Postgres “time zone at” isn't respecting mountain standard time when converting












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I have a column starts_at with a type of TIMESTAMP WITHOUT TIME ZONE because it's representing the time of an appointment and should not change during a DST shift.



However, our library that handles recurring appointments needs this time in UTC. I am attempting to convert starts_at to UTC, but am seeing that I'm getting times representing MDT (daylight savings time) rather than MST (standard time).



For example, take the following:



SELECT starts_at, timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) AS new_starts_at



I would expect to get the following result:



--------------------------------------------------
| starts_at | new_starts_at
--------------------------------------------------
| 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00


Instead, I'm getting the following:



--------------------------------------------------
| starts_at | new_starts_at
--------------------------------------------------
| 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 19:05:00+00


new_starts_at should be returning in MST, which would be 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00. My impression was that using the Olsen timezone (America/Denver) would inform Postgres of whether or not there was a DST shift in place. If I replace America/Denver with MST, I see the correct result.



I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding of Postgres timezone types on my part. That said, thanks in advance for the education!










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    I have a column starts_at with a type of TIMESTAMP WITHOUT TIME ZONE because it's representing the time of an appointment and should not change during a DST shift.



    However, our library that handles recurring appointments needs this time in UTC. I am attempting to convert starts_at to UTC, but am seeing that I'm getting times representing MDT (daylight savings time) rather than MST (standard time).



    For example, take the following:



    SELECT starts_at, timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) AS new_starts_at



    I would expect to get the following result:



    --------------------------------------------------
    | starts_at | new_starts_at
    --------------------------------------------------
    | 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00


    Instead, I'm getting the following:



    --------------------------------------------------
    | starts_at | new_starts_at
    --------------------------------------------------
    | 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 19:05:00+00


    new_starts_at should be returning in MST, which would be 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00. My impression was that using the Olsen timezone (America/Denver) would inform Postgres of whether or not there was a DST shift in place. If I replace America/Denver with MST, I see the correct result.



    I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding of Postgres timezone types on my part. That said, thanks in advance for the education!










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      I have a column starts_at with a type of TIMESTAMP WITHOUT TIME ZONE because it's representing the time of an appointment and should not change during a DST shift.



      However, our library that handles recurring appointments needs this time in UTC. I am attempting to convert starts_at to UTC, but am seeing that I'm getting times representing MDT (daylight savings time) rather than MST (standard time).



      For example, take the following:



      SELECT starts_at, timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) AS new_starts_at



      I would expect to get the following result:



      --------------------------------------------------
      | starts_at | new_starts_at
      --------------------------------------------------
      | 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00


      Instead, I'm getting the following:



      --------------------------------------------------
      | starts_at | new_starts_at
      --------------------------------------------------
      | 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 19:05:00+00


      new_starts_at should be returning in MST, which would be 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00. My impression was that using the Olsen timezone (America/Denver) would inform Postgres of whether or not there was a DST shift in place. If I replace America/Denver with MST, I see the correct result.



      I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding of Postgres timezone types on my part. That said, thanks in advance for the education!










      share|improve this question
















      I have a column starts_at with a type of TIMESTAMP WITHOUT TIME ZONE because it's representing the time of an appointment and should not change during a DST shift.



      However, our library that handles recurring appointments needs this time in UTC. I am attempting to convert starts_at to UTC, but am seeing that I'm getting times representing MDT (daylight savings time) rather than MST (standard time).



      For example, take the following:



      SELECT starts_at, timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) AS new_starts_at



      I would expect to get the following result:



      --------------------------------------------------
      | starts_at | new_starts_at
      --------------------------------------------------
      | 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00


      Instead, I'm getting the following:



      --------------------------------------------------
      | starts_at | new_starts_at
      --------------------------------------------------
      | 2018-09-04 13:05:00 | 2018-09-04 19:05:00+00


      new_starts_at should be returning in MST, which would be 2018-09-04 20:05:00+00. My impression was that using the Olsen timezone (America/Denver) would inform Postgres of whether or not there was a DST shift in place. If I replace America/Denver with MST, I see the correct result.



      I'm sure this is just a misunderstanding of Postgres timezone types on my part. That said, thanks in advance for the education!







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          The expression timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) interprets starts_at as being in Denver local time, the result is a timestamp with time zone.



          Now when you output that value, it is transformed to your session time zone, which is UTC.



          13:05 in Denver is 19:05 in UTC, which happens to be your session time zone.



          During daylight savings time, Denver is offset 6 hours from UTC.






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          • 13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:32











          • Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:33











          • Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

            – Laurenz Albe
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:34













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          The expression timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) interprets starts_at as being in Denver local time, the result is a timestamp with time zone.



          Now when you output that value, it is transformed to your session time zone, which is UTC.



          13:05 in Denver is 19:05 in UTC, which happens to be your session time zone.



          During daylight savings time, Denver is offset 6 hours from UTC.






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          • 13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:32











          • Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:33











          • Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

            – Laurenz Albe
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:34


















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          The expression timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) interprets starts_at as being in Denver local time, the result is a timestamp with time zone.



          Now when you output that value, it is transformed to your session time zone, which is UTC.



          13:05 in Denver is 19:05 in UTC, which happens to be your session time zone.



          During daylight savings time, Denver is offset 6 hours from UTC.






          share|improve this answer


























          • 13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:32











          • Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:33











          • Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

            – Laurenz Albe
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:34
















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          The expression timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) interprets starts_at as being in Denver local time, the result is a timestamp with time zone.



          Now when you output that value, it is transformed to your session time zone, which is UTC.



          13:05 in Denver is 19:05 in UTC, which happens to be your session time zone.



          During daylight savings time, Denver is offset 6 hours from UTC.






          share|improve this answer















          The expression timezone('America/Denver', starts_at) interprets starts_at as being in Denver local time, the result is a timestamp with time zone.



          Now when you output that value, it is transformed to your session time zone, which is UTC.



          13:05 in Denver is 19:05 in UTC, which happens to be your session time zone.



          During daylight savings time, Denver is offset 6 hours from UTC.







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          • 13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:32











          • Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:33











          • Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

            – Laurenz Albe
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:34





















          • 13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:32











          • Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

            – jdixon04
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:33











          • Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

            – Laurenz Albe
            Nov 21 '18 at 22:34



















          13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

          – jdixon04
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:32





          13:05 Denver is 20:05 in UTC. During daylight savings time, it's 19:05

          – jdixon04
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:32













          Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

          – jdixon04
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:33





          Ahh, nevermind. I see the issue. Thank you!

          – jdixon04
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:33













          Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

          – Laurenz Albe
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:34







          Right, and in September, daylight savings time was still in effect.

          – Laurenz Albe
          Nov 21 '18 at 22:34






















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