On cardinality: $|[0,1]|ge|{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}|$ and $|{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}|ge |(0,1)|$












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I have already proved the following results:




Proposition 1. Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge 2$.



Let $xin [0,1).$ Then exists a sequenece ${c_k}subseteq mathbb{N}$ such that $0le c_kle p-1$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$ and $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{p^k}.$$




$$$$




Proposition 2.
Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge2$. Let $xin[0,1)$ such that
begin{equation}
x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{a_k}{p^k}=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{b_k}{p^k}
end{equation}

with two distinct sequences ${a_k}$, ${b_k}subseteqmathbb{N}$, $0le a_kle p-1$, $0le b_kle p-1$ for all $kin mathbb{N}$.



Then exists $ninmathbb{N}$ such that $a_k=0$, $b_k=p-1$ for all $kge n+1$.






Let $xin (0,1)$, then for Proposition 1, in particular, $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty} frac{c_k}{2^k}$$ with ${c_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$. The map $$varphi_2colon (0,1)to {0,1}^{mathbb{N}},quadvarphi(x):={c_k}$$ defined by choosing binary development with a finite number $c_kne 0$ of in ambiguous cases (see Proposition 2.), is injective. In fact let $x,yin (0,1)$, then exists ${c_k},{d_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$ such that $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{2^k}quadtext{and}quad y=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{d_k}{2^k}.$$ We suppose that $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$, then ${c_k}={d_k}$ this means that $c_k=d_k$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$. Therefore $$x=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{2^k}=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{d_k}{2^k}=y,$$ then $varphi_2$ is injective.




Question 1. It's correct?




Now, we cosider tha map $$varphi_3colon {0,1}^{mathbb{N}}to [0,1],quadvarphi_3({c_k}):=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{3^k}$$




Question 2 How can I show that $varphi_3$ to be injective using the above proposition?




$$$$




Question 3. Is $varphi_3$ onto?




Thanks!










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  • $begingroup$
    You can't choose a binary development with finitely many $c_knot = 0$. (It's like saying that all the numbers are rational). What would you take instead of the sequence $(1,0,1,0,1,0,...)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:41










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    In the sense of the above proposition
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 20:47










  • $begingroup$
    Right I see you only choose this binary development if there are two different ways to express $x$. This also explains how $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$ implies that $x=y$ (perhaps you want to say a word about this). Other than that it seems like the answer to Question $1$ is yes. Also the answer to Question 2 is that $varphi_3$ is not injective because if you take $a_k,b_k$ as in the proposition you will have that $varphi_3({a_k}) = varphi_3 ({b_k})$.
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:50










  • $begingroup$
    I do not understand. Then, in order for $varphi_2$ to be well definited, if $x$ admits two binary equal developments, by convention, I choose that which is definitively null, by virtue of the previous lemma. For my book $varphi_3$ is injjective, but I did not understand why.
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 21:20












  • $begingroup$
    Oh right $varphi_3$ is injective (didn't realized you divide by $3^k$ instead of $2^k$) this follows from the proposition as if two expressions are equal one of the expressions must correspond to a sequence which takes the value $p-1$ in this case $p-1=2$ but we don't get such values. $varphi_3$ is not onto, it doesn't get $1$ (you can calculate the maximum by choosing all the $c_k$ to be one).
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 21:54


















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$begingroup$


I have already proved the following results:




Proposition 1. Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge 2$.



Let $xin [0,1).$ Then exists a sequenece ${c_k}subseteq mathbb{N}$ such that $0le c_kle p-1$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$ and $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{p^k}.$$




$$$$




Proposition 2.
Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge2$. Let $xin[0,1)$ such that
begin{equation}
x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{a_k}{p^k}=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{b_k}{p^k}
end{equation}

with two distinct sequences ${a_k}$, ${b_k}subseteqmathbb{N}$, $0le a_kle p-1$, $0le b_kle p-1$ for all $kin mathbb{N}$.



Then exists $ninmathbb{N}$ such that $a_k=0$, $b_k=p-1$ for all $kge n+1$.






Let $xin (0,1)$, then for Proposition 1, in particular, $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty} frac{c_k}{2^k}$$ with ${c_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$. The map $$varphi_2colon (0,1)to {0,1}^{mathbb{N}},quadvarphi(x):={c_k}$$ defined by choosing binary development with a finite number $c_kne 0$ of in ambiguous cases (see Proposition 2.), is injective. In fact let $x,yin (0,1)$, then exists ${c_k},{d_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$ such that $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{2^k}quadtext{and}quad y=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{d_k}{2^k}.$$ We suppose that $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$, then ${c_k}={d_k}$ this means that $c_k=d_k$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$. Therefore $$x=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{2^k}=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{d_k}{2^k}=y,$$ then $varphi_2$ is injective.




Question 1. It's correct?




Now, we cosider tha map $$varphi_3colon {0,1}^{mathbb{N}}to [0,1],quadvarphi_3({c_k}):=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{3^k}$$




Question 2 How can I show that $varphi_3$ to be injective using the above proposition?




$$$$




Question 3. Is $varphi_3$ onto?




Thanks!










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$












  • $begingroup$
    You can't choose a binary development with finitely many $c_knot = 0$. (It's like saying that all the numbers are rational). What would you take instead of the sequence $(1,0,1,0,1,0,...)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:41










  • $begingroup$
    In the sense of the above proposition
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 20:47










  • $begingroup$
    Right I see you only choose this binary development if there are two different ways to express $x$. This also explains how $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$ implies that $x=y$ (perhaps you want to say a word about this). Other than that it seems like the answer to Question $1$ is yes. Also the answer to Question 2 is that $varphi_3$ is not injective because if you take $a_k,b_k$ as in the proposition you will have that $varphi_3({a_k}) = varphi_3 ({b_k})$.
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:50










  • $begingroup$
    I do not understand. Then, in order for $varphi_2$ to be well definited, if $x$ admits two binary equal developments, by convention, I choose that which is definitively null, by virtue of the previous lemma. For my book $varphi_3$ is injjective, but I did not understand why.
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 21:20












  • $begingroup$
    Oh right $varphi_3$ is injective (didn't realized you divide by $3^k$ instead of $2^k$) this follows from the proposition as if two expressions are equal one of the expressions must correspond to a sequence which takes the value $p-1$ in this case $p-1=2$ but we don't get such values. $varphi_3$ is not onto, it doesn't get $1$ (you can calculate the maximum by choosing all the $c_k$ to be one).
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 21:54
















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$begingroup$


I have already proved the following results:




Proposition 1. Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge 2$.



Let $xin [0,1).$ Then exists a sequenece ${c_k}subseteq mathbb{N}$ such that $0le c_kle p-1$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$ and $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{p^k}.$$




$$$$




Proposition 2.
Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge2$. Let $xin[0,1)$ such that
begin{equation}
x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{a_k}{p^k}=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{b_k}{p^k}
end{equation}

with two distinct sequences ${a_k}$, ${b_k}subseteqmathbb{N}$, $0le a_kle p-1$, $0le b_kle p-1$ for all $kin mathbb{N}$.



Then exists $ninmathbb{N}$ such that $a_k=0$, $b_k=p-1$ for all $kge n+1$.






Let $xin (0,1)$, then for Proposition 1, in particular, $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty} frac{c_k}{2^k}$$ with ${c_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$. The map $$varphi_2colon (0,1)to {0,1}^{mathbb{N}},quadvarphi(x):={c_k}$$ defined by choosing binary development with a finite number $c_kne 0$ of in ambiguous cases (see Proposition 2.), is injective. In fact let $x,yin (0,1)$, then exists ${c_k},{d_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$ such that $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{2^k}quadtext{and}quad y=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{d_k}{2^k}.$$ We suppose that $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$, then ${c_k}={d_k}$ this means that $c_k=d_k$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$. Therefore $$x=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{2^k}=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{d_k}{2^k}=y,$$ then $varphi_2$ is injective.




Question 1. It's correct?




Now, we cosider tha map $$varphi_3colon {0,1}^{mathbb{N}}to [0,1],quadvarphi_3({c_k}):=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{3^k}$$




Question 2 How can I show that $varphi_3$ to be injective using the above proposition?




$$$$




Question 3. Is $varphi_3$ onto?




Thanks!










share|cite|improve this question











$endgroup$




I have already proved the following results:




Proposition 1. Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge 2$.



Let $xin [0,1).$ Then exists a sequenece ${c_k}subseteq mathbb{N}$ such that $0le c_kle p-1$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$ and $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{p^k}.$$




$$$$




Proposition 2.
Let $pinmathbb{N}$, $pge2$. Let $xin[0,1)$ such that
begin{equation}
x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{a_k}{p^k}=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{b_k}{p^k}
end{equation}

with two distinct sequences ${a_k}$, ${b_k}subseteqmathbb{N}$, $0le a_kle p-1$, $0le b_kle p-1$ for all $kin mathbb{N}$.



Then exists $ninmathbb{N}$ such that $a_k=0$, $b_k=p-1$ for all $kge n+1$.






Let $xin (0,1)$, then for Proposition 1, in particular, $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty} frac{c_k}{2^k}$$ with ${c_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$. The map $$varphi_2colon (0,1)to {0,1}^{mathbb{N}},quadvarphi(x):={c_k}$$ defined by choosing binary development with a finite number $c_kne 0$ of in ambiguous cases (see Proposition 2.), is injective. In fact let $x,yin (0,1)$, then exists ${c_k},{d_k}in{0,1}^{mathbb{N}}$ such that $$x=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{c_k}{2^k}quadtext{and}quad y=sum_{k=1}^{infty}frac{d_k}{2^k}.$$ We suppose that $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$, then ${c_k}={d_k}$ this means that $c_k=d_k$ for all $kinmathbb{N}$. Therefore $$x=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{2^k}=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{d_k}{2^k}=y,$$ then $varphi_2$ is injective.




Question 1. It's correct?




Now, we cosider tha map $$varphi_3colon {0,1}^{mathbb{N}}to [0,1],quadvarphi_3({c_k}):=sum_{k=1}^inftyfrac{c_k}{3^k}$$




Question 2 How can I show that $varphi_3$ to be injective using the above proposition?




$$$$




Question 3. Is $varphi_3$ onto?




Thanks!







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  • $begingroup$
    You can't choose a binary development with finitely many $c_knot = 0$. (It's like saying that all the numbers are rational). What would you take instead of the sequence $(1,0,1,0,1,0,...)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:41










  • $begingroup$
    In the sense of the above proposition
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 20:47










  • $begingroup$
    Right I see you only choose this binary development if there are two different ways to express $x$. This also explains how $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$ implies that $x=y$ (perhaps you want to say a word about this). Other than that it seems like the answer to Question $1$ is yes. Also the answer to Question 2 is that $varphi_3$ is not injective because if you take $a_k,b_k$ as in the proposition you will have that $varphi_3({a_k}) = varphi_3 ({b_k})$.
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:50










  • $begingroup$
    I do not understand. Then, in order for $varphi_2$ to be well definited, if $x$ admits two binary equal developments, by convention, I choose that which is definitively null, by virtue of the previous lemma. For my book $varphi_3$ is injjective, but I did not understand why.
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 21:20












  • $begingroup$
    Oh right $varphi_3$ is injective (didn't realized you divide by $3^k$ instead of $2^k$) this follows from the proposition as if two expressions are equal one of the expressions must correspond to a sequence which takes the value $p-1$ in this case $p-1=2$ but we don't get such values. $varphi_3$ is not onto, it doesn't get $1$ (you can calculate the maximum by choosing all the $c_k$ to be one).
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 21:54




















  • $begingroup$
    You can't choose a binary development with finitely many $c_knot = 0$. (It's like saying that all the numbers are rational). What would you take instead of the sequence $(1,0,1,0,1,0,...)$?
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:41










  • $begingroup$
    In the sense of the above proposition
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 20:47










  • $begingroup$
    Right I see you only choose this binary development if there are two different ways to express $x$. This also explains how $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$ implies that $x=y$ (perhaps you want to say a word about this). Other than that it seems like the answer to Question $1$ is yes. Also the answer to Question 2 is that $varphi_3$ is not injective because if you take $a_k,b_k$ as in the proposition you will have that $varphi_3({a_k}) = varphi_3 ({b_k})$.
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 20:50










  • $begingroup$
    I do not understand. Then, in order for $varphi_2$ to be well definited, if $x$ admits two binary equal developments, by convention, I choose that which is definitively null, by virtue of the previous lemma. For my book $varphi_3$ is injjective, but I did not understand why.
    $endgroup$
    – Jack J.
    Jan 17 at 21:20












  • $begingroup$
    Oh right $varphi_3$ is injective (didn't realized you divide by $3^k$ instead of $2^k$) this follows from the proposition as if two expressions are equal one of the expressions must correspond to a sequence which takes the value $p-1$ in this case $p-1=2$ but we don't get such values. $varphi_3$ is not onto, it doesn't get $1$ (you can calculate the maximum by choosing all the $c_k$ to be one).
    $endgroup$
    – Yanko
    Jan 17 at 21:54


















$begingroup$
You can't choose a binary development with finitely many $c_knot = 0$. (It's like saying that all the numbers are rational). What would you take instead of the sequence $(1,0,1,0,1,0,...)$?
$endgroup$
– Yanko
Jan 17 at 20:41




$begingroup$
You can't choose a binary development with finitely many $c_knot = 0$. (It's like saying that all the numbers are rational). What would you take instead of the sequence $(1,0,1,0,1,0,...)$?
$endgroup$
– Yanko
Jan 17 at 20:41












$begingroup$
In the sense of the above proposition
$endgroup$
– Jack J.
Jan 17 at 20:47




$begingroup$
In the sense of the above proposition
$endgroup$
– Jack J.
Jan 17 at 20:47












$begingroup$
Right I see you only choose this binary development if there are two different ways to express $x$. This also explains how $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$ implies that $x=y$ (perhaps you want to say a word about this). Other than that it seems like the answer to Question $1$ is yes. Also the answer to Question 2 is that $varphi_3$ is not injective because if you take $a_k,b_k$ as in the proposition you will have that $varphi_3({a_k}) = varphi_3 ({b_k})$.
$endgroup$
– Yanko
Jan 17 at 20:50




$begingroup$
Right I see you only choose this binary development if there are two different ways to express $x$. This also explains how $varphi_2(x)=varphi_2(y)$ implies that $x=y$ (perhaps you want to say a word about this). Other than that it seems like the answer to Question $1$ is yes. Also the answer to Question 2 is that $varphi_3$ is not injective because if you take $a_k,b_k$ as in the proposition you will have that $varphi_3({a_k}) = varphi_3 ({b_k})$.
$endgroup$
– Yanko
Jan 17 at 20:50












$begingroup$
I do not understand. Then, in order for $varphi_2$ to be well definited, if $x$ admits two binary equal developments, by convention, I choose that which is definitively null, by virtue of the previous lemma. For my book $varphi_3$ is injjective, but I did not understand why.
$endgroup$
– Jack J.
Jan 17 at 21:20






$begingroup$
I do not understand. Then, in order for $varphi_2$ to be well definited, if $x$ admits two binary equal developments, by convention, I choose that which is definitively null, by virtue of the previous lemma. For my book $varphi_3$ is injjective, but I did not understand why.
$endgroup$
– Jack J.
Jan 17 at 21:20














$begingroup$
Oh right $varphi_3$ is injective (didn't realized you divide by $3^k$ instead of $2^k$) this follows from the proposition as if two expressions are equal one of the expressions must correspond to a sequence which takes the value $p-1$ in this case $p-1=2$ but we don't get such values. $varphi_3$ is not onto, it doesn't get $1$ (you can calculate the maximum by choosing all the $c_k$ to be one).
$endgroup$
– Yanko
Jan 17 at 21:54






$begingroup$
Oh right $varphi_3$ is injective (didn't realized you divide by $3^k$ instead of $2^k$) this follows from the proposition as if two expressions are equal one of the expressions must correspond to a sequence which takes the value $p-1$ in this case $p-1=2$ but we don't get such values. $varphi_3$ is not onto, it doesn't get $1$ (you can calculate the maximum by choosing all the $c_k$ to be one).
$endgroup$
– Yanko
Jan 17 at 21:54












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