The number $F(n,k)$ of forests on the vertex set $[n]$ having $k$ components and such that $1, . . . , k$...
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Problem: What is the number $F(n,k)$ of forests on the vertex set $[n]$ having $k$ components and such that $1, . . . , k$ belong to distinct components?
Solution given by the professor Janos Pach: Take an arbitrary tree $T$ on the vertices $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ . Any forest of $k$ components where $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ are in distinct components, together with $T$ is a tree on $n$ vertices, and vica-versa. So, we need to compute how many labeled trees on $n$ vertices contain a given labeled subtree on a given subset of $k$ vertices. Using the previous exercise, we obtain $k n ^ { n - k - 1 }$.
Previous exercice: Let $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k }$ be trees on disjoint sets of points and $V = V left( T _ { 1 } right) cup ldots cup V left( T _ { k } right) .$ What is the number of labeled trees on $V$ containing $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k } ?$
Answer: $left| V left( T _ { 1 } right) right| ldots left| V left( T _ { k } right) right| cdot | V ( T ) | ^ { k - 2 }$
My question: I think I'm having difficulties in the understanding of the exercise. Is $T$ a tree with each vertices being a subtree? Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest? How manies vertices are there in a subtree? How does it relate numerically to the answer of the previous exercise?
combinatorics discrete-mathematics graph-theory trees
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Problem: What is the number $F(n,k)$ of forests on the vertex set $[n]$ having $k$ components and such that $1, . . . , k$ belong to distinct components?
Solution given by the professor Janos Pach: Take an arbitrary tree $T$ on the vertices $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ . Any forest of $k$ components where $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ are in distinct components, together with $T$ is a tree on $n$ vertices, and vica-versa. So, we need to compute how many labeled trees on $n$ vertices contain a given labeled subtree on a given subset of $k$ vertices. Using the previous exercise, we obtain $k n ^ { n - k - 1 }$.
Previous exercice: Let $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k }$ be trees on disjoint sets of points and $V = V left( T _ { 1 } right) cup ldots cup V left( T _ { k } right) .$ What is the number of labeled trees on $V$ containing $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k } ?$
Answer: $left| V left( T _ { 1 } right) right| ldots left| V left( T _ { k } right) right| cdot | V ( T ) | ^ { k - 2 }$
My question: I think I'm having difficulties in the understanding of the exercise. Is $T$ a tree with each vertices being a subtree? Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest? How manies vertices are there in a subtree? How does it relate numerically to the answer of the previous exercise?
combinatorics discrete-mathematics graph-theory trees
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@ThomasLesgourgues That's what I was thought, but then how do I compute with the previous result the total number of forests?
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:46
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@ThomasLesgourgues The professor doesn't properly define what $T$ is, but it appears to be the tree created in such a way that it goes through only one vertices of each tree of the forest. So by creating a path that goes through $v _ { 1 } , dots , v _ { k }$ we are linking all the trees without creating any cycle, so we get at the $T$, a tree linking all the trees.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:54
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@ThomasLesgourgues I think it makes sense that $|V(T)|$ is equal to $n$ since $T$ is linking all of the $n$ vertices among every $T_i$.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:09
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That was actually my question in the main problem, $T$ has size $k$, not $n$. $T$ is not the forest plus some edges, $T$ is only built from the additionnal edges, so that $T$ plus the forest in the total tree. But in Previous problem I don't know if the definition of $T$ is the same. Could you clear this issue on definition, and then deletes these comments? they will be useless
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– Thomas Lesgourgues
Jan 18 at 17:12
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link Here is the solution of Previous problem. As you can see the professor doesn't precise what $T$ is. You are right $T$ has size $k$ but then I am getting even more confused how the formula applies.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:16
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Problem: What is the number $F(n,k)$ of forests on the vertex set $[n]$ having $k$ components and such that $1, . . . , k$ belong to distinct components?
Solution given by the professor Janos Pach: Take an arbitrary tree $T$ on the vertices $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ . Any forest of $k$ components where $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ are in distinct components, together with $T$ is a tree on $n$ vertices, and vica-versa. So, we need to compute how many labeled trees on $n$ vertices contain a given labeled subtree on a given subset of $k$ vertices. Using the previous exercise, we obtain $k n ^ { n - k - 1 }$.
Previous exercice: Let $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k }$ be trees on disjoint sets of points and $V = V left( T _ { 1 } right) cup ldots cup V left( T _ { k } right) .$ What is the number of labeled trees on $V$ containing $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k } ?$
Answer: $left| V left( T _ { 1 } right) right| ldots left| V left( T _ { k } right) right| cdot | V ( T ) | ^ { k - 2 }$
My question: I think I'm having difficulties in the understanding of the exercise. Is $T$ a tree with each vertices being a subtree? Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest? How manies vertices are there in a subtree? How does it relate numerically to the answer of the previous exercise?
combinatorics discrete-mathematics graph-theory trees
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Problem: What is the number $F(n,k)$ of forests on the vertex set $[n]$ having $k$ components and such that $1, . . . , k$ belong to distinct components?
Solution given by the professor Janos Pach: Take an arbitrary tree $T$ on the vertices $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ . Any forest of $k$ components where $v _ { 1 } , ldots , v _ { k }$ are in distinct components, together with $T$ is a tree on $n$ vertices, and vica-versa. So, we need to compute how many labeled trees on $n$ vertices contain a given labeled subtree on a given subset of $k$ vertices. Using the previous exercise, we obtain $k n ^ { n - k - 1 }$.
Previous exercice: Let $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k }$ be trees on disjoint sets of points and $V = V left( T _ { 1 } right) cup ldots cup V left( T _ { k } right) .$ What is the number of labeled trees on $V$ containing $T _ { 1 } , ldots , T _ { k } ?$
Answer: $left| V left( T _ { 1 } right) right| ldots left| V left( T _ { k } right) right| cdot | V ( T ) | ^ { k - 2 }$
My question: I think I'm having difficulties in the understanding of the exercise. Is $T$ a tree with each vertices being a subtree? Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest? How manies vertices are there in a subtree? How does it relate numerically to the answer of the previous exercise?
combinatorics discrete-mathematics graph-theory trees
combinatorics discrete-mathematics graph-theory trees
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@ThomasLesgourgues That's what I was thought, but then how do I compute with the previous result the total number of forests?
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:46
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@ThomasLesgourgues The professor doesn't properly define what $T$ is, but it appears to be the tree created in such a way that it goes through only one vertices of each tree of the forest. So by creating a path that goes through $v _ { 1 } , dots , v _ { k }$ we are linking all the trees without creating any cycle, so we get at the $T$, a tree linking all the trees.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:54
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@ThomasLesgourgues I think it makes sense that $|V(T)|$ is equal to $n$ since $T$ is linking all of the $n$ vertices among every $T_i$.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:09
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That was actually my question in the main problem, $T$ has size $k$, not $n$. $T$ is not the forest plus some edges, $T$ is only built from the additionnal edges, so that $T$ plus the forest in the total tree. But in Previous problem I don't know if the definition of $T$ is the same. Could you clear this issue on definition, and then deletes these comments? they will be useless
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– Thomas Lesgourgues
Jan 18 at 17:12
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link Here is the solution of Previous problem. As you can see the professor doesn't precise what $T$ is. You are right $T$ has size $k$ but then I am getting even more confused how the formula applies.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:16
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@ThomasLesgourgues That's what I was thought, but then how do I compute with the previous result the total number of forests?
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:46
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@ThomasLesgourgues The professor doesn't properly define what $T$ is, but it appears to be the tree created in such a way that it goes through only one vertices of each tree of the forest. So by creating a path that goes through $v _ { 1 } , dots , v _ { k }$ we are linking all the trees without creating any cycle, so we get at the $T$, a tree linking all the trees.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:54
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@ThomasLesgourgues I think it makes sense that $|V(T)|$ is equal to $n$ since $T$ is linking all of the $n$ vertices among every $T_i$.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:09
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That was actually my question in the main problem, $T$ has size $k$, not $n$. $T$ is not the forest plus some edges, $T$ is only built from the additionnal edges, so that $T$ plus the forest in the total tree. But in Previous problem I don't know if the definition of $T$ is the same. Could you clear this issue on definition, and then deletes these comments? they will be useless
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– Thomas Lesgourgues
Jan 18 at 17:12
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link Here is the solution of Previous problem. As you can see the professor doesn't precise what $T$ is. You are right $T$ has size $k$ but then I am getting even more confused how the formula applies.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:16
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@ThomasLesgourgues That's what I was thought, but then how do I compute with the previous result the total number of forests?
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:46
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@ThomasLesgourgues That's what I was thought, but then how do I compute with the previous result the total number of forests?
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:46
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@ThomasLesgourgues The professor doesn't properly define what $T$ is, but it appears to be the tree created in such a way that it goes through only one vertices of each tree of the forest. So by creating a path that goes through $v _ { 1 } , dots , v _ { k }$ we are linking all the trees without creating any cycle, so we get at the $T$, a tree linking all the trees.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:54
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@ThomasLesgourgues The professor doesn't properly define what $T$ is, but it appears to be the tree created in such a way that it goes through only one vertices of each tree of the forest. So by creating a path that goes through $v _ { 1 } , dots , v _ { k }$ we are linking all the trees without creating any cycle, so we get at the $T$, a tree linking all the trees.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:54
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@ThomasLesgourgues I think it makes sense that $|V(T)|$ is equal to $n$ since $T$ is linking all of the $n$ vertices among every $T_i$.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:09
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@ThomasLesgourgues I think it makes sense that $|V(T)|$ is equal to $n$ since $T$ is linking all of the $n$ vertices among every $T_i$.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:09
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That was actually my question in the main problem, $T$ has size $k$, not $n$. $T$ is not the forest plus some edges, $T$ is only built from the additionnal edges, so that $T$ plus the forest in the total tree. But in Previous problem I don't know if the definition of $T$ is the same. Could you clear this issue on definition, and then deletes these comments? they will be useless
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– Thomas Lesgourgues
Jan 18 at 17:12
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That was actually my question in the main problem, $T$ has size $k$, not $n$. $T$ is not the forest plus some edges, $T$ is only built from the additionnal edges, so that $T$ plus the forest in the total tree. But in Previous problem I don't know if the definition of $T$ is the same. Could you clear this issue on definition, and then deletes these comments? they will be useless
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– Thomas Lesgourgues
Jan 18 at 17:12
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link Here is the solution of Previous problem. As you can see the professor doesn't precise what $T$ is. You are right $T$ has size $k$ but then I am getting even more confused how the formula applies.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:16
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link Here is the solution of Previous problem. As you can see the professor doesn't precise what $T$ is. You are right $T$ has size $k$ but then I am getting even more confused how the formula applies.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:16
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Is $T$ a tree with each vertex being a subtree?
No quite; $T$ is a tree with vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest?
For each forest $F$ counted by $F(n,k)$, there are $k$ components, and each component is a subtree. However, there are more subtrees. For example, in the below forest, counted by $F(5,2)$, 1 - 3
is a subtree:
1 - 3 - 4
2 - 5
How many vertices are there in a subtree?
Each component in $F$ can have between $1$ and $n-k+1$ vertices.
How does this relate numerically to the previous exercise?
It does not.
Let $T$ be any tree on the vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$; for example, you could just have $T$ be the line $1-2-dots-k$. The idea is that, if $F$ is a forest counted by $F(n,k)$, then adding the edges of $T$ to $F$ results in a new tree with vertices ${1,2,dots,n}$, let's call it $T'$, which contains $T$. Conversely, given any tree $T'$ which contains $T$, removing the edges in $T$ results in a forest with $k$ components such that ${1,2,dots,k}$ are in different components. This bijection shows that $F(n,k)$ is equal to the number of trees containing $T$.
How do we use the previous exercise to count trees on ${1,2,dots,n}$ containing $T$? Define $T_1, T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ as follows:
$T_1$ is the tree $T$ on vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
$T_2$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+1}$.
$T_3$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+2}$.
$vdots$
$T_{n-k+1}$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${n}$.
Note that the union of the vertex sets for $T_1,T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ is equal to ${1,2,dots,n}$, and a tree on ${1,2,dots,n}$ contains all of the $T_i$ if and only if it contains $T_1=T$, since any tree will trivially contain all of the trees $T_2,T_3,dots,T_{n-k+1}$. Using the theorem, you will get $kn^{n-k-1}$.
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Is $T$ a tree with each vertex being a subtree?
No quite; $T$ is a tree with vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest?
For each forest $F$ counted by $F(n,k)$, there are $k$ components, and each component is a subtree. However, there are more subtrees. For example, in the below forest, counted by $F(5,2)$, 1 - 3
is a subtree:
1 - 3 - 4
2 - 5
How many vertices are there in a subtree?
Each component in $F$ can have between $1$ and $n-k+1$ vertices.
How does this relate numerically to the previous exercise?
It does not.
Let $T$ be any tree on the vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$; for example, you could just have $T$ be the line $1-2-dots-k$. The idea is that, if $F$ is a forest counted by $F(n,k)$, then adding the edges of $T$ to $F$ results in a new tree with vertices ${1,2,dots,n}$, let's call it $T'$, which contains $T$. Conversely, given any tree $T'$ which contains $T$, removing the edges in $T$ results in a forest with $k$ components such that ${1,2,dots,k}$ are in different components. This bijection shows that $F(n,k)$ is equal to the number of trees containing $T$.
How do we use the previous exercise to count trees on ${1,2,dots,n}$ containing $T$? Define $T_1, T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ as follows:
$T_1$ is the tree $T$ on vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
$T_2$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+1}$.
$T_3$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+2}$.
$vdots$
$T_{n-k+1}$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${n}$.
Note that the union of the vertex sets for $T_1,T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ is equal to ${1,2,dots,n}$, and a tree on ${1,2,dots,n}$ contains all of the $T_i$ if and only if it contains $T_1=T$, since any tree will trivially contain all of the trees $T_2,T_3,dots,T_{n-k+1}$. Using the theorem, you will get $kn^{n-k-1}$.
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Is $T$ a tree with each vertex being a subtree?
No quite; $T$ is a tree with vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest?
For each forest $F$ counted by $F(n,k)$, there are $k$ components, and each component is a subtree. However, there are more subtrees. For example, in the below forest, counted by $F(5,2)$, 1 - 3
is a subtree:
1 - 3 - 4
2 - 5
How many vertices are there in a subtree?
Each component in $F$ can have between $1$ and $n-k+1$ vertices.
How does this relate numerically to the previous exercise?
It does not.
Let $T$ be any tree on the vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$; for example, you could just have $T$ be the line $1-2-dots-k$. The idea is that, if $F$ is a forest counted by $F(n,k)$, then adding the edges of $T$ to $F$ results in a new tree with vertices ${1,2,dots,n}$, let's call it $T'$, which contains $T$. Conversely, given any tree $T'$ which contains $T$, removing the edges in $T$ results in a forest with $k$ components such that ${1,2,dots,k}$ are in different components. This bijection shows that $F(n,k)$ is equal to the number of trees containing $T$.
How do we use the previous exercise to count trees on ${1,2,dots,n}$ containing $T$? Define $T_1, T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ as follows:
$T_1$ is the tree $T$ on vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
$T_2$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+1}$.
$T_3$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+2}$.
$vdots$
$T_{n-k+1}$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${n}$.
Note that the union of the vertex sets for $T_1,T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ is equal to ${1,2,dots,n}$, and a tree on ${1,2,dots,n}$ contains all of the $T_i$ if and only if it contains $T_1=T$, since any tree will trivially contain all of the trees $T_2,T_3,dots,T_{n-k+1}$. Using the theorem, you will get $kn^{n-k-1}$.
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$begingroup$
Is $T$ a tree with each vertex being a subtree?
No quite; $T$ is a tree with vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest?
For each forest $F$ counted by $F(n,k)$, there are $k$ components, and each component is a subtree. However, there are more subtrees. For example, in the below forest, counted by $F(5,2)$, 1 - 3
is a subtree:
1 - 3 - 4
2 - 5
How many vertices are there in a subtree?
Each component in $F$ can have between $1$ and $n-k+1$ vertices.
How does this relate numerically to the previous exercise?
It does not.
Let $T$ be any tree on the vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$; for example, you could just have $T$ be the line $1-2-dots-k$. The idea is that, if $F$ is a forest counted by $F(n,k)$, then adding the edges of $T$ to $F$ results in a new tree with vertices ${1,2,dots,n}$, let's call it $T'$, which contains $T$. Conversely, given any tree $T'$ which contains $T$, removing the edges in $T$ results in a forest with $k$ components such that ${1,2,dots,k}$ are in different components. This bijection shows that $F(n,k)$ is equal to the number of trees containing $T$.
How do we use the previous exercise to count trees on ${1,2,dots,n}$ containing $T$? Define $T_1, T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ as follows:
$T_1$ is the tree $T$ on vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
$T_2$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+1}$.
$T_3$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+2}$.
$vdots$
$T_{n-k+1}$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${n}$.
Note that the union of the vertex sets for $T_1,T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ is equal to ${1,2,dots,n}$, and a tree on ${1,2,dots,n}$ contains all of the $T_i$ if and only if it contains $T_1=T$, since any tree will trivially contain all of the trees $T_2,T_3,dots,T_{n-k+1}$. Using the theorem, you will get $kn^{n-k-1}$.
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Is $T$ a tree with each vertex being a subtree?
No quite; $T$ is a tree with vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
Are there $k$ subtrees in the forest?
For each forest $F$ counted by $F(n,k)$, there are $k$ components, and each component is a subtree. However, there are more subtrees. For example, in the below forest, counted by $F(5,2)$, 1 - 3
is a subtree:
1 - 3 - 4
2 - 5
How many vertices are there in a subtree?
Each component in $F$ can have between $1$ and $n-k+1$ vertices.
How does this relate numerically to the previous exercise?
It does not.
Let $T$ be any tree on the vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$; for example, you could just have $T$ be the line $1-2-dots-k$. The idea is that, if $F$ is a forest counted by $F(n,k)$, then adding the edges of $T$ to $F$ results in a new tree with vertices ${1,2,dots,n}$, let's call it $T'$, which contains $T$. Conversely, given any tree $T'$ which contains $T$, removing the edges in $T$ results in a forest with $k$ components such that ${1,2,dots,k}$ are in different components. This bijection shows that $F(n,k)$ is equal to the number of trees containing $T$.
How do we use the previous exercise to count trees on ${1,2,dots,n}$ containing $T$? Define $T_1, T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ as follows:
$T_1$ is the tree $T$ on vertex set ${1,2,dots,k}$.
$T_2$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+1}$.
$T_3$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${k+2}$.
$vdots$
$T_{n-k+1}$ is a tree with no edges on the vertex set ${n}$.
Note that the union of the vertex sets for $T_1,T_2,dots,T_{n-k+1}$ is equal to ${1,2,dots,n}$, and a tree on ${1,2,dots,n}$ contains all of the $T_i$ if and only if it contains $T_1=T$, since any tree will trivially contain all of the trees $T_2,T_3,dots,T_{n-k+1}$. Using the theorem, you will get $kn^{n-k-1}$.
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@ThomasLesgourgues That's what I was thought, but then how do I compute with the previous result the total number of forests?
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:46
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@ThomasLesgourgues The professor doesn't properly define what $T$ is, but it appears to be the tree created in such a way that it goes through only one vertices of each tree of the forest. So by creating a path that goes through $v _ { 1 } , dots , v _ { k }$ we are linking all the trees without creating any cycle, so we get at the $T$, a tree linking all the trees.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 16:54
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@ThomasLesgourgues I think it makes sense that $|V(T)|$ is equal to $n$ since $T$ is linking all of the $n$ vertices among every $T_i$.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:09
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That was actually my question in the main problem, $T$ has size $k$, not $n$. $T$ is not the forest plus some edges, $T$ is only built from the additionnal edges, so that $T$ plus the forest in the total tree. But in Previous problem I don't know if the definition of $T$ is the same. Could you clear this issue on definition, and then deletes these comments? they will be useless
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– Thomas Lesgourgues
Jan 18 at 17:12
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link Here is the solution of Previous problem. As you can see the professor doesn't precise what $T$ is. You are right $T$ has size $k$ but then I am getting even more confused how the formula applies.
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– NotAbelianGroup
Jan 18 at 17:16