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Why did Sauron's tower fall?
When Sauron is finally defeated near the end of Return of the King, why does his tower collapse? Is the collapse of the tower what triggers the ground collapse that (conveniently) consumes only his army, or is it the collapsing ground that levels the tower?
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When Sauron is finally defeated near the end of Return of the King, why does his tower collapse? Is the collapse of the tower what triggers the ground collapse that (conveniently) consumes only his army, or is it the collapsing ground that levels the tower?
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When Sauron is finally defeated near the end of Return of the King, why does his tower collapse? Is the collapse of the tower what triggers the ground collapse that (conveniently) consumes only his army, or is it the collapsing ground that levels the tower?
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When Sauron is finally defeated near the end of Return of the King, why does his tower collapse? Is the collapse of the tower what triggers the ground collapse that (conveniently) consumes only his army, or is it the collapsing ground that levels the tower?
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As with any accident investigation you need to identify the 'actual and proximate' causes of the incident.
The primary cause of the destruction of the Barad-Dur complex (and the ground surrounding Mordor) seems to have been the destruction of the Ring of Power and the loss of the magic that Sauron used to support his tower, despite it being probably being too heavy for the ground surrounding it. The proximate cause of the destruction of the tower was an earthquake that occurred after the destruction of the One Ring and the removal of the foundations on which it sat.
There was a roar and a great confusion of noise. Fires leaped up and
licked the roof. The throbbing grew to a great tumult, and the
Mountain shook. Sam ran to Frodo and picked him up and carried him.
out to the door. And there upon the dark threshold of the Sammath
Naur, high above the plains of Mordor, such wonder and terror came on
him that he stood still forgetting all else, and gazed as one turned
to stone. A brief vision he had of swirling cloud, and in the midst of
it towers and battlements, tall as hills, founded upon a mighty
mountain-throne above immeasurable pits; great courts and dungeons,
eyeless prisons sheer as cliffs, and gaping gates of steel and
adamant: and then all passed. Towers fell and mountains slid; walls
crumbled and melted, crashing down; vast spires of smoke and spouting
steams went billowing up, up, until they toppled like an overwhelming
wave, and its wild crest curled and came foaming down upon the land.
What isn't clear is whether the loss of Sauron's magical assistance without the earthquake would have been sufficient to collapse the towers under its own weight, but Elrond seems convinced that the foundations exist solely due to the power of Sauron's magic.
The Dark Tower was broken, but its foundations were not removed; for they were made with the power of the Ring, and while it remains they will endure.'
-The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond
In the film's screenplay the collapse of the Dark Tower, its environs and the Black Gate is described as an implosion followed by the collapse of the "Foundations of Mordor". The implication is that the tower itself, the gate and the majority of the roads and paths are built using magic to support their structures. The removal of the magic causes them to collapse under their own weight.
ANGLE ON: the EYE OF SAURON . . .
WIDE ON: Across the GREAT PLAINS - MOUNT DOOM is clearly IMPLODING ...
INTERCUT WITH: EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
On the BATTLEFIELD, all eyes turn to MOUNT DOOM ...
ANGLE ON: The CAVE TROLL, with ARAGORN at his mercy, is
distracted by the SOUNDS emanating from MORDOR . . . he turns
in TERROR and RUNS OFF . . .
EXT. BARAD-DUR - DAY
ANGLE ON: The FELLOWSHIP turn to watch as the MASSIVE DARK TOWER of SAURON shakes itself to pieces! TOWERS FALL and WALLS CRUMBLE; vast spires of SMOKE and
spouting STEAM billow up! The FOUNDATIONS explode apart ...
EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
The BLACK GATES collapse in a huge cloud of ASH!
THE ORCS are FLEEING in all DIRECTIONS . . . As the very foundations of MORDOR collapse!
answered Jan 12 at 13:35
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What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
2
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
7
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
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@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
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As with any accident investigation you need to identify the 'actual and proximate' causes of the incident.
The primary cause of the destruction of the Barad-Dur complex (and the ground surrounding Mordor) seems to have been the destruction of the Ring of Power and the loss of the magic that Sauron used to support his tower, despite it being probably being too heavy for the ground surrounding it. The proximate cause of the destruction of the tower was an earthquake that occurred after the destruction of the One Ring and the removal of the foundations on which it sat.
There was a roar and a great confusion of noise. Fires leaped up and
licked the roof. The throbbing grew to a great tumult, and the
Mountain shook. Sam ran to Frodo and picked him up and carried him.
out to the door. And there upon the dark threshold of the Sammath
Naur, high above the plains of Mordor, such wonder and terror came on
him that he stood still forgetting all else, and gazed as one turned
to stone. A brief vision he had of swirling cloud, and in the midst of
it towers and battlements, tall as hills, founded upon a mighty
mountain-throne above immeasurable pits; great courts and dungeons,
eyeless prisons sheer as cliffs, and gaping gates of steel and
adamant: and then all passed. Towers fell and mountains slid; walls
crumbled and melted, crashing down; vast spires of smoke and spouting
steams went billowing up, up, until they toppled like an overwhelming
wave, and its wild crest curled and came foaming down upon the land.
What isn't clear is whether the loss of Sauron's magical assistance without the earthquake would have been sufficient to collapse the towers under its own weight, but Elrond seems convinced that the foundations exist solely due to the power of Sauron's magic.
The Dark Tower was broken, but its foundations were not removed; for they were made with the power of the Ring, and while it remains they will endure.'
-The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond
In the film's screenplay the collapse of the Dark Tower, its environs and the Black Gate is described as an implosion followed by the collapse of the "Foundations of Mordor". The implication is that the tower itself, the gate and the majority of the roads and paths are built using magic to support their structures. The removal of the magic causes them to collapse under their own weight.
ANGLE ON: the EYE OF SAURON . . .
WIDE ON: Across the GREAT PLAINS - MOUNT DOOM is clearly IMPLODING ...
INTERCUT WITH: EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
On the BATTLEFIELD, all eyes turn to MOUNT DOOM ...
ANGLE ON: The CAVE TROLL, with ARAGORN at his mercy, is
distracted by the SOUNDS emanating from MORDOR . . . he turns
in TERROR and RUNS OFF . . .
EXT. BARAD-DUR - DAY
ANGLE ON: The FELLOWSHIP turn to watch as the MASSIVE DARK TOWER of SAURON shakes itself to pieces! TOWERS FALL and WALLS CRUMBLE; vast spires of SMOKE and
spouting STEAM billow up! The FOUNDATIONS explode apart ...
EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
The BLACK GATES collapse in a huge cloud of ASH!
THE ORCS are FLEEING in all DIRECTIONS . . . As the very foundations of MORDOR collapse!
answered Jan 12 at 13:35
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What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
2
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
7
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
3
@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
|
show 3 more comments
As with any accident investigation you need to identify the 'actual and proximate' causes of the incident.
The primary cause of the destruction of the Barad-Dur complex (and the ground surrounding Mordor) seems to have been the destruction of the Ring of Power and the loss of the magic that Sauron used to support his tower, despite it being probably being too heavy for the ground surrounding it. The proximate cause of the destruction of the tower was an earthquake that occurred after the destruction of the One Ring and the removal of the foundations on which it sat.
There was a roar and a great confusion of noise. Fires leaped up and
licked the roof. The throbbing grew to a great tumult, and the
Mountain shook. Sam ran to Frodo and picked him up and carried him.
out to the door. And there upon the dark threshold of the Sammath
Naur, high above the plains of Mordor, such wonder and terror came on
him that he stood still forgetting all else, and gazed as one turned
to stone. A brief vision he had of swirling cloud, and in the midst of
it towers and battlements, tall as hills, founded upon a mighty
mountain-throne above immeasurable pits; great courts and dungeons,
eyeless prisons sheer as cliffs, and gaping gates of steel and
adamant: and then all passed. Towers fell and mountains slid; walls
crumbled and melted, crashing down; vast spires of smoke and spouting
steams went billowing up, up, until they toppled like an overwhelming
wave, and its wild crest curled and came foaming down upon the land.
What isn't clear is whether the loss of Sauron's magical assistance without the earthquake would have been sufficient to collapse the towers under its own weight, but Elrond seems convinced that the foundations exist solely due to the power of Sauron's magic.
The Dark Tower was broken, but its foundations were not removed; for they were made with the power of the Ring, and while it remains they will endure.'
-The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond
In the film's screenplay the collapse of the Dark Tower, its environs and the Black Gate is described as an implosion followed by the collapse of the "Foundations of Mordor". The implication is that the tower itself, the gate and the majority of the roads and paths are built using magic to support their structures. The removal of the magic causes them to collapse under their own weight.
ANGLE ON: the EYE OF SAURON . . .
WIDE ON: Across the GREAT PLAINS - MOUNT DOOM is clearly IMPLODING ...
INTERCUT WITH: EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
On the BATTLEFIELD, all eyes turn to MOUNT DOOM ...
ANGLE ON: The CAVE TROLL, with ARAGORN at his mercy, is
distracted by the SOUNDS emanating from MORDOR . . . he turns
in TERROR and RUNS OFF . . .
EXT. BARAD-DUR - DAY
ANGLE ON: The FELLOWSHIP turn to watch as the MASSIVE DARK TOWER of SAURON shakes itself to pieces! TOWERS FALL and WALLS CRUMBLE; vast spires of SMOKE and
spouting STEAM billow up! The FOUNDATIONS explode apart ...
EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
The BLACK GATES collapse in a huge cloud of ASH!
THE ORCS are FLEEING in all DIRECTIONS . . . As the very foundations of MORDOR collapse!
answered Jan 12 at 13:35
ValorumValorum
403k10529313158
4
What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
2
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
7
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
3
@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
|
show 3 more comments
As with any accident investigation you need to identify the 'actual and proximate' causes of the incident.
The primary cause of the destruction of the Barad-Dur complex (and the ground surrounding Mordor) seems to have been the destruction of the Ring of Power and the loss of the magic that Sauron used to support his tower, despite it being probably being too heavy for the ground surrounding it. The proximate cause of the destruction of the tower was an earthquake that occurred after the destruction of the One Ring and the removal of the foundations on which it sat.
There was a roar and a great confusion of noise. Fires leaped up and
licked the roof. The throbbing grew to a great tumult, and the
Mountain shook. Sam ran to Frodo and picked him up and carried him.
out to the door. And there upon the dark threshold of the Sammath
Naur, high above the plains of Mordor, such wonder and terror came on
him that he stood still forgetting all else, and gazed as one turned
to stone. A brief vision he had of swirling cloud, and in the midst of
it towers and battlements, tall as hills, founded upon a mighty
mountain-throne above immeasurable pits; great courts and dungeons,
eyeless prisons sheer as cliffs, and gaping gates of steel and
adamant: and then all passed. Towers fell and mountains slid; walls
crumbled and melted, crashing down; vast spires of smoke and spouting
steams went billowing up, up, until they toppled like an overwhelming
wave, and its wild crest curled and came foaming down upon the land.
What isn't clear is whether the loss of Sauron's magical assistance without the earthquake would have been sufficient to collapse the towers under its own weight, but Elrond seems convinced that the foundations exist solely due to the power of Sauron's magic.
The Dark Tower was broken, but its foundations were not removed; for they were made with the power of the Ring, and while it remains they will endure.'
-The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond
In the film's screenplay the collapse of the Dark Tower, its environs and the Black Gate is described as an implosion followed by the collapse of the "Foundations of Mordor". The implication is that the tower itself, the gate and the majority of the roads and paths are built using magic to support their structures. The removal of the magic causes them to collapse under their own weight.
ANGLE ON: the EYE OF SAURON . . .
WIDE ON: Across the GREAT PLAINS - MOUNT DOOM is clearly IMPLODING ...
INTERCUT WITH: EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
On the BATTLEFIELD, all eyes turn to MOUNT DOOM ...
ANGLE ON: The CAVE TROLL, with ARAGORN at his mercy, is
distracted by the SOUNDS emanating from MORDOR . . . he turns
in TERROR and RUNS OFF . . .
EXT. BARAD-DUR - DAY
ANGLE ON: The FELLOWSHIP turn to watch as the MASSIVE DARK TOWER of SAURON shakes itself to pieces! TOWERS FALL and WALLS CRUMBLE; vast spires of SMOKE and
spouting STEAM billow up! The FOUNDATIONS explode apart ...
EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
The BLACK GATES collapse in a huge cloud of ASH!
THE ORCS are FLEEING in all DIRECTIONS . . . As the very foundations of MORDOR collapse!
answered Jan 12 at 13:35
ValorumValorum
403k10529313158
As with any accident investigation you need to identify the 'actual and proximate' causes of the incident.
The primary cause of the destruction of the Barad-Dur complex (and the ground surrounding Mordor) seems to have been the destruction of the Ring of Power and the loss of the magic that Sauron used to support his tower, despite it being probably being too heavy for the ground surrounding it. The proximate cause of the destruction of the tower was an earthquake that occurred after the destruction of the One Ring and the removal of the foundations on which it sat.
There was a roar and a great confusion of noise. Fires leaped up and
licked the roof. The throbbing grew to a great tumult, and the
Mountain shook. Sam ran to Frodo and picked him up and carried him.
out to the door. And there upon the dark threshold of the Sammath
Naur, high above the plains of Mordor, such wonder and terror came on
him that he stood still forgetting all else, and gazed as one turned
to stone. A brief vision he had of swirling cloud, and in the midst of
it towers and battlements, tall as hills, founded upon a mighty
mountain-throne above immeasurable pits; great courts and dungeons,
eyeless prisons sheer as cliffs, and gaping gates of steel and
adamant: and then all passed. Towers fell and mountains slid; walls
crumbled and melted, crashing down; vast spires of smoke and spouting
steams went billowing up, up, until they toppled like an overwhelming
wave, and its wild crest curled and came foaming down upon the land.
What isn't clear is whether the loss of Sauron's magical assistance without the earthquake would have been sufficient to collapse the towers under its own weight, but Elrond seems convinced that the foundations exist solely due to the power of Sauron's magic.
The Dark Tower was broken, but its foundations were not removed; for they were made with the power of the Ring, and while it remains they will endure.'
-The Fellowship of the Ring, The Council of Elrond
In the film's screenplay the collapse of the Dark Tower, its environs and the Black Gate is described as an implosion followed by the collapse of the "Foundations of Mordor". The implication is that the tower itself, the gate and the majority of the roads and paths are built using magic to support their structures. The removal of the magic causes them to collapse under their own weight.
ANGLE ON: the EYE OF SAURON . . .
WIDE ON: Across the GREAT PLAINS - MOUNT DOOM is clearly IMPLODING ...
INTERCUT WITH: EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
On the BATTLEFIELD, all eyes turn to MOUNT DOOM ...
ANGLE ON: The CAVE TROLL, with ARAGORN at his mercy, is
distracted by the SOUNDS emanating from MORDOR . . . he turns
in TERROR and RUNS OFF . . .
EXT. BARAD-DUR - DAY
ANGLE ON: The FELLOWSHIP turn to watch as the MASSIVE DARK TOWER of SAURON shakes itself to pieces! TOWERS FALL and WALLS CRUMBLE; vast spires of SMOKE and
spouting STEAM billow up! The FOUNDATIONS explode apart ...
EXT. BLACK GATES OF MORDOR - DAY
The BLACK GATES collapse in a huge cloud of ASH!
THE ORCS are FLEEING in all DIRECTIONS . . . As the very foundations of MORDOR collapse!
answered Jan 12 at 13:35
ValorumValorum
403k10529313158
edited Jan 12 at 14:51
answered Jan 12 at 13:35
ValorumValorum
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answered Jan 12 at 13:35
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answered Jan 12 at 13:35
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What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
2
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
7
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
3
@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
|
show 3 more comments
4
What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
2
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
7
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
3
@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
4
4
What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
What a waste of magic must have been keeping the tower in place just because Sauron wanted to live there. He must have been the first modern architect on the Middle Earth. Had he spent all that magic looking for the Ring things would have gone way better for him :-P.
– SJuan76
Jan 12 at 16:43
2
2
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
@SJuan76 - It's probably much the same principle as a car tyre or a bouncy castle. It's moderately difficult to inflate, but once it's inflated, the amount of additional air required to maintain the inflation is very low. Losing the One Ring is akin to the connected compressor suddenly going missing, letting the air bleed out rapidly.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 16:51
14
14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
Barad-dûr: like a bouncy castle in many ways...
– James K
Jan 12 at 17:14
7
7
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
@JamesK - Sauron wouldn't be allowed on a bouncy castle with all that pointy armour on
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 17:32
3
3
@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
@jamesqf - OP was interested in the film.
– Valorum
Jan 12 at 19:08
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