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Why would a drider lay only a small clutch of eggs?
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In a very soft-science world, in a lush forest far away from civilization and their laws, especially the one about squares and cubes, lives a young, female drider. One day, while hunting for dire-boar at the far end of her territory, she meets a handsome young male of her species. He proves to be witty and charming, as well as a hunter almost as good as she is. Together they spend the evening having a feast, which turns into a night of romance. Not too much later she finds that her appetite is increasing and her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she's pregnant!
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This character's world is decidedly soft on science. There is a lot of magic that works just because it would be fun if it did. However, for our spider heroine I'm trying to stick very close to the feel of her being a spider, only scaled up. For example, if she goes too deeply underwater her spider body's book lungs will not work. Since her human lungs do not provide enough oxygen on their own she'll grow short of breath and eventually drown if she doesn't get out. Her legs also work using the hydrostatic pressure of her 'blood', meaning she has to rest every so often to rebuild pressure. She also needs to capture big prey to satisfy the enormous energy requirements of her metabolism.
In case it is relevant, her spider body is based on the Antilles pinktoe tarantula. She is also a young and healthy individual, living a lone hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
A drider is essentially a spider with a human torso in place of the head. They are sometimes known as 'spider-taurs'.
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In our reality her spider species apparently produces clutches of at least dozens up to a few hundred eggs. While it would definitely be a lot of fun to write about a spider family taking over and webbing up the entire forest, that would derail the current direction of the story. I would like to keep the feel of 'spiders lay a lot of eggs', without having to introduce dozens of new characters.
This is why I'm looking for a justification for having her produce about 7 to 12 eggs.
I would prefer to avoid having the eggs and/or hatchlings die, to keep the tone of the story lighthearted. I would also prefer a biology-based answer over a magic-based one, since for the latter I would then have to justify why the magic works that way.
In case this bears repeating, I am aware that a drider (or any human sized spider) simply cannot exist based on the laws of nature of our world and that is not what this question is about.
Why am I looking for a justification when a simple 'it just works that way' would probably do? Because misaimed realism in fantasy stories is fun, of course!
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In a very soft-science world, in a lush forest far away from civilization and their laws, especially the one about squares and cubes, lives a young, female drider. One day, while hunting for dire-boar at the far end of her territory, she meets a handsome young male of her species. He proves to be witty and charming, as well as a hunter almost as good as she is. Together they spend the evening having a feast, which turns into a night of romance. Not too much later she finds that her appetite is increasing and her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she's pregnant!
Background
This character's world is decidedly soft on science. There is a lot of magic that works just because it would be fun if it did. However, for our spider heroine I'm trying to stick very close to the feel of her being a spider, only scaled up. For example, if she goes too deeply underwater her spider body's book lungs will not work. Since her human lungs do not provide enough oxygen on their own she'll grow short of breath and eventually drown if she doesn't get out. Her legs also work using the hydrostatic pressure of her 'blood', meaning she has to rest every so often to rebuild pressure. She also needs to capture big prey to satisfy the enormous energy requirements of her metabolism.
In case it is relevant, her spider body is based on the Antilles pinktoe tarantula. She is also a young and healthy individual, living a lone hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
A drider is essentially a spider with a human torso in place of the head. They are sometimes known as 'spider-taurs'.
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Source: DeviantArt, image by FluffyXai
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In our reality her spider species apparently produces clutches of at least dozens up to a few hundred eggs. While it would definitely be a lot of fun to write about a spider family taking over and webbing up the entire forest, that would derail the current direction of the story. I would like to keep the feel of 'spiders lay a lot of eggs', without having to introduce dozens of new characters.
This is why I'm looking for a justification for having her produce about 7 to 12 eggs.
I would prefer to avoid having the eggs and/or hatchlings die, to keep the tone of the story lighthearted. I would also prefer a biology-based answer over a magic-based one, since for the latter I would then have to justify why the magic works that way.
In case this bears repeating, I am aware that a drider (or any human sized spider) simply cannot exist based on the laws of nature of our world and that is not what this question is about.
Why am I looking for a justification when a simple 'it just works that way' would probably do? Because misaimed realism in fantasy stories is fun, of course!
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It would be nice to explain what a drider is (or link to some pictures) so people not familiar with this race know what you're talking about.
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– Elmy
Jan 10 at 20:28
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@Elmy Good point, added.
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– Loid Thanead
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Isnt it creepy as all hell that another spider just has sex with her after she intoxicates herself? Perhaps change that?
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– Demigan
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@Demigan, I see what you mean. I would change it, but at least one answer refers to it (even if only in a sidenote). Changing it would leave their post looking odd. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. For what it's worth, the MC is not too upset - she's looking forward to having some little spiders scurrying about.
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– Loid Thanead
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...her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she has eaten her lover.
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In a very soft-science world, in a lush forest far away from civilization and their laws, especially the one about squares and cubes, lives a young, female drider. One day, while hunting for dire-boar at the far end of her territory, she meets a handsome young male of her species. He proves to be witty and charming, as well as a hunter almost as good as she is. Together they spend the evening having a feast, which turns into a night of romance. Not too much later she finds that her appetite is increasing and her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she's pregnant!
Background
This character's world is decidedly soft on science. There is a lot of magic that works just because it would be fun if it did. However, for our spider heroine I'm trying to stick very close to the feel of her being a spider, only scaled up. For example, if she goes too deeply underwater her spider body's book lungs will not work. Since her human lungs do not provide enough oxygen on their own she'll grow short of breath and eventually drown if she doesn't get out. Her legs also work using the hydrostatic pressure of her 'blood', meaning she has to rest every so often to rebuild pressure. She also needs to capture big prey to satisfy the enormous energy requirements of her metabolism.
In case it is relevant, her spider body is based on the Antilles pinktoe tarantula. She is also a young and healthy individual, living a lone hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
A drider is essentially a spider with a human torso in place of the head. They are sometimes known as 'spider-taurs'.
Example image:
Source: DeviantArt, image by FluffyXai
Question
In our reality her spider species apparently produces clutches of at least dozens up to a few hundred eggs. While it would definitely be a lot of fun to write about a spider family taking over and webbing up the entire forest, that would derail the current direction of the story. I would like to keep the feel of 'spiders lay a lot of eggs', without having to introduce dozens of new characters.
This is why I'm looking for a justification for having her produce about 7 to 12 eggs.
I would prefer to avoid having the eggs and/or hatchlings die, to keep the tone of the story lighthearted. I would also prefer a biology-based answer over a magic-based one, since for the latter I would then have to justify why the magic works that way.
In case this bears repeating, I am aware that a drider (or any human sized spider) simply cannot exist based on the laws of nature of our world and that is not what this question is about.
Why am I looking for a justification when a simple 'it just works that way' would probably do? Because misaimed realism in fantasy stories is fun, of course!
fantasy-races reproduction spiders
edited Jan 11 at 5:58
Cyn
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In a very soft-science world, in a lush forest far away from civilization and their laws, especially the one about squares and cubes, lives a young, female drider. One day, while hunting for dire-boar at the far end of her territory, she meets a handsome young male of her species. He proves to be witty and charming, as well as a hunter almost as good as she is. Together they spend the evening having a feast, which turns into a night of romance. Not too much later she finds that her appetite is increasing and her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she's pregnant!
Background
This character's world is decidedly soft on science. There is a lot of magic that works just because it would be fun if it did. However, for our spider heroine I'm trying to stick very close to the feel of her being a spider, only scaled up. For example, if she goes too deeply underwater her spider body's book lungs will not work. Since her human lungs do not provide enough oxygen on their own she'll grow short of breath and eventually drown if she doesn't get out. Her legs also work using the hydrostatic pressure of her 'blood', meaning she has to rest every so often to rebuild pressure. She also needs to capture big prey to satisfy the enormous energy requirements of her metabolism.
In case it is relevant, her spider body is based on the Antilles pinktoe tarantula. She is also a young and healthy individual, living a lone hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
A drider is essentially a spider with a human torso in place of the head. They are sometimes known as 'spider-taurs'.
Example image:
Source: DeviantArt, image by FluffyXai
Question
In our reality her spider species apparently produces clutches of at least dozens up to a few hundred eggs. While it would definitely be a lot of fun to write about a spider family taking over and webbing up the entire forest, that would derail the current direction of the story. I would like to keep the feel of 'spiders lay a lot of eggs', without having to introduce dozens of new characters.
This is why I'm looking for a justification for having her produce about 7 to 12 eggs.
I would prefer to avoid having the eggs and/or hatchlings die, to keep the tone of the story lighthearted. I would also prefer a biology-based answer over a magic-based one, since for the latter I would then have to justify why the magic works that way.
In case this bears repeating, I am aware that a drider (or any human sized spider) simply cannot exist based on the laws of nature of our world and that is not what this question is about.
Why am I looking for a justification when a simple 'it just works that way' would probably do? Because misaimed realism in fantasy stories is fun, of course!
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It would be nice to explain what a drider is (or link to some pictures) so people not familiar with this race know what you're talking about.
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– Elmy
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@Elmy Good point, added.
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– Loid Thanead
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Isnt it creepy as all hell that another spider just has sex with her after she intoxicates herself? Perhaps change that?
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– Demigan
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@Demigan, I see what you mean. I would change it, but at least one answer refers to it (even if only in a sidenote). Changing it would leave their post looking odd. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. For what it's worth, the MC is not too upset - she's looking forward to having some little spiders scurrying about.
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...her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she has eaten her lover.
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It would be nice to explain what a drider is (or link to some pictures) so people not familiar with this race know what you're talking about.
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@Elmy Good point, added.
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Isnt it creepy as all hell that another spider just has sex with her after she intoxicates herself? Perhaps change that?
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– Demigan
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@Demigan, I see what you mean. I would change it, but at least one answer refers to it (even if only in a sidenote). Changing it would leave their post looking odd. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. For what it's worth, the MC is not too upset - she's looking forward to having some little spiders scurrying about.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:56
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...her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she has eaten her lover.
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– Willk
Jan 11 at 2:08
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It would be nice to explain what a drider is (or link to some pictures) so people not familiar with this race know what you're talking about.
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– Elmy
Jan 10 at 20:28
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It would be nice to explain what a drider is (or link to some pictures) so people not familiar with this race know what you're talking about.
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– Elmy
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@Elmy Good point, added.
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– Loid Thanead
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@Elmy Good point, added.
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Isnt it creepy as all hell that another spider just has sex with her after she intoxicates herself? Perhaps change that?
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– Demigan
Jan 10 at 20:57
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Isnt it creepy as all hell that another spider just has sex with her after she intoxicates herself? Perhaps change that?
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– Demigan
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@Demigan, I see what you mean. I would change it, but at least one answer refers to it (even if only in a sidenote). Changing it would leave their post looking odd. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. For what it's worth, the MC is not too upset - she's looking forward to having some little spiders scurrying about.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:56
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@Demigan, I see what you mean. I would change it, but at least one answer refers to it (even if only in a sidenote). Changing it would leave their post looking odd. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. For what it's worth, the MC is not too upset - she's looking forward to having some little spiders scurrying about.
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– Loid Thanead
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...her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she has eaten her lover.
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– Willk
Jan 11 at 2:08
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...her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she has eaten her lover.
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Have you hear of r/K Selection Theory? (Wikipedia) Basically, when reproducing, there is a trade-off between quantity (r) and quality(K). You can make 5,000 eggs and lay them... if they are "low-quality," so low investment in energy into them, and low chance of survival per egg. If you only have one offspring at a time, you want to make sure that it survives, so you spend extra energy on protecting them and feeding them (both before and after birth.)
Humans, if you haven't guessed, are K-strategists. We put a lot of resources (time, energy, food) into each offspring. Most large animals are K-strategists as well. Making big babies requires lots of time and energy by default.
Your driders are also K-strategists, putting lots of resources into few children.
Your driders probably don't have a lot of instincts, and will require a lot of education to get their life skills, like walking and webmaking. That's going to require time, something that any drider has only so much of.
They can't feed themselves when young.
You said that there's magic - if driders have magic then investing their children with magic requires resources.
Drider mothers are going to be fiercely protective of their children.
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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Maybe we can deduce the reason from drider anatomy. Myself not that familiar with driders, I googled up some images. Depictions of drider females are very consistent.
https://www.pinterest.com/brad_darcy/drider-type/
Driders have two breasts.
They are hard to miss in (every single one of) these pictures. Breasts means the drider nurses her young. Two means able to nurse twins at the same time, but even that can be a struggle - this was covered in an earlier question about number of nipples / number of offspring; generally # of offspring is half the # of nipples. Presumably that is because competition for food (here nipples) limits the number which can be successfully nursed to weaning, and so it makes more sense for the female to concentrate resources in a smaller # of young.
Thinking about egg laying creatures, they not infrequently lay more eggs than can be expected to survive to reproductive age. Eggs are eaten and young are eaten, especially when there is no maternal care as is the case for most invertebrates. Maternal care from something like a drider would be like maternal care from a rock python or crocodile - not as much opportunity for the sorts of predators that want to eat eggs or young.
But why 7 or 8, not one? Birds provide parental care and in many species, the 4 or 5 young that hatch compete with each other while in the nest until they are down to 1 or 2 left. Some mammals (armadillos, I think?) do that too. That seems a driderish hard-bitten sort of thing to have happen and that could account for your handful of eggs.
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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Hybrid Creature = Hybrid Birthing Traits
Since the Drider is still half human, it makes sense that at lease some human traits would carry through to the birthing process. 7-12 eggs is a reasonable average between human offspring (1) and spider offspring (dozens to hundreds), especially on a log scale.
Size
A related topic is size. In general, litter size scales inversely with creature size. Small animals can have hundreds of offspring, larger animals generally have less. If the Drider is a large size, potentially even bigger than a human, then numerous biological and physical forces (i.e square-cube law) would encourage it to have less offspring.
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Better survivors.
In the animal world, large litters are laid by prey animals because a great deal of the eggs are eaten before hatching, or the newborns are eaten shortly after birth, by predatory animals. So they need to lay a lot of them, so that at least some survive. It's why introducing such animals to areas where they have no predators is catastrophic to the bio-system. ALL the babies survive, and the population explodes.
If Driders can defend themselves from birth (not unlikely) and if the eggs are well protected, then there's less of a need to lay a great many of them. This is in comparison to actual spiders, whose egg sacs can contain hundreds of baby spiders, only some of which survive.
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Food. Small spiders have far more types and quantity of prey walking around to feed from. Driders do not. Laying 100+ eggs wastes energy as it means many of them will eat some animals but starve anyway, wasting precious food in the process.
Also smaller creatures get lots of kiddo's to make sure enough survive to adulthood. Small spiders are eaten by birds and other small animals before they get children, so you need lots and lots of small spiders to get by. Driders do not have this problem, so they can go @Itmauve his solution of more qualitative children.
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Perhaps driders are a lot more complex than regular spiders, and so they require more resources to successfully develop while in the egg. This can lead to smaller brood sizes through ordinary selection pressures, as it's simply not feasible for driders to reliably secure enough food to produce larger numbers of offspring per pregnancy.
This can especially be the case if the eggs require more time to develop within the parent prior to being laid, or if the eggs require application of specific chemicals to develop properly afterwards.
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As noted by others, the Dryder as described looks like a K-strategy species, a species that produces a small number of young that it cares for.
But you want lots of eggs.
This is a hybrid creature. What if we had hybrid reproduction?
Have her lay lots of eggs. But only 0-2 of them become Dryders.
The remaining dozen(s?) become normal spiders (or maybe huge spiders, or small spiders that eventually can grow to be huge).
Now, as a hybrid creature, we could add a means for the egg to develop be chosen that is less brutal than "the hatchlings eat each other" or "random chance".
The mother places the chosen egg within a "pouch", like a kangaroo. The egg within the pouch develops something like a placenta, and the egg-shell dissolves (maybe turning into an amniotic sac?), and then it develops in a mammal-like way until it is larger, and then comes out of the mother in a mammal (or pseudo-marsupial-like) birth.
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Have you hear of r/K Selection Theory? (Wikipedia) Basically, when reproducing, there is a trade-off between quantity (r) and quality(K). You can make 5,000 eggs and lay them... if they are "low-quality," so low investment in energy into them, and low chance of survival per egg. If you only have one offspring at a time, you want to make sure that it survives, so you spend extra energy on protecting them and feeding them (both before and after birth.)
Humans, if you haven't guessed, are K-strategists. We put a lot of resources (time, energy, food) into each offspring. Most large animals are K-strategists as well. Making big babies requires lots of time and energy by default.
Your driders are also K-strategists, putting lots of resources into few children.
Your driders probably don't have a lot of instincts, and will require a lot of education to get their life skills, like walking and webmaking. That's going to require time, something that any drider has only so much of.
They can't feed themselves when young.
You said that there's magic - if driders have magic then investing their children with magic requires resources.
Drider mothers are going to be fiercely protective of their children.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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– Cain
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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– ltmauve
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:35
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 22:03
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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– Flater
Jan 11 at 7:45
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Have you hear of r/K Selection Theory? (Wikipedia) Basically, when reproducing, there is a trade-off between quantity (r) and quality(K). You can make 5,000 eggs and lay them... if they are "low-quality," so low investment in energy into them, and low chance of survival per egg. If you only have one offspring at a time, you want to make sure that it survives, so you spend extra energy on protecting them and feeding them (both before and after birth.)
Humans, if you haven't guessed, are K-strategists. We put a lot of resources (time, energy, food) into each offspring. Most large animals are K-strategists as well. Making big babies requires lots of time and energy by default.
Your driders are also K-strategists, putting lots of resources into few children.
Your driders probably don't have a lot of instincts, and will require a lot of education to get their life skills, like walking and webmaking. That's going to require time, something that any drider has only so much of.
They can't feed themselves when young.
You said that there's magic - if driders have magic then investing their children with magic requires resources.
Drider mothers are going to be fiercely protective of their children.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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– Cain
Jan 10 at 21:08
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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– ltmauve
Jan 10 at 21:09
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:35
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 22:03
3
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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– Flater
Jan 11 at 7:45
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show 3 more comments
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Have you hear of r/K Selection Theory? (Wikipedia) Basically, when reproducing, there is a trade-off between quantity (r) and quality(K). You can make 5,000 eggs and lay them... if they are "low-quality," so low investment in energy into them, and low chance of survival per egg. If you only have one offspring at a time, you want to make sure that it survives, so you spend extra energy on protecting them and feeding them (both before and after birth.)
Humans, if you haven't guessed, are K-strategists. We put a lot of resources (time, energy, food) into each offspring. Most large animals are K-strategists as well. Making big babies requires lots of time and energy by default.
Your driders are also K-strategists, putting lots of resources into few children.
Your driders probably don't have a lot of instincts, and will require a lot of education to get their life skills, like walking and webmaking. That's going to require time, something that any drider has only so much of.
They can't feed themselves when young.
You said that there's magic - if driders have magic then investing their children with magic requires resources.
Drider mothers are going to be fiercely protective of their children.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
ltmauveltmauve
2,285615
$endgroup$
Have you hear of r/K Selection Theory? (Wikipedia) Basically, when reproducing, there is a trade-off between quantity (r) and quality(K). You can make 5,000 eggs and lay them... if they are "low-quality," so low investment in energy into them, and low chance of survival per egg. If you only have one offspring at a time, you want to make sure that it survives, so you spend extra energy on protecting them and feeding them (both before and after birth.)
Humans, if you haven't guessed, are K-strategists. We put a lot of resources (time, energy, food) into each offspring. Most large animals are K-strategists as well. Making big babies requires lots of time and energy by default.
Your driders are also K-strategists, putting lots of resources into few children.
Your driders probably don't have a lot of instincts, and will require a lot of education to get their life skills, like walking and webmaking. That's going to require time, something that any drider has only so much of.
They can't feed themselves when young.
You said that there's magic - if driders have magic then investing their children with magic requires resources.
Drider mothers are going to be fiercely protective of their children.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
ltmauveltmauve
2,285615
edited Jan 11 at 19:33
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
ltmauveltmauve
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answered Jan 10 at 20:49
ltmauveltmauve
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answered Jan 10 at 20:49
ltmauveltmauve
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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– Cain
Jan 10 at 21:08
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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– ltmauve
Jan 10 at 21:09
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:35
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 22:03
3
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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– Flater
Jan 11 at 7:45
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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– Cain
Jan 10 at 21:08
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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– ltmauve
Jan 10 at 21:09
1
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:35
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 22:03
3
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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– Flater
Jan 11 at 7:45
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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– Cain
Jan 10 at 21:08
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I thought that was a link to a subreddit for a second...
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– Cain
Jan 10 at 21:08
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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– ltmauve
Jan 10 at 21:09
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a) lol, b) I'll clarify where the link goes.
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– ltmauve
Jan 10 at 21:09
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:35
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@ltmauve, introducing evolution theory into a fantasy world? Yes, please! It will be interesting to examine the consequences to the drider's society. About the mate's 'fun-and-run' strategy, I was thinking about the danger real life female spiders sometimes pose to males, but now I'm intrigued by your comment. How does it suggest male rarity?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 21:35
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 22:03
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I just realized, this answers the question 'why would a drider lay fewer eggs than a real spider'. Taking the logic to it's logical conclusion, driders would end up laying about as many eggs as humans do. Would there be any reasons they lay more than that?
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 22:03
3
3
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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– Flater
Jan 11 at 7:45
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There's also an additional component of the drawbacks of being a K-strategist with many eggs. If you successfully raise many children, they're probably going to be competing for local resources and thus either some of them die or everyone gets less food than they need, which is going to lead to smaller and/or weaker animals. This will mean that K-strategists will evolutionarily move towards having less eggs because the offspring will statistically end up stronger when there are less siblings competing for resources, which can explain why the drider has less eggs than their arachnid ancestors.
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– Flater
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Maybe we can deduce the reason from drider anatomy. Myself not that familiar with driders, I googled up some images. Depictions of drider females are very consistent.
https://www.pinterest.com/brad_darcy/drider-type/
Driders have two breasts.
They are hard to miss in (every single one of) these pictures. Breasts means the drider nurses her young. Two means able to nurse twins at the same time, but even that can be a struggle - this was covered in an earlier question about number of nipples / number of offspring; generally # of offspring is half the # of nipples. Presumably that is because competition for food (here nipples) limits the number which can be successfully nursed to weaning, and so it makes more sense for the female to concentrate resources in a smaller # of young.
Thinking about egg laying creatures, they not infrequently lay more eggs than can be expected to survive to reproductive age. Eggs are eaten and young are eaten, especially when there is no maternal care as is the case for most invertebrates. Maternal care from something like a drider would be like maternal care from a rock python or crocodile - not as much opportunity for the sorts of predators that want to eat eggs or young.
But why 7 or 8, not one? Birds provide parental care and in many species, the 4 or 5 young that hatch compete with each other while in the nest until they are down to 1 or 2 left. Some mammals (armadillos, I think?) do that too. That seems a driderish hard-bitten sort of thing to have happen and that could account for your handful of eggs.
answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
Jan 11 at 5:34
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 11 at 9:12
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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– Mazura
Jan 12 at 3:19
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Maybe we can deduce the reason from drider anatomy. Myself not that familiar with driders, I googled up some images. Depictions of drider females are very consistent.
https://www.pinterest.com/brad_darcy/drider-type/
Driders have two breasts.
They are hard to miss in (every single one of) these pictures. Breasts means the drider nurses her young. Two means able to nurse twins at the same time, but even that can be a struggle - this was covered in an earlier question about number of nipples / number of offspring; generally # of offspring is half the # of nipples. Presumably that is because competition for food (here nipples) limits the number which can be successfully nursed to weaning, and so it makes more sense for the female to concentrate resources in a smaller # of young.
Thinking about egg laying creatures, they not infrequently lay more eggs than can be expected to survive to reproductive age. Eggs are eaten and young are eaten, especially when there is no maternal care as is the case for most invertebrates. Maternal care from something like a drider would be like maternal care from a rock python or crocodile - not as much opportunity for the sorts of predators that want to eat eggs or young.
But why 7 or 8, not one? Birds provide parental care and in many species, the 4 or 5 young that hatch compete with each other while in the nest until they are down to 1 or 2 left. Some mammals (armadillos, I think?) do that too. That seems a driderish hard-bitten sort of thing to have happen and that could account for your handful of eggs.
answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
107k26201447
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
Jan 11 at 5:34
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 11 at 9:12
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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– Mazura
Jan 12 at 3:19
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Maybe we can deduce the reason from drider anatomy. Myself not that familiar with driders, I googled up some images. Depictions of drider females are very consistent.
https://www.pinterest.com/brad_darcy/drider-type/
Driders have two breasts.
They are hard to miss in (every single one of) these pictures. Breasts means the drider nurses her young. Two means able to nurse twins at the same time, but even that can be a struggle - this was covered in an earlier question about number of nipples / number of offspring; generally # of offspring is half the # of nipples. Presumably that is because competition for food (here nipples) limits the number which can be successfully nursed to weaning, and so it makes more sense for the female to concentrate resources in a smaller # of young.
Thinking about egg laying creatures, they not infrequently lay more eggs than can be expected to survive to reproductive age. Eggs are eaten and young are eaten, especially when there is no maternal care as is the case for most invertebrates. Maternal care from something like a drider would be like maternal care from a rock python or crocodile - not as much opportunity for the sorts of predators that want to eat eggs or young.
But why 7 or 8, not one? Birds provide parental care and in many species, the 4 or 5 young that hatch compete with each other while in the nest until they are down to 1 or 2 left. Some mammals (armadillos, I think?) do that too. That seems a driderish hard-bitten sort of thing to have happen and that could account for your handful of eggs.
answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
107k26201447
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Maybe we can deduce the reason from drider anatomy. Myself not that familiar with driders, I googled up some images. Depictions of drider females are very consistent.
https://www.pinterest.com/brad_darcy/drider-type/
Driders have two breasts.
They are hard to miss in (every single one of) these pictures. Breasts means the drider nurses her young. Two means able to nurse twins at the same time, but even that can be a struggle - this was covered in an earlier question about number of nipples / number of offspring; generally # of offspring is half the # of nipples. Presumably that is because competition for food (here nipples) limits the number which can be successfully nursed to weaning, and so it makes more sense for the female to concentrate resources in a smaller # of young.
Thinking about egg laying creatures, they not infrequently lay more eggs than can be expected to survive to reproductive age. Eggs are eaten and young are eaten, especially when there is no maternal care as is the case for most invertebrates. Maternal care from something like a drider would be like maternal care from a rock python or crocodile - not as much opportunity for the sorts of predators that want to eat eggs or young.
But why 7 or 8, not one? Birds provide parental care and in many species, the 4 or 5 young that hatch compete with each other while in the nest until they are down to 1 or 2 left. Some mammals (armadillos, I think?) do that too. That seems a driderish hard-bitten sort of thing to have happen and that could account for your handful of eggs.
answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
107k26201447
answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
107k26201447
answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
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answered Jan 11 at 2:18
WillkWillk
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
Jan 11 at 5:34
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 11 at 9:12
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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– Mazura
Jan 12 at 3:19
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5
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
Jan 11 at 5:34
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 11 at 9:12
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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– Mazura
Jan 12 at 3:19
5
5
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
Jan 11 at 5:34
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(not really) Related on SFF.SE: Does any man ever cross his arms?
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– Mazura
Jan 11 at 5:34
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 11 at 9:12
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Very good point, I hadn't yet considered this aspect.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 11 at 9:12
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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– Mazura
Jan 12 at 3:19
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Indeed, the distribution is disparaging.
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– Mazura
Jan 12 at 3:19
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Hybrid Creature = Hybrid Birthing Traits
Since the Drider is still half human, it makes sense that at lease some human traits would carry through to the birthing process. 7-12 eggs is a reasonable average between human offspring (1) and spider offspring (dozens to hundreds), especially on a log scale.
Size
A related topic is size. In general, litter size scales inversely with creature size. Small animals can have hundreds of offspring, larger animals generally have less. If the Drider is a large size, potentially even bigger than a human, then numerous biological and physical forces (i.e square-cube law) would encourage it to have less offspring.
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
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Hybrid Creature = Hybrid Birthing Traits
Since the Drider is still half human, it makes sense that at lease some human traits would carry through to the birthing process. 7-12 eggs is a reasonable average between human offspring (1) and spider offspring (dozens to hundreds), especially on a log scale.
Size
A related topic is size. In general, litter size scales inversely with creature size. Small animals can have hundreds of offspring, larger animals generally have less. If the Drider is a large size, potentially even bigger than a human, then numerous biological and physical forces (i.e square-cube law) would encourage it to have less offspring.
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
CainCain
1,813921
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Hybrid Creature = Hybrid Birthing Traits
Since the Drider is still half human, it makes sense that at lease some human traits would carry through to the birthing process. 7-12 eggs is a reasonable average between human offspring (1) and spider offspring (dozens to hundreds), especially on a log scale.
Size
A related topic is size. In general, litter size scales inversely with creature size. Small animals can have hundreds of offspring, larger animals generally have less. If the Drider is a large size, potentially even bigger than a human, then numerous biological and physical forces (i.e square-cube law) would encourage it to have less offspring.
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
CainCain
1,813921
$endgroup$
Hybrid Creature = Hybrid Birthing Traits
Since the Drider is still half human, it makes sense that at lease some human traits would carry through to the birthing process. 7-12 eggs is a reasonable average between human offspring (1) and spider offspring (dozens to hundreds), especially on a log scale.
Size
A related topic is size. In general, litter size scales inversely with creature size. Small animals can have hundreds of offspring, larger animals generally have less. If the Drider is a large size, potentially even bigger than a human, then numerous biological and physical forces (i.e square-cube law) would encourage it to have less offspring.
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
CainCain
1,813921
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
CainCain
1,813921
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
CainCain
1,813921
answered Jan 10 at 20:50
CainCain
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Better survivors.
In the animal world, large litters are laid by prey animals because a great deal of the eggs are eaten before hatching, or the newborns are eaten shortly after birth, by predatory animals. So they need to lay a lot of them, so that at least some survive. It's why introducing such animals to areas where they have no predators is catastrophic to the bio-system. ALL the babies survive, and the population explodes.
If Driders can defend themselves from birth (not unlikely) and if the eggs are well protected, then there's less of a need to lay a great many of them. This is in comparison to actual spiders, whose egg sacs can contain hundreds of baby spiders, only some of which survive.
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
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Better survivors.
In the animal world, large litters are laid by prey animals because a great deal of the eggs are eaten before hatching, or the newborns are eaten shortly after birth, by predatory animals. So they need to lay a lot of them, so that at least some survive. It's why introducing such animals to areas where they have no predators is catastrophic to the bio-system. ALL the babies survive, and the population explodes.
If Driders can defend themselves from birth (not unlikely) and if the eggs are well protected, then there's less of a need to lay a great many of them. This is in comparison to actual spiders, whose egg sacs can contain hundreds of baby spiders, only some of which survive.
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
2,322213
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add a comment |
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Better survivors.
In the animal world, large litters are laid by prey animals because a great deal of the eggs are eaten before hatching, or the newborns are eaten shortly after birth, by predatory animals. So they need to lay a lot of them, so that at least some survive. It's why introducing such animals to areas where they have no predators is catastrophic to the bio-system. ALL the babies survive, and the population explodes.
If Driders can defend themselves from birth (not unlikely) and if the eggs are well protected, then there's less of a need to lay a great many of them. This is in comparison to actual spiders, whose egg sacs can contain hundreds of baby spiders, only some of which survive.
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
2,322213
$endgroup$
Better survivors.
In the animal world, large litters are laid by prey animals because a great deal of the eggs are eaten before hatching, or the newborns are eaten shortly after birth, by predatory animals. So they need to lay a lot of them, so that at least some survive. It's why introducing such animals to areas where they have no predators is catastrophic to the bio-system. ALL the babies survive, and the population explodes.
If Driders can defend themselves from birth (not unlikely) and if the eggs are well protected, then there's less of a need to lay a great many of them. This is in comparison to actual spiders, whose egg sacs can contain hundreds of baby spiders, only some of which survive.
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
2,322213
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
2,322213
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
2,322213
answered Jan 10 at 21:05
VBartilucciVBartilucci
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Food. Small spiders have far more types and quantity of prey walking around to feed from. Driders do not. Laying 100+ eggs wastes energy as it means many of them will eat some animals but starve anyway, wasting precious food in the process.
Also smaller creatures get lots of kiddo's to make sure enough survive to adulthood. Small spiders are eaten by birds and other small animals before they get children, so you need lots and lots of small spiders to get by. Driders do not have this problem, so they can go @Itmauve his solution of more qualitative children.
answered Jan 10 at 21:14
DemiganDemigan
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Food. Small spiders have far more types and quantity of prey walking around to feed from. Driders do not. Laying 100+ eggs wastes energy as it means many of them will eat some animals but starve anyway, wasting precious food in the process.
Also smaller creatures get lots of kiddo's to make sure enough survive to adulthood. Small spiders are eaten by birds and other small animals before they get children, so you need lots and lots of small spiders to get by. Driders do not have this problem, so they can go @Itmauve his solution of more qualitative children.
answered Jan 10 at 21:14
DemiganDemigan
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Food. Small spiders have far more types and quantity of prey walking around to feed from. Driders do not. Laying 100+ eggs wastes energy as it means many of them will eat some animals but starve anyway, wasting precious food in the process.
Also smaller creatures get lots of kiddo's to make sure enough survive to adulthood. Small spiders are eaten by birds and other small animals before they get children, so you need lots and lots of small spiders to get by. Driders do not have this problem, so they can go @Itmauve his solution of more qualitative children.
answered Jan 10 at 21:14
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Food. Small spiders have far more types and quantity of prey walking around to feed from. Driders do not. Laying 100+ eggs wastes energy as it means many of them will eat some animals but starve anyway, wasting precious food in the process.
Also smaller creatures get lots of kiddo's to make sure enough survive to adulthood. Small spiders are eaten by birds and other small animals before they get children, so you need lots and lots of small spiders to get by. Driders do not have this problem, so they can go @Itmauve his solution of more qualitative children.
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Perhaps driders are a lot more complex than regular spiders, and so they require more resources to successfully develop while in the egg. This can lead to smaller brood sizes through ordinary selection pressures, as it's simply not feasible for driders to reliably secure enough food to produce larger numbers of offspring per pregnancy.
This can especially be the case if the eggs require more time to develop within the parent prior to being laid, or if the eggs require application of specific chemicals to develop properly afterwards.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
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Perhaps driders are a lot more complex than regular spiders, and so they require more resources to successfully develop while in the egg. This can lead to smaller brood sizes through ordinary selection pressures, as it's simply not feasible for driders to reliably secure enough food to produce larger numbers of offspring per pregnancy.
This can especially be the case if the eggs require more time to develop within the parent prior to being laid, or if the eggs require application of specific chemicals to develop properly afterwards.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
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Perhaps driders are a lot more complex than regular spiders, and so they require more resources to successfully develop while in the egg. This can lead to smaller brood sizes through ordinary selection pressures, as it's simply not feasible for driders to reliably secure enough food to produce larger numbers of offspring per pregnancy.
This can especially be the case if the eggs require more time to develop within the parent prior to being laid, or if the eggs require application of specific chemicals to develop properly afterwards.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
Upper_CaseUpper_Case
95037
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Perhaps driders are a lot more complex than regular spiders, and so they require more resources to successfully develop while in the egg. This can lead to smaller brood sizes through ordinary selection pressures, as it's simply not feasible for driders to reliably secure enough food to produce larger numbers of offspring per pregnancy.
This can especially be the case if the eggs require more time to develop within the parent prior to being laid, or if the eggs require application of specific chemicals to develop properly afterwards.
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
Upper_CaseUpper_Case
95037
answered Jan 10 at 20:49
Upper_CaseUpper_Case
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As noted by others, the Dryder as described looks like a K-strategy species, a species that produces a small number of young that it cares for.
But you want lots of eggs.
This is a hybrid creature. What if we had hybrid reproduction?
Have her lay lots of eggs. But only 0-2 of them become Dryders.
The remaining dozen(s?) become normal spiders (or maybe huge spiders, or small spiders that eventually can grow to be huge).
Now, as a hybrid creature, we could add a means for the egg to develop be chosen that is less brutal than "the hatchlings eat each other" or "random chance".
The mother places the chosen egg within a "pouch", like a kangaroo. The egg within the pouch develops something like a placenta, and the egg-shell dissolves (maybe turning into an amniotic sac?), and then it develops in a mammal-like way until it is larger, and then comes out of the mother in a mammal (or pseudo-marsupial-like) birth.
answered Jan 11 at 18:46
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As noted by others, the Dryder as described looks like a K-strategy species, a species that produces a small number of young that it cares for.
But you want lots of eggs.
This is a hybrid creature. What if we had hybrid reproduction?
Have her lay lots of eggs. But only 0-2 of them become Dryders.
The remaining dozen(s?) become normal spiders (or maybe huge spiders, or small spiders that eventually can grow to be huge).
Now, as a hybrid creature, we could add a means for the egg to develop be chosen that is less brutal than "the hatchlings eat each other" or "random chance".
The mother places the chosen egg within a "pouch", like a kangaroo. The egg within the pouch develops something like a placenta, and the egg-shell dissolves (maybe turning into an amniotic sac?), and then it develops in a mammal-like way until it is larger, and then comes out of the mother in a mammal (or pseudo-marsupial-like) birth.
answered Jan 11 at 18:46
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As noted by others, the Dryder as described looks like a K-strategy species, a species that produces a small number of young that it cares for.
But you want lots of eggs.
This is a hybrid creature. What if we had hybrid reproduction?
Have her lay lots of eggs. But only 0-2 of them become Dryders.
The remaining dozen(s?) become normal spiders (or maybe huge spiders, or small spiders that eventually can grow to be huge).
Now, as a hybrid creature, we could add a means for the egg to develop be chosen that is less brutal than "the hatchlings eat each other" or "random chance".
The mother places the chosen egg within a "pouch", like a kangaroo. The egg within the pouch develops something like a placenta, and the egg-shell dissolves (maybe turning into an amniotic sac?), and then it develops in a mammal-like way until it is larger, and then comes out of the mother in a mammal (or pseudo-marsupial-like) birth.
answered Jan 11 at 18:46
YakkYakk
8,56511237
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As noted by others, the Dryder as described looks like a K-strategy species, a species that produces a small number of young that it cares for.
But you want lots of eggs.
This is a hybrid creature. What if we had hybrid reproduction?
Have her lay lots of eggs. But only 0-2 of them become Dryders.
The remaining dozen(s?) become normal spiders (or maybe huge spiders, or small spiders that eventually can grow to be huge).
Now, as a hybrid creature, we could add a means for the egg to develop be chosen that is less brutal than "the hatchlings eat each other" or "random chance".
The mother places the chosen egg within a "pouch", like a kangaroo. The egg within the pouch develops something like a placenta, and the egg-shell dissolves (maybe turning into an amniotic sac?), and then it develops in a mammal-like way until it is larger, and then comes out of the mother in a mammal (or pseudo-marsupial-like) birth.
answered Jan 11 at 18:46
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edited Jan 11 at 23:27
answered Jan 11 at 18:46
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answered Jan 11 at 18:46
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It would be nice to explain what a drider is (or link to some pictures) so people not familiar with this race know what you're talking about.
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– Elmy
Jan 10 at 20:28
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@Elmy Good point, added.
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– Loid Thanead
Jan 10 at 20:38
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Isnt it creepy as all hell that another spider just has sex with her after she intoxicates herself? Perhaps change that?
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– Demigan
Jan 10 at 20:57
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@Demigan, I see what you mean. I would change it, but at least one answer refers to it (even if only in a sidenote). Changing it would leave their post looking odd. I'm not sure how to proceed with this. For what it's worth, the MC is not too upset - she's looking forward to having some little spiders scurrying about.
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– Loid Thanead
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...her abdomen feels strangely full... There's only one conclusion - she has eaten her lover.
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– Willk
Jan 11 at 2:08