$f+f'+f''geq0$,Prove the $f$ has a lower bound
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Let $fin C^2(a,b)$ such that $f+f'+f''geq0$
Prove that $f$ has a lower bound.
$Myquad Attempt$
$1.quad$Suppose that $f$ has no lower bound at x=b,so there is a sequence${x_n}$,which converges to b($lim_{ntoinfty}{x_n}=b$),and $f'(x_n)<0,f(x_n)<-n$
$2.quadforall kin mathbb N,exists Ninmathbb N,n>N,x_n>x_k$,then prove that $$int_{{x|xin(x_k,x_n)land f(x)>0}}{}f^2(x)dxleq C$$
$3.quad$Prove: $$0leqint_{x_k}^{x_n}{(f+f'+f'')}dxleq0+f(x_k)-f(x_n)+Cto-infty$$
$quadquadquadquadquadquadquad$This contradicts the problem
So that's my idea,but I can't do it from step 2.And my idea might be wrong.
Edit in 2019/2/16
I solve the question that if $q=0$.There is some Chinese characters in my answer.I hope it doesn't bother you
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Let $fin C^2(a,b)$ such that $f+f'+f''geq0$
Prove that $f$ has a lower bound.
$Myquad Attempt$
$1.quad$Suppose that $f$ has no lower bound at x=b,so there is a sequence${x_n}$,which converges to b($lim_{ntoinfty}{x_n}=b$),and $f'(x_n)<0,f(x_n)<-n$
$2.quadforall kin mathbb N,exists Ninmathbb N,n>N,x_n>x_k$,then prove that $$int_{{x|xin(x_k,x_n)land f(x)>0}}{}f^2(x)dxleq C$$
$3.quad$Prove: $$0leqint_{x_k}^{x_n}{(f+f'+f'')}dxleq0+f(x_k)-f(x_n)+Cto-infty$$
$quadquadquadquadquadquadquad$This contradicts the problem
So that's my idea,but I can't do it from step 2.And my idea might be wrong.
Edit in 2019/2/16
I solve the question that if $q=0$.There is some Chinese characters in my answer.I hope it doesn't bother you
real-analysis contest-math
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I'm the question writer.I'm sorry,the question should prove the function has a lower bound
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 3:09
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Please then edit your question to say this; otherwise, you confuse folks (like Yours Truly for example). Cheers!
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– Robert Lewis
Jan 20 at 3:29
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Please put what you have tried in the question body with an edit.
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– YiFan
Jan 20 at 3:33
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For these type of questions, it seems like multiplying by $e^{ax}$ for some magic value of $a$ seems to work.
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– marty cohen
Jan 20 at 6:25
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$f+f'+f''leq0$,if$f'leq0$,$f+f'+f''leq-(f')^2leq0$,so $[f^2+f'^2]'leq0$,this might be a useful function,I saw a similar problem using this function
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Jan 20 at 7:46
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Let $fin C^2(a,b)$ such that $f+f'+f''geq0$
Prove that $f$ has a lower bound.
$Myquad Attempt$
$1.quad$Suppose that $f$ has no lower bound at x=b,so there is a sequence${x_n}$,which converges to b($lim_{ntoinfty}{x_n}=b$),and $f'(x_n)<0,f(x_n)<-n$
$2.quadforall kin mathbb N,exists Ninmathbb N,n>N,x_n>x_k$,then prove that $$int_{{x|xin(x_k,x_n)land f(x)>0}}{}f^2(x)dxleq C$$
$3.quad$Prove: $$0leqint_{x_k}^{x_n}{(f+f'+f'')}dxleq0+f(x_k)-f(x_n)+Cto-infty$$
$quadquadquadquadquadquadquad$This contradicts the problem
So that's my idea,but I can't do it from step 2.And my idea might be wrong.
Edit in 2019/2/16
I solve the question that if $q=0$.There is some Chinese characters in my answer.I hope it doesn't bother you
real-analysis contest-math
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Let $fin C^2(a,b)$ such that $f+f'+f''geq0$
Prove that $f$ has a lower bound.
$Myquad Attempt$
$1.quad$Suppose that $f$ has no lower bound at x=b,so there is a sequence${x_n}$,which converges to b($lim_{ntoinfty}{x_n}=b$),and $f'(x_n)<0,f(x_n)<-n$
$2.quadforall kin mathbb N,exists Ninmathbb N,n>N,x_n>x_k$,then prove that $$int_{{x|xin(x_k,x_n)land f(x)>0}}{}f^2(x)dxleq C$$
$3.quad$Prove: $$0leqint_{x_k}^{x_n}{(f+f'+f'')}dxleq0+f(x_k)-f(x_n)+Cto-infty$$
$quadquadquadquadquadquadquad$This contradicts the problem
So that's my idea,but I can't do it from step 2.And my idea might be wrong.
Edit in 2019/2/16
I solve the question that if $q=0$.There is some Chinese characters in my answer.I hope it doesn't bother you
real-analysis contest-math
real-analysis contest-math
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I'm the question writer.I'm sorry,the question should prove the function has a lower bound
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 3:09
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Please then edit your question to say this; otherwise, you confuse folks (like Yours Truly for example). Cheers!
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– Robert Lewis
Jan 20 at 3:29
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Please put what you have tried in the question body with an edit.
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– YiFan
Jan 20 at 3:33
1
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For these type of questions, it seems like multiplying by $e^{ax}$ for some magic value of $a$ seems to work.
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– marty cohen
Jan 20 at 6:25
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$f+f'+f''leq0$,if$f'leq0$,$f+f'+f''leq-(f')^2leq0$,so $[f^2+f'^2]'leq0$,this might be a useful function,I saw a similar problem using this function
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Jan 20 at 7:46
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I'm the question writer.I'm sorry,the question should prove the function has a lower bound
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 3:09
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Please then edit your question to say this; otherwise, you confuse folks (like Yours Truly for example). Cheers!
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– Robert Lewis
Jan 20 at 3:29
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Please put what you have tried in the question body with an edit.
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– YiFan
Jan 20 at 3:33
1
$begingroup$
For these type of questions, it seems like multiplying by $e^{ax}$ for some magic value of $a$ seems to work.
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– marty cohen
Jan 20 at 6:25
$begingroup$
$f+f'+f''leq0$,if$f'leq0$,$f+f'+f''leq-(f')^2leq0$,so $[f^2+f'^2]'leq0$,this might be a useful function,I saw a similar problem using this function
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 7:46
1
1
$begingroup$
I'm the question writer.I'm sorry,the question should prove the function has a lower bound
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 3:09
$begingroup$
I'm the question writer.I'm sorry,the question should prove the function has a lower bound
$endgroup$
– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 3:09
$begingroup$
Please then edit your question to say this; otherwise, you confuse folks (like Yours Truly for example). Cheers!
$endgroup$
– Robert Lewis
Jan 20 at 3:29
$begingroup$
Please then edit your question to say this; otherwise, you confuse folks (like Yours Truly for example). Cheers!
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– Robert Lewis
Jan 20 at 3:29
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Please put what you have tried in the question body with an edit.
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– YiFan
Jan 20 at 3:33
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Please put what you have tried in the question body with an edit.
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– YiFan
Jan 20 at 3:33
1
1
$begingroup$
For these type of questions, it seems like multiplying by $e^{ax}$ for some magic value of $a$ seems to work.
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– marty cohen
Jan 20 at 6:25
$begingroup$
For these type of questions, it seems like multiplying by $e^{ax}$ for some magic value of $a$ seems to work.
$endgroup$
– marty cohen
Jan 20 at 6:25
$begingroup$
$f+f'+f''leq0$,if$f'leq0$,$f+f'+f''leq-(f')^2leq0$,so $[f^2+f'^2]'leq0$,this might be a useful function,I saw a similar problem using this function
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 7:46
$begingroup$
$f+f'+f''leq0$,if$f'leq0$,$f+f'+f''leq-(f')^2leq0$,so $[f^2+f'^2]'leq0$,this might be a useful function,I saw a similar problem using this function
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Lemma. Given $a<b,$ any $gin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $g''+ggeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. We can apply (basically) the Picone identity, i.e. the derivative of a Wronskian. Specifically, for $s,t$ satisfying $max(a,b-pi)<t<s<b$ define $h_s(t)=g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s).$ Then
$$h'_s(t)=(g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s))'=-(g(t)+g''(t))sin(t-s)geq 0$$
because $sin(t-s)<0.$ So
$$g(s)=h_s(s)geq h_s(t)geq -|g(t)|-|g'(t)|.$$
Picking any $max(a,b-pi)<t<b,$ this shows that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$
The function $Gin C^2(a,b)$ defined by $G(x)=g(a+b-x)$ satisfies
$$G''(t)+G(t)=g''(a+b-t)+g(a+b-t)geq 0.$$
So the same argument shows that $G$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ This means $g$ is bounded below on $(a,a+b-t),$ and we previously showed that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ By continuity $g$ is bounded below on the whole interval $(a,b).$
Corollary. Given $a<b,$ any $fin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $f''+f'+fgeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. The transformation $g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)$ gives
$$g''(t)+g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}(tfrac{4}{3}f''(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f'(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t))geq 0$$
for $a<tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t<b.$ The function $g$ therefore satisfies $g''+ggeq 0$ on $(tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ By the lemma, there exists a real number $C$ such that $g(t)geq C$ for all $tin (tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ Therefore
$$f(t)=e^{t/2}g(tfrac{sqrt3}2t)geq e^{a/2}C.$$
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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Proof: Let $F(x) = e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)$,then
$$begin{align}frac{3}{4}F(x)+F''(x) &=frac{3}{4} e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)+e^{frac{x}{2}}(frac{1}{4}f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &=e^{frac{x}{2}}(f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &geq0 end{align}$$
(1) $F(x)<0,forall xin(a,b).$
$F''(x)geq -F(x)geq 0$, so $F(x)$ is convex function. Picking any $x_0in(a,b)$,we have
$$F(x)geq F(x_0)+F'(x_0)(x-x_0),quadquadquadquadforall xin(a,b).$$
(2) $exists x_0in(a,b),F(x_0)geq0$
We suppose that there's $n$ zero points in $(a,b)$ at most, and $2leq n<infty$.
For $0leq nleq 1$ , we assume that $F(x)<0 ,xin(a,x_0),F(x)geq 0,xin[x_0,b),$
In $(a,x_0)$, we know that $F(x)$ has a lower bound from 1
In $[x_0,b)$, $F(x) $ has a lower bound obviously.
So we get $ngeq2$, $exists alpha,betain(a,b),F(alpha)=F(beta)=0$, and
$$F(x)geq 0, quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(alpha,beta).$$
Let $gammain(alpha,beta)$ is absolute maximum point of $F(x)$ in $[alpha,beta]$, then for $t>gamma,F''(t)leq0$.
Then $exists sin[gamma,t],F'(s)=0$,
$$F'(x)<0,quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(s,t)$$
So $|F'(x)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2$ is monotone decreasing in $[s,t]$ ,then
$$begin{align}F'(x)&geq-sqrt{|F'(s)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(s)|^2-frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2}\ &=-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(s)|^2-|F(x)|^2}\ &geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin(s,t) end{align}$$
We get,
$$F'(x)geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin[gamma,beta]$$
that is, $arcsinfrac{F'(x)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x $ is monotone increasing in $[gamma,beta]$, then
$$
frac{3beta}{4}=arcsinfrac{F'(beta)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}xgeq arcsinfrac{F'(gamma)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x=frac{pi}{2}+frac{3gamma}{4}
$$
which implies $beta-alphageqbeta-gammageqfrac{2pi}{3}$, we get $2leq n<infty$
If $F(x)$ doesn't have a lower bound in $[x_0,b)$, $exists x_1>x_0,F'(x_1)=0$, and $F(x)<0,xin[x_1,b)$,
$$F(x)geq F'(x_1)(x-x_1),quad quadforall xin[x_1,b).$$
We get contradictions from the above formula.So $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$[x_0,b)$.
We can prove that $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$(a,x_0]$ by the same way.
Obviously, $f(x)$ has a lower pound in $(a,b)$.
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Lemma. Given $a<b,$ any $gin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $g''+ggeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. We can apply (basically) the Picone identity, i.e. the derivative of a Wronskian. Specifically, for $s,t$ satisfying $max(a,b-pi)<t<s<b$ define $h_s(t)=g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s).$ Then
$$h'_s(t)=(g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s))'=-(g(t)+g''(t))sin(t-s)geq 0$$
because $sin(t-s)<0.$ So
$$g(s)=h_s(s)geq h_s(t)geq -|g(t)|-|g'(t)|.$$
Picking any $max(a,b-pi)<t<b,$ this shows that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$
The function $Gin C^2(a,b)$ defined by $G(x)=g(a+b-x)$ satisfies
$$G''(t)+G(t)=g''(a+b-t)+g(a+b-t)geq 0.$$
So the same argument shows that $G$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ This means $g$ is bounded below on $(a,a+b-t),$ and we previously showed that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ By continuity $g$ is bounded below on the whole interval $(a,b).$
Corollary. Given $a<b,$ any $fin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $f''+f'+fgeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. The transformation $g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)$ gives
$$g''(t)+g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}(tfrac{4}{3}f''(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f'(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t))geq 0$$
for $a<tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t<b.$ The function $g$ therefore satisfies $g''+ggeq 0$ on $(tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ By the lemma, there exists a real number $C$ such that $g(t)geq C$ for all $tin (tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ Therefore
$$f(t)=e^{t/2}g(tfrac{sqrt3}2t)geq e^{a/2}C.$$
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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– Dap
Feb 18 at 6:43
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Lemma. Given $a<b,$ any $gin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $g''+ggeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. We can apply (basically) the Picone identity, i.e. the derivative of a Wronskian. Specifically, for $s,t$ satisfying $max(a,b-pi)<t<s<b$ define $h_s(t)=g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s).$ Then
$$h'_s(t)=(g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s))'=-(g(t)+g''(t))sin(t-s)geq 0$$
because $sin(t-s)<0.$ So
$$g(s)=h_s(s)geq h_s(t)geq -|g(t)|-|g'(t)|.$$
Picking any $max(a,b-pi)<t<b,$ this shows that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$
The function $Gin C^2(a,b)$ defined by $G(x)=g(a+b-x)$ satisfies
$$G''(t)+G(t)=g''(a+b-t)+g(a+b-t)geq 0.$$
So the same argument shows that $G$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ This means $g$ is bounded below on $(a,a+b-t),$ and we previously showed that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ By continuity $g$ is bounded below on the whole interval $(a,b).$
Corollary. Given $a<b,$ any $fin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $f''+f'+fgeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. The transformation $g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)$ gives
$$g''(t)+g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}(tfrac{4}{3}f''(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f'(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t))geq 0$$
for $a<tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t<b.$ The function $g$ therefore satisfies $g''+ggeq 0$ on $(tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ By the lemma, there exists a real number $C$ such that $g(t)geq C$ for all $tin (tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ Therefore
$$f(t)=e^{t/2}g(tfrac{sqrt3}2t)geq e^{a/2}C.$$
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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– Dap
Feb 18 at 6:43
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$begingroup$
Lemma. Given $a<b,$ any $gin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $g''+ggeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. We can apply (basically) the Picone identity, i.e. the derivative of a Wronskian. Specifically, for $s,t$ satisfying $max(a,b-pi)<t<s<b$ define $h_s(t)=g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s).$ Then
$$h'_s(t)=(g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s))'=-(g(t)+g''(t))sin(t-s)geq 0$$
because $sin(t-s)<0.$ So
$$g(s)=h_s(s)geq h_s(t)geq -|g(t)|-|g'(t)|.$$
Picking any $max(a,b-pi)<t<b,$ this shows that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$
The function $Gin C^2(a,b)$ defined by $G(x)=g(a+b-x)$ satisfies
$$G''(t)+G(t)=g''(a+b-t)+g(a+b-t)geq 0.$$
So the same argument shows that $G$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ This means $g$ is bounded below on $(a,a+b-t),$ and we previously showed that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ By continuity $g$ is bounded below on the whole interval $(a,b).$
Corollary. Given $a<b,$ any $fin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $f''+f'+fgeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. The transformation $g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)$ gives
$$g''(t)+g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}(tfrac{4}{3}f''(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f'(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t))geq 0$$
for $a<tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t<b.$ The function $g$ therefore satisfies $g''+ggeq 0$ on $(tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ By the lemma, there exists a real number $C$ such that $g(t)geq C$ for all $tin (tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ Therefore
$$f(t)=e^{t/2}g(tfrac{sqrt3}2t)geq e^{a/2}C.$$
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Lemma. Given $a<b,$ any $gin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $g''+ggeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. We can apply (basically) the Picone identity, i.e. the derivative of a Wronskian. Specifically, for $s,t$ satisfying $max(a,b-pi)<t<s<b$ define $h_s(t)=g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s).$ Then
$$h'_s(t)=(g(t)cos(t-s)-g'(t)sin(t-s))'=-(g(t)+g''(t))sin(t-s)geq 0$$
because $sin(t-s)<0.$ So
$$g(s)=h_s(s)geq h_s(t)geq -|g(t)|-|g'(t)|.$$
Picking any $max(a,b-pi)<t<b,$ this shows that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$
The function $Gin C^2(a,b)$ defined by $G(x)=g(a+b-x)$ satisfies
$$G''(t)+G(t)=g''(a+b-t)+g(a+b-t)geq 0.$$
So the same argument shows that $G$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ This means $g$ is bounded below on $(a,a+b-t),$ and we previously showed that $g$ is bounded below on $(t,b).$ By continuity $g$ is bounded below on the whole interval $(a,b).$
Corollary. Given $a<b,$ any $fin C^2(a,b)$ satisfying $f''+f'+fgeq 0$ is bounded below.
Proof. The transformation $g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)$ gives
$$g''(t)+g(t)=e^{t/sqrt 3}(tfrac{4}{3}f''(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f'(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t)+tfrac{4}{3}f(tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t))geq 0$$
for $a<tfrac{2}{sqrt 3}t<b.$ The function $g$ therefore satisfies $g''+ggeq 0$ on $(tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ By the lemma, there exists a real number $C$ such that $g(t)geq C$ for all $tin (tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}a,tfrac{sqrt 3}{2}b).$ Therefore
$$f(t)=e^{t/2}g(tfrac{sqrt3}2t)geq e^{a/2}C.$$
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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– Dap
Feb 18 at 6:43
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@Dap Your auxiliary function $h_{s}$ is like a stroke of genius to me. :) Could you give me some references about how to apply this Picone identity?
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– Eric Yau
Feb 16 at 7:48
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@EricYau: this is a variant of the Sturm comparison theorem. The most general statement I know is "New comparison theorems in Riemannian geometry" by Y. Han and coauthors, Theorem 6.1.
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– Dap
Feb 16 at 10:13
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap But for $(a,t)$,does $f$ has a lower bound?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 16 at 12:06
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@Dap the $g(x)$ is bounded and $f(x)$ is bounded are equivalent?But I still don't think your proof can prove $f$ has a lower bound in$ (a,b)? Could you please write more detail?
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– LiTaichi
Feb 17 at 2:31
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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– Dap
Feb 18 at 6:43
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@梦里年华似烟花: ok, I've added some detail and made the structure of the argument explicit
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– Dap
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Proof: Let $F(x) = e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)$,then
$$begin{align}frac{3}{4}F(x)+F''(x) &=frac{3}{4} e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)+e^{frac{x}{2}}(frac{1}{4}f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &=e^{frac{x}{2}}(f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &geq0 end{align}$$
(1) $F(x)<0,forall xin(a,b).$
$F''(x)geq -F(x)geq 0$, so $F(x)$ is convex function. Picking any $x_0in(a,b)$,we have
$$F(x)geq F(x_0)+F'(x_0)(x-x_0),quadquadquadquadforall xin(a,b).$$
(2) $exists x_0in(a,b),F(x_0)geq0$
We suppose that there's $n$ zero points in $(a,b)$ at most, and $2leq n<infty$.
For $0leq nleq 1$ , we assume that $F(x)<0 ,xin(a,x_0),F(x)geq 0,xin[x_0,b),$
In $(a,x_0)$, we know that $F(x)$ has a lower bound from 1
In $[x_0,b)$, $F(x) $ has a lower bound obviously.
So we get $ngeq2$, $exists alpha,betain(a,b),F(alpha)=F(beta)=0$, and
$$F(x)geq 0, quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(alpha,beta).$$
Let $gammain(alpha,beta)$ is absolute maximum point of $F(x)$ in $[alpha,beta]$, then for $t>gamma,F''(t)leq0$.
Then $exists sin[gamma,t],F'(s)=0$,
$$F'(x)<0,quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(s,t)$$
So $|F'(x)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2$ is monotone decreasing in $[s,t]$ ,then
$$begin{align}F'(x)&geq-sqrt{|F'(s)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(s)|^2-frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2}\ &=-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(s)|^2-|F(x)|^2}\ &geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin(s,t) end{align}$$
We get,
$$F'(x)geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin[gamma,beta]$$
that is, $arcsinfrac{F'(x)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x $ is monotone increasing in $[gamma,beta]$, then
$$
frac{3beta}{4}=arcsinfrac{F'(beta)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}xgeq arcsinfrac{F'(gamma)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x=frac{pi}{2}+frac{3gamma}{4}
$$
which implies $beta-alphageqbeta-gammageqfrac{2pi}{3}$, we get $2leq n<infty$
If $F(x)$ doesn't have a lower bound in $[x_0,b)$, $exists x_1>x_0,F'(x_1)=0$, and $F(x)<0,xin[x_1,b)$,
$$F(x)geq F'(x_1)(x-x_1),quad quadforall xin[x_1,b).$$
We get contradictions from the above formula.So $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$[x_0,b)$.
We can prove that $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$(a,x_0]$ by the same way.
Obviously, $f(x)$ has a lower pound in $(a,b)$.
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Proof: Let $F(x) = e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)$,then
$$begin{align}frac{3}{4}F(x)+F''(x) &=frac{3}{4} e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)+e^{frac{x}{2}}(frac{1}{4}f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &=e^{frac{x}{2}}(f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &geq0 end{align}$$
(1) $F(x)<0,forall xin(a,b).$
$F''(x)geq -F(x)geq 0$, so $F(x)$ is convex function. Picking any $x_0in(a,b)$,we have
$$F(x)geq F(x_0)+F'(x_0)(x-x_0),quadquadquadquadforall xin(a,b).$$
(2) $exists x_0in(a,b),F(x_0)geq0$
We suppose that there's $n$ zero points in $(a,b)$ at most, and $2leq n<infty$.
For $0leq nleq 1$ , we assume that $F(x)<0 ,xin(a,x_0),F(x)geq 0,xin[x_0,b),$
In $(a,x_0)$, we know that $F(x)$ has a lower bound from 1
In $[x_0,b)$, $F(x) $ has a lower bound obviously.
So we get $ngeq2$, $exists alpha,betain(a,b),F(alpha)=F(beta)=0$, and
$$F(x)geq 0, quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(alpha,beta).$$
Let $gammain(alpha,beta)$ is absolute maximum point of $F(x)$ in $[alpha,beta]$, then for $t>gamma,F''(t)leq0$.
Then $exists sin[gamma,t],F'(s)=0$,
$$F'(x)<0,quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(s,t)$$
So $|F'(x)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2$ is monotone decreasing in $[s,t]$ ,then
$$begin{align}F'(x)&geq-sqrt{|F'(s)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(s)|^2-frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2}\ &=-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(s)|^2-|F(x)|^2}\ &geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin(s,t) end{align}$$
We get,
$$F'(x)geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin[gamma,beta]$$
that is, $arcsinfrac{F'(x)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x $ is monotone increasing in $[gamma,beta]$, then
$$
frac{3beta}{4}=arcsinfrac{F'(beta)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}xgeq arcsinfrac{F'(gamma)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x=frac{pi}{2}+frac{3gamma}{4}
$$
which implies $beta-alphageqbeta-gammageqfrac{2pi}{3}$, we get $2leq n<infty$
If $F(x)$ doesn't have a lower bound in $[x_0,b)$, $exists x_1>x_0,F'(x_1)=0$, and $F(x)<0,xin[x_1,b)$,
$$F(x)geq F'(x_1)(x-x_1),quad quadforall xin[x_1,b).$$
We get contradictions from the above formula.So $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$[x_0,b)$.
We can prove that $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$(a,x_0]$ by the same way.
Obviously, $f(x)$ has a lower pound in $(a,b)$.
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Proof: Let $F(x) = e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)$,then
$$begin{align}frac{3}{4}F(x)+F''(x) &=frac{3}{4} e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)+e^{frac{x}{2}}(frac{1}{4}f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &=e^{frac{x}{2}}(f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &geq0 end{align}$$
(1) $F(x)<0,forall xin(a,b).$
$F''(x)geq -F(x)geq 0$, so $F(x)$ is convex function. Picking any $x_0in(a,b)$,we have
$$F(x)geq F(x_0)+F'(x_0)(x-x_0),quadquadquadquadforall xin(a,b).$$
(2) $exists x_0in(a,b),F(x_0)geq0$
We suppose that there's $n$ zero points in $(a,b)$ at most, and $2leq n<infty$.
For $0leq nleq 1$ , we assume that $F(x)<0 ,xin(a,x_0),F(x)geq 0,xin[x_0,b),$
In $(a,x_0)$, we know that $F(x)$ has a lower bound from 1
In $[x_0,b)$, $F(x) $ has a lower bound obviously.
So we get $ngeq2$, $exists alpha,betain(a,b),F(alpha)=F(beta)=0$, and
$$F(x)geq 0, quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(alpha,beta).$$
Let $gammain(alpha,beta)$ is absolute maximum point of $F(x)$ in $[alpha,beta]$, then for $t>gamma,F''(t)leq0$.
Then $exists sin[gamma,t],F'(s)=0$,
$$F'(x)<0,quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(s,t)$$
So $|F'(x)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2$ is monotone decreasing in $[s,t]$ ,then
$$begin{align}F'(x)&geq-sqrt{|F'(s)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(s)|^2-frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2}\ &=-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(s)|^2-|F(x)|^2}\ &geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin(s,t) end{align}$$
We get,
$$F'(x)geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin[gamma,beta]$$
that is, $arcsinfrac{F'(x)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x $ is monotone increasing in $[gamma,beta]$, then
$$
frac{3beta}{4}=arcsinfrac{F'(beta)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}xgeq arcsinfrac{F'(gamma)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x=frac{pi}{2}+frac{3gamma}{4}
$$
which implies $beta-alphageqbeta-gammageqfrac{2pi}{3}$, we get $2leq n<infty$
If $F(x)$ doesn't have a lower bound in $[x_0,b)$, $exists x_1>x_0,F'(x_1)=0$, and $F(x)<0,xin[x_1,b)$,
$$F(x)geq F'(x_1)(x-x_1),quad quadforall xin[x_1,b).$$
We get contradictions from the above formula.So $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$[x_0,b)$.
We can prove that $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$(a,x_0]$ by the same way.
Obviously, $f(x)$ has a lower pound in $(a,b)$.
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Proof: Let $F(x) = e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)$,then
$$begin{align}frac{3}{4}F(x)+F''(x) &=frac{3}{4} e^{frac{x}{2}}f(x)+e^{frac{x}{2}}(frac{1}{4}f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &=e^{frac{x}{2}}(f(x)+f'(x)+f''(x))\ &geq0 end{align}$$
(1) $F(x)<0,forall xin(a,b).$
$F''(x)geq -F(x)geq 0$, so $F(x)$ is convex function. Picking any $x_0in(a,b)$,we have
$$F(x)geq F(x_0)+F'(x_0)(x-x_0),quadquadquadquadforall xin(a,b).$$
(2) $exists x_0in(a,b),F(x_0)geq0$
We suppose that there's $n$ zero points in $(a,b)$ at most, and $2leq n<infty$.
For $0leq nleq 1$ , we assume that $F(x)<0 ,xin(a,x_0),F(x)geq 0,xin[x_0,b),$
In $(a,x_0)$, we know that $F(x)$ has a lower bound from 1
In $[x_0,b)$, $F(x) $ has a lower bound obviously.
So we get $ngeq2$, $exists alpha,betain(a,b),F(alpha)=F(beta)=0$, and
$$F(x)geq 0, quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(alpha,beta).$$
Let $gammain(alpha,beta)$ is absolute maximum point of $F(x)$ in $[alpha,beta]$, then for $t>gamma,F''(t)leq0$.
Then $exists sin[gamma,t],F'(s)=0$,
$$F'(x)<0,quad quadquadquadquadquad xin(s,t)$$
So $|F'(x)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2$ is monotone decreasing in $[s,t]$ ,then
$$begin{align}F'(x)&geq-sqrt{|F'(s)|^2+frac{3}{4}|F(s)|^2-frac{3}{4}|F(x)|^2}\ &=-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(s)|^2-|F(x)|^2}\ &geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin(s,t) end{align}$$
We get,
$$F'(x)geq-frac{3}{4}sqrt{|F(gamma)|^2-|F(x)|^2},quad xin[gamma,beta]$$
that is, $arcsinfrac{F'(x)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x $ is monotone increasing in $[gamma,beta]$, then
$$
frac{3beta}{4}=arcsinfrac{F'(beta)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}xgeq arcsinfrac{F'(gamma)}{F'(gamma)}+frac{3}{4}x=frac{pi}{2}+frac{3gamma}{4}
$$
which implies $beta-alphageqbeta-gammageqfrac{2pi}{3}$, we get $2leq n<infty$
If $F(x)$ doesn't have a lower bound in $[x_0,b)$, $exists x_1>x_0,F'(x_1)=0$, and $F(x)<0,xin[x_1,b)$,
$$F(x)geq F'(x_1)(x-x_1),quad quadforall xin[x_1,b).$$
We get contradictions from the above formula.So $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$[x_0,b)$.
We can prove that $F(x)$ has a lower bound in$(a,x_0]$ by the same way.
Obviously, $f(x)$ has a lower pound in $(a,b)$.
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I'm the question writer.I'm sorry,the question should prove the function has a lower bound
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 3:09
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Please then edit your question to say this; otherwise, you confuse folks (like Yours Truly for example). Cheers!
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– Robert Lewis
Jan 20 at 3:29
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Please put what you have tried in the question body with an edit.
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– YiFan
Jan 20 at 3:33
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For these type of questions, it seems like multiplying by $e^{ax}$ for some magic value of $a$ seems to work.
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– marty cohen
Jan 20 at 6:25
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$f+f'+f''leq0$,if$f'leq0$,$f+f'+f''leq-(f')^2leq0$,so $[f^2+f'^2]'leq0$,this might be a useful function,I saw a similar problem using this function
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– LiTaichi
Jan 20 at 7:46