with $1 leq a_1 leq dotsc leq a_n leq k$".
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 16:01
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@A.P. thanks for your comments. I'm also interested in the cardinality of the set, not just a proof of existence of $n_0$. I used $S_x$ instead of $S_{m,k,n}$ (or whatever) to remove some clutter.
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– Eelvex
Jan 17 '16 at 20:14
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@A.P. thanks for your comments. I'm also interested in the cardinality of the set, not just a proof of existence of $n_0$. I used $S_x$ instead of $S_{m,k,n}$ (or whatever) to remove some clutter.
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Proposition. For each $m, kge 2$, $|S_m(k,n)|={k+m-1choose m}$ for each $nge log_{frac k{k-1}} m-1$.
Proof. We shall follow A.P.’s comment. Let $mathcal S$ be a family of non-decreasing sequences $(a_1,dots, a_m)$ of natural numbers between $1$ and $k$. For each $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)in mathcal S$ put $Sigma S=a_1^{-n}+dots a_m^{-n}$. Since $|mathcal S|={k+m-1choose m}$, we have to show that numbers $Sigma S$ are distinct when $Sinmathcal S$. Suppose to the contrary, that there exists distinct sequences $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)$ and $T=(b_1,dots, b_m)$ in $mathcal S$ such that $Sigma S=Sigma T$. Let $i$ be the smallest number such that $a_ine b_i$. Without loss of generality we may suppose that $a_i<b_i$. Then
$$Sigma S-Sigma Tge a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} a^{-n}_j - b^{-n}_jge$$ $$a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} k^{-n} - b^{-n}_i=$$ $$a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)b^{-n}_ige$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)(a_i+1)^{-n}ge$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(a_i+1)^{-n}=f(a_i),$$
where $f(x)=x^{-n}+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(x+1)^{-n}$. Since $f(k-1)=(k-1)^{-n}-k^{-n}>0$, to obtain a contradiction it suffices to show that
$f’(x)<0$ for $1le x<k-1$. Since $f’(x)=(-n)x^{-n-1}+nm(x+1)^{-n-1}$, we have to check that
$x^{-n-1}-m(x+1)^{-n-1}>0$
$x^{-n-1}>m(x+1)^{-n-1}$
$left( x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>m$
which is true, because $left(x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>left(1+frac{1}{k-1}right)^{n+1}ge m$. $square$
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Proposition. For each $m, kge 2$, $|S_m(k,n)|={k+m-1choose m}$ for each $nge log_{frac k{k-1}} m-1$.
Proof. We shall follow A.P.’s comment. Let $mathcal S$ be a family of non-decreasing sequences $(a_1,dots, a_m)$ of natural numbers between $1$ and $k$. For each $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)in mathcal S$ put $Sigma S=a_1^{-n}+dots a_m^{-n}$. Since $|mathcal S|={k+m-1choose m}$, we have to show that numbers $Sigma S$ are distinct when $Sinmathcal S$. Suppose to the contrary, that there exists distinct sequences $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)$ and $T=(b_1,dots, b_m)$ in $mathcal S$ such that $Sigma S=Sigma T$. Let $i$ be the smallest number such that $a_ine b_i$. Without loss of generality we may suppose that $a_i<b_i$. Then
$$Sigma S-Sigma Tge a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} a^{-n}_j - b^{-n}_jge$$ $$a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} k^{-n} - b^{-n}_i=$$ $$a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)b^{-n}_ige$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)(a_i+1)^{-n}ge$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(a_i+1)^{-n}=f(a_i),$$
where $f(x)=x^{-n}+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(x+1)^{-n}$. Since $f(k-1)=(k-1)^{-n}-k^{-n}>0$, to obtain a contradiction it suffices to show that
$f’(x)<0$ for $1le x<k-1$. Since $f’(x)=(-n)x^{-n-1}+nm(x+1)^{-n-1}$, we have to check that
$x^{-n-1}-m(x+1)^{-n-1}>0$
$x^{-n-1}>m(x+1)^{-n-1}$
$left( x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>m$
which is true, because $left(x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>left(1+frac{1}{k-1}right)^{n+1}ge m$. $square$
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Proposition. For each $m, kge 2$, $|S_m(k,n)|={k+m-1choose m}$ for each $nge log_{frac k{k-1}} m-1$.
Proof. We shall follow A.P.’s comment. Let $mathcal S$ be a family of non-decreasing sequences $(a_1,dots, a_m)$ of natural numbers between $1$ and $k$. For each $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)in mathcal S$ put $Sigma S=a_1^{-n}+dots a_m^{-n}$. Since $|mathcal S|={k+m-1choose m}$, we have to show that numbers $Sigma S$ are distinct when $Sinmathcal S$. Suppose to the contrary, that there exists distinct sequences $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)$ and $T=(b_1,dots, b_m)$ in $mathcal S$ such that $Sigma S=Sigma T$. Let $i$ be the smallest number such that $a_ine b_i$. Without loss of generality we may suppose that $a_i<b_i$. Then
$$Sigma S-Sigma Tge a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} a^{-n}_j - b^{-n}_jge$$ $$a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} k^{-n} - b^{-n}_i=$$ $$a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)b^{-n}_ige$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)(a_i+1)^{-n}ge$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(a_i+1)^{-n}=f(a_i),$$
where $f(x)=x^{-n}+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(x+1)^{-n}$. Since $f(k-1)=(k-1)^{-n}-k^{-n}>0$, to obtain a contradiction it suffices to show that
$f’(x)<0$ for $1le x<k-1$. Since $f’(x)=(-n)x^{-n-1}+nm(x+1)^{-n-1}$, we have to check that
$x^{-n-1}-m(x+1)^{-n-1}>0$
$x^{-n-1}>m(x+1)^{-n-1}$
$left( x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>m$
which is true, because $left(x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>left(1+frac{1}{k-1}right)^{n+1}ge m$. $square$
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Proposition. For each $m, kge 2$, $|S_m(k,n)|={k+m-1choose m}$ for each $nge log_{frac k{k-1}} m-1$.
Proof. We shall follow A.P.’s comment. Let $mathcal S$ be a family of non-decreasing sequences $(a_1,dots, a_m)$ of natural numbers between $1$ and $k$. For each $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)in mathcal S$ put $Sigma S=a_1^{-n}+dots a_m^{-n}$. Since $|mathcal S|={k+m-1choose m}$, we have to show that numbers $Sigma S$ are distinct when $Sinmathcal S$. Suppose to the contrary, that there exists distinct sequences $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)$ and $T=(b_1,dots, b_m)$ in $mathcal S$ such that $Sigma S=Sigma T$. Let $i$ be the smallest number such that $a_ine b_i$. Without loss of generality we may suppose that $a_i<b_i$. Then
$$Sigma S-Sigma Tge a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} a^{-n}_j - b^{-n}_jge$$ $$a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} k^{-n} - b^{-n}_i=$$ $$a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)b^{-n}_ige$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)(a_i+1)^{-n}ge$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(a_i+1)^{-n}=f(a_i),$$
where $f(x)=x^{-n}+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(x+1)^{-n}$. Since $f(k-1)=(k-1)^{-n}-k^{-n}>0$, to obtain a contradiction it suffices to show that
$f’(x)<0$ for $1le x<k-1$. Since $f’(x)=(-n)x^{-n-1}+nm(x+1)^{-n-1}$, we have to check that
$x^{-n-1}-m(x+1)^{-n-1}>0$
$x^{-n-1}>m(x+1)^{-n-1}$
$left( x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>m$
which is true, because $left(x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>left(1+frac{1}{k-1}right)^{n+1}ge m$. $square$
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Proposition. For each $m, kge 2$, $|S_m(k,n)|={k+m-1choose m}$ for each $nge log_{frac k{k-1}} m-1$.
Proof. We shall follow A.P.’s comment. Let $mathcal S$ be a family of non-decreasing sequences $(a_1,dots, a_m)$ of natural numbers between $1$ and $k$. For each $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)in mathcal S$ put $Sigma S=a_1^{-n}+dots a_m^{-n}$. Since $|mathcal S|={k+m-1choose m}$, we have to show that numbers $Sigma S$ are distinct when $Sinmathcal S$. Suppose to the contrary, that there exists distinct sequences $S=(a_1,dots, a_m)$ and $T=(b_1,dots, b_m)$ in $mathcal S$ such that $Sigma S=Sigma T$. Let $i$ be the smallest number such that $a_ine b_i$. Without loss of generality we may suppose that $a_i<b_i$. Then
$$Sigma S-Sigma Tge a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} a^{-n}_j - b^{-n}_jge$$ $$a^{-n}_i- b^{-n}_i+sum_{j>i} k^{-n} - b^{-n}_i=$$ $$a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)b^{-n}_ige$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-i)k^{-n}-(m-i+1)(a_i+1)^{-n}ge$$ $$ a^{-n}_i+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(a_i+1)^{-n}=f(a_i),$$
where $f(x)=x^{-n}+(m-1)k^{-n}-m(x+1)^{-n}$. Since $f(k-1)=(k-1)^{-n}-k^{-n}>0$, to obtain a contradiction it suffices to show that
$f’(x)<0$ for $1le x<k-1$. Since $f’(x)=(-n)x^{-n-1}+nm(x+1)^{-n-1}$, we have to check that
$x^{-n-1}-m(x+1)^{-n-1}>0$
$x^{-n-1}>m(x+1)^{-n-1}$
$left( x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>m$
which is true, because $left(x+frac{1}{x}right)^{n+1}>left(1+frac{1}{k-1}right)^{n+1}ge m$. $square$
answered Jan 10 at 4:28


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I think your question should be tagged [combinatorics] and [elementary-number-theory], not [set-theory] and [cardinals].
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– Hanul Jeon
Jan 17 '16 at 4:58
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A better way to express this would be: is it true that for every $k, m in Bbb{N}$, s.t. $m geq 2$ and $k geq 1$, there is an $n_0 in Bbb{N}$ such that the numbers $$ frac{1}{a_1^n} + dotsb + frac{1}{a_m^n} $$ with $a_1,dotsc,a_m in {1,dotsc,k}$ are all different for every $n geq n_0$?
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:08
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By the way, the symbol $S_n$ is less than ideal, because your set depends on $k$ and $n$, too. Thus a symbol like $S_2(k,n)$ or $S_{2,k}(n)$ would be more appropriate. This is made even more important by the fact that you're asking about a property of this set in function of $n$.
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 15:48
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I'm sorry: I can't edit it anymore, but in my previous comment I should have said "with $1 leq a_1 leq dotsc leq a_n leq k$".
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– A.P.
Jan 17 '16 at 16:01
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@A.P. thanks for your comments. I'm also interested in the cardinality of the set, not just a proof of existence of $n_0$. I used $S_x$ instead of $S_{m,k,n}$ (or whatever) to remove some clutter.
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– Eelvex
Jan 17 '16 at 20:14