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How would a long term investor go about evaluating the prospect of investing in a bond ETF vs a long position in a future of equal duration?
- Let’s asume this investment is in a taxable account.
- Let’s asume we are looking at a 2year duration (for simplicity)
- How can we estimate if the two options are roughly equivalent or one better than the other?
- Is this a shifting relationship?
Thanks
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How would a long term investor go about evaluating the prospect of investing in a bond ETF vs a long position in a future of equal duration?
- Let’s asume this investment is in a taxable account.
- Let’s asume we are looking at a 2year duration (for simplicity)
- How can we estimate if the two options are roughly equivalent or one better than the other?
- Is this a shifting relationship?
Thanks
fixed-income interest-rates futures bond-futures
asked Jan 23 at 17:32
Camilo AvellaCamilo Avella
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A bond ETF is a physical investment of cash to purchase the fund, assuming you have cash to invest. A long position in a future requires no cash outlay (other than margin). What will the (rest of the) cash be doing in the case of buying futures then?
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– Attack68
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@Attack68 Potentially equities or some active strategies. But leveraging the bond position is also an alternative. C
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– Camilo Avella
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So with that answer you have entirely opened up the scope of your question. Your are now comparing an invested bond EFT portfolio with the performance of an Equity invested portfolio that happens to have leveraged exposure to bond markets via futures. This is an entirely different question without an unpredjudiced answer. @Helin s answer, in my opinion, is best and both reiterates my comments here and is justifiably vague, yet informative.
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– Attack68
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How would a long term investor go about evaluating the prospect of investing in a bond ETF vs a long position in a future of equal duration?
- Let’s asume this investment is in a taxable account.
- Let’s asume we are looking at a 2year duration (for simplicity)
- How can we estimate if the two options are roughly equivalent or one better than the other?
- Is this a shifting relationship?
Thanks
fixed-income interest-rates futures bond-futures
asked Jan 23 at 17:32
Camilo AvellaCamilo Avella
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How would a long term investor go about evaluating the prospect of investing in a bond ETF vs a long position in a future of equal duration?
- Let’s asume this investment is in a taxable account.
- Let’s asume we are looking at a 2year duration (for simplicity)
- How can we estimate if the two options are roughly equivalent or one better than the other?
- Is this a shifting relationship?
Thanks
fixed-income interest-rates futures bond-futures
fixed-income interest-rates futures bond-futures
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Camilo AvellaCamilo Avella
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asked Jan 23 at 17:32
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A bond ETF is a physical investment of cash to purchase the fund, assuming you have cash to invest. A long position in a future requires no cash outlay (other than margin). What will the (rest of the) cash be doing in the case of buying futures then?
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– Attack68
Jan 23 at 21:19
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@Attack68 Potentially equities or some active strategies. But leveraging the bond position is also an alternative. C
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 24 at 1:26
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So with that answer you have entirely opened up the scope of your question. Your are now comparing an invested bond EFT portfolio with the performance of an Equity invested portfolio that happens to have leveraged exposure to bond markets via futures. This is an entirely different question without an unpredjudiced answer. @Helin s answer, in my opinion, is best and both reiterates my comments here and is justifiably vague, yet informative.
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– Attack68
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A bond ETF is a physical investment of cash to purchase the fund, assuming you have cash to invest. A long position in a future requires no cash outlay (other than margin). What will the (rest of the) cash be doing in the case of buying futures then?
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– Attack68
Jan 23 at 21:19
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@Attack68 Potentially equities or some active strategies. But leveraging the bond position is also an alternative. C
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 24 at 1:26
1
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So with that answer you have entirely opened up the scope of your question. Your are now comparing an invested bond EFT portfolio with the performance of an Equity invested portfolio that happens to have leveraged exposure to bond markets via futures. This is an entirely different question without an unpredjudiced answer. @Helin s answer, in my opinion, is best and both reiterates my comments here and is justifiably vague, yet informative.
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– Attack68
Jan 24 at 11:17
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A bond ETF is a physical investment of cash to purchase the fund, assuming you have cash to invest. A long position in a future requires no cash outlay (other than margin). What will the (rest of the) cash be doing in the case of buying futures then?
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– Attack68
Jan 23 at 21:19
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A bond ETF is a physical investment of cash to purchase the fund, assuming you have cash to invest. A long position in a future requires no cash outlay (other than margin). What will the (rest of the) cash be doing in the case of buying futures then?
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– Attack68
Jan 23 at 21:19
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@Attack68 Potentially equities or some active strategies. But leveraging the bond position is also an alternative. C
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 24 at 1:26
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@Attack68 Potentially equities or some active strategies. But leveraging the bond position is also an alternative. C
$endgroup$
– Camilo Avella
Jan 24 at 1:26
1
1
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So with that answer you have entirely opened up the scope of your question. Your are now comparing an invested bond EFT portfolio with the performance of an Equity invested portfolio that happens to have leveraged exposure to bond markets via futures. This is an entirely different question without an unpredjudiced answer. @Helin s answer, in my opinion, is best and both reiterates my comments here and is justifiably vague, yet informative.
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– Attack68
Jan 24 at 11:17
$begingroup$
So with that answer you have entirely opened up the scope of your question. Your are now comparing an invested bond EFT portfolio with the performance of an Equity invested portfolio that happens to have leveraged exposure to bond markets via futures. This is an entirely different question without an unpredjudiced answer. @Helin s answer, in my opinion, is best and both reiterates my comments here and is justifiably vague, yet informative.
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– Attack68
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This is a surprisingly complicated question that encompasses many moving parts. Without knowing exactly what your objectives are, it's a bit difficult to offer concrete advice, so I'll provide some general comments below.
Mechanically, you earn the total return when you buy and hold a real bond or a bond ETF. By contrast, bond futures are financed instruments, so you earn the excess return (total return MINUS financing cost). So all else equal, futures will ALWAYS perform worse than a bond, because of the drag from the financing cost (unless the financing rate is negative, which is happening in some parts of the world). This may sound bad for futures, but it's actually really easy to address. When you buy futures, you save a lot of cash since the margin requirement is minimal; if you invest that cash and earn a return on it, and attribute the return back to the futures, you're basically back to earning the full total return again. This is known as "fully collateralizing" your futures. The question is, will the return you earn on cash be enough to offset futures' implied financing costs? If you're an institutional investor that's active in the repo market or can access enhanced cash products, it shouldn't be a problem at all. In fact, this is another source for performance enhancements!
The next question you have to ask is – what bond benchmark are you trying to track and how much tracking error can you tolerate? Let's say you're trying to track the Bloomoberg Barclays 7-10 yr Treasury Index, then buying IEF is the simplest thing to do – the ETF holds a basket of 7-10yr Treasuries to mimic the return of the index; Blackrock charges a management fee for doing that, but at least you won't need to go out and buy every 7-10yr bond at the right proportion yourself. By contrast, using the TY futures (10-year Treasury note contract) will get you close from a duration perspective, but there will be some tracking errors. This is because the underlying of the TY contract is a basket of bonds with maturities ranging from 6.5 years to 10 years. Instead of tracking all of these bonds, the TY contract tracks the cheapest to deliver in this basket, and this cheapest-to-deliver issue can change around. So not only are you not tracking the 7-10yr sector perfectly (which may or may not be an issue), you're exposing yourself to a ton of intricacies specific to bond futures. You'll also need to roll your futures contracts every three months. If you forget to roll them, you may find yourself in a position to take delivery of a large amount of cash bonds that you might not actually want.
On the other hand, if your benchmark is the full Bloomberg Barclays US Treasury Index, using ETF is no longer a great idea. You need several ETFs (SHY, IEF, TLT, maybe others) and weigh them according to benchmark weights, but SHY is super illiquid. By contrast, you can easily use a basket of futures (TU, FV, TY, US & WN) to strategically mirror the index's duration and maturity buckets; there are no liquidity issues with any of these contracts and the execution costs are minimal. As far as I'm aware, this is the most popular ways to get exposure to the Treasury index, and the tracking error is admirable.
If you're not trying to track any benchmark at all and you just need some duration risk, then it almost doesn't matter. You'd evaluate how much duration risk you need and choose the cheapest implementation for the position size you have in mind.
Finally, some broad comments on the relative performance, based on replicating the US Treasury Index using either (fully collateralized) bond futures or ETFs. Before the financial crisis, the futures portfolio had a fairly consistent edge. This is because the switch option in futures was routined overpriced, making futures contracts too cheap relative to fair values. So you got a boost from "selling" that expensive option to shorts. Nowadays the switch option is worthless, so this tidy outperformance has disappeared. How things will unfold in the next decade is anyone's guess, and probably not a bet to be taken by a long-term strategic investor.
answered Jan 24 at 5:02
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The future will not maintain its duration as it approached maturity. The position will need to be rolled as it approaches maturity. The future will also be very sensitive to one or a series of deliverable bonds to settle the future at maturity. The cheapest to deliver bond will be the driver of the sensitivity to the set of deliverable bonds. As the future is a leveraged (unfunded instrument), it will be sensitive to short term rates embedded in the cost of the future (as well as the investment vehicle for the cash invested if the overall strategy will be unlevered). As a single holding that matures, the position will impose more operational demands on the investor, including maintenance of margin and the cash investment.
The ETF holds an actual portfolio of bonds and can maintain a target duration by managing the components of the portfolio. The basic ETF will be unlevered. However, this may not be as pure a play on a specific tenor or interest rates as the future in that as a portfolio, it will hold some combination of shorter and longer term bonds to meet it's duration target. As such, it will be sensitive to more the yield curve movements. Also, convexity may enter into the sensitivity depending on the bonds that are in the portfolio. As there is a manager of the portfolio, this investment should put less operational demands on the investor on a day to day basis. There will of course be a management fee in the ETF.
There is no one product that is better than the other and depends on the objectives, views, and operational capabilities of the investor.
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
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– Camilo Avella
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@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
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– AlRacoon
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
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The first two answers point out some interesting things but I think they are not making the most important point clearly:
The bond ETF is the equivalent of holding the entire basket of bonds bought with your cash. You pay a management fee to the ETF sponsor for that privilege. The fees are small, usually around 15bp, but you need to be aware of them
The future has you paying for "the market" to repo the bond(s) that underlie the contract. Take for example the SHY ETF. This ETF contains treasury bonds with 1-3 years of tenor. Here's page one of four showing you the bonds inside the ETF:
I could show you the other four pages but it's just much of the same. If you look at the actual yield of the ETF, this is what you see:
So bottom line you are earning 2.6% yield on this ETF assuming you bot it at 83.59. Now, let's look at the decomposition of the two-year March 19 future:
So you can see that this future maps to a few possible deliverable bonds and the previous posts explain how they introduce a little uncertainty as you wiggle through time and random moves. But the big thing to be aware of here is that the repo that is implied by this contract is 2.479. That means that you are paying the market 2.479 to finance the underlying bond(s) for you. On the other hand, you don't lay out much cash (just initial margin)
To sumarize: In the buy ETF scenario you give up your cash and in turn get the bonds and earn their carry (less a management fee). In the buy future scenario you are not using much cash, but then you are giving up almost all of the return from the bond(s) in exchange for someone to finance them for you.
One other thing, as you are looking longer term, you will have to roll the futures contract, which is annoying and can make you lose a few bp here and there in transaction costs.
answered Jan 24 at 4:00
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I don't have a formal answer, more of a hypothesis:
If the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is < than the 3 month treasury bill. You are better off with the future. Specially adding the tax burden on ordinary income from holding the Bond ETF vs the hybrid rate of futures.
Right now the 3m rate is 2.45% and the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is 2.35%
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
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This is a surprisingly complicated question that encompasses many moving parts. Without knowing exactly what your objectives are, it's a bit difficult to offer concrete advice, so I'll provide some general comments below.
Mechanically, you earn the total return when you buy and hold a real bond or a bond ETF. By contrast, bond futures are financed instruments, so you earn the excess return (total return MINUS financing cost). So all else equal, futures will ALWAYS perform worse than a bond, because of the drag from the financing cost (unless the financing rate is negative, which is happening in some parts of the world). This may sound bad for futures, but it's actually really easy to address. When you buy futures, you save a lot of cash since the margin requirement is minimal; if you invest that cash and earn a return on it, and attribute the return back to the futures, you're basically back to earning the full total return again. This is known as "fully collateralizing" your futures. The question is, will the return you earn on cash be enough to offset futures' implied financing costs? If you're an institutional investor that's active in the repo market or can access enhanced cash products, it shouldn't be a problem at all. In fact, this is another source for performance enhancements!
The next question you have to ask is – what bond benchmark are you trying to track and how much tracking error can you tolerate? Let's say you're trying to track the Bloomoberg Barclays 7-10 yr Treasury Index, then buying IEF is the simplest thing to do – the ETF holds a basket of 7-10yr Treasuries to mimic the return of the index; Blackrock charges a management fee for doing that, but at least you won't need to go out and buy every 7-10yr bond at the right proportion yourself. By contrast, using the TY futures (10-year Treasury note contract) will get you close from a duration perspective, but there will be some tracking errors. This is because the underlying of the TY contract is a basket of bonds with maturities ranging from 6.5 years to 10 years. Instead of tracking all of these bonds, the TY contract tracks the cheapest to deliver in this basket, and this cheapest-to-deliver issue can change around. So not only are you not tracking the 7-10yr sector perfectly (which may or may not be an issue), you're exposing yourself to a ton of intricacies specific to bond futures. You'll also need to roll your futures contracts every three months. If you forget to roll them, you may find yourself in a position to take delivery of a large amount of cash bonds that you might not actually want.
On the other hand, if your benchmark is the full Bloomberg Barclays US Treasury Index, using ETF is no longer a great idea. You need several ETFs (SHY, IEF, TLT, maybe others) and weigh them according to benchmark weights, but SHY is super illiquid. By contrast, you can easily use a basket of futures (TU, FV, TY, US & WN) to strategically mirror the index's duration and maturity buckets; there are no liquidity issues with any of these contracts and the execution costs are minimal. As far as I'm aware, this is the most popular ways to get exposure to the Treasury index, and the tracking error is admirable.
If you're not trying to track any benchmark at all and you just need some duration risk, then it almost doesn't matter. You'd evaluate how much duration risk you need and choose the cheapest implementation for the position size you have in mind.
Finally, some broad comments on the relative performance, based on replicating the US Treasury Index using either (fully collateralized) bond futures or ETFs. Before the financial crisis, the futures portfolio had a fairly consistent edge. This is because the switch option in futures was routined overpriced, making futures contracts too cheap relative to fair values. So you got a boost from "selling" that expensive option to shorts. Nowadays the switch option is worthless, so this tidy outperformance has disappeared. How things will unfold in the next decade is anyone's guess, and probably not a bet to be taken by a long-term strategic investor.
answered Jan 24 at 5:02
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This is a surprisingly complicated question that encompasses many moving parts. Without knowing exactly what your objectives are, it's a bit difficult to offer concrete advice, so I'll provide some general comments below.
Mechanically, you earn the total return when you buy and hold a real bond or a bond ETF. By contrast, bond futures are financed instruments, so you earn the excess return (total return MINUS financing cost). So all else equal, futures will ALWAYS perform worse than a bond, because of the drag from the financing cost (unless the financing rate is negative, which is happening in some parts of the world). This may sound bad for futures, but it's actually really easy to address. When you buy futures, you save a lot of cash since the margin requirement is minimal; if you invest that cash and earn a return on it, and attribute the return back to the futures, you're basically back to earning the full total return again. This is known as "fully collateralizing" your futures. The question is, will the return you earn on cash be enough to offset futures' implied financing costs? If you're an institutional investor that's active in the repo market or can access enhanced cash products, it shouldn't be a problem at all. In fact, this is another source for performance enhancements!
The next question you have to ask is – what bond benchmark are you trying to track and how much tracking error can you tolerate? Let's say you're trying to track the Bloomoberg Barclays 7-10 yr Treasury Index, then buying IEF is the simplest thing to do – the ETF holds a basket of 7-10yr Treasuries to mimic the return of the index; Blackrock charges a management fee for doing that, but at least you won't need to go out and buy every 7-10yr bond at the right proportion yourself. By contrast, using the TY futures (10-year Treasury note contract) will get you close from a duration perspective, but there will be some tracking errors. This is because the underlying of the TY contract is a basket of bonds with maturities ranging from 6.5 years to 10 years. Instead of tracking all of these bonds, the TY contract tracks the cheapest to deliver in this basket, and this cheapest-to-deliver issue can change around. So not only are you not tracking the 7-10yr sector perfectly (which may or may not be an issue), you're exposing yourself to a ton of intricacies specific to bond futures. You'll also need to roll your futures contracts every three months. If you forget to roll them, you may find yourself in a position to take delivery of a large amount of cash bonds that you might not actually want.
On the other hand, if your benchmark is the full Bloomberg Barclays US Treasury Index, using ETF is no longer a great idea. You need several ETFs (SHY, IEF, TLT, maybe others) and weigh them according to benchmark weights, but SHY is super illiquid. By contrast, you can easily use a basket of futures (TU, FV, TY, US & WN) to strategically mirror the index's duration and maturity buckets; there are no liquidity issues with any of these contracts and the execution costs are minimal. As far as I'm aware, this is the most popular ways to get exposure to the Treasury index, and the tracking error is admirable.
If you're not trying to track any benchmark at all and you just need some duration risk, then it almost doesn't matter. You'd evaluate how much duration risk you need and choose the cheapest implementation for the position size you have in mind.
Finally, some broad comments on the relative performance, based on replicating the US Treasury Index using either (fully collateralized) bond futures or ETFs. Before the financial crisis, the futures portfolio had a fairly consistent edge. This is because the switch option in futures was routined overpriced, making futures contracts too cheap relative to fair values. So you got a boost from "selling" that expensive option to shorts. Nowadays the switch option is worthless, so this tidy outperformance has disappeared. How things will unfold in the next decade is anyone's guess, and probably not a bet to be taken by a long-term strategic investor.
answered Jan 24 at 5:02
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This is a surprisingly complicated question that encompasses many moving parts. Without knowing exactly what your objectives are, it's a bit difficult to offer concrete advice, so I'll provide some general comments below.
Mechanically, you earn the total return when you buy and hold a real bond or a bond ETF. By contrast, bond futures are financed instruments, so you earn the excess return (total return MINUS financing cost). So all else equal, futures will ALWAYS perform worse than a bond, because of the drag from the financing cost (unless the financing rate is negative, which is happening in some parts of the world). This may sound bad for futures, but it's actually really easy to address. When you buy futures, you save a lot of cash since the margin requirement is minimal; if you invest that cash and earn a return on it, and attribute the return back to the futures, you're basically back to earning the full total return again. This is known as "fully collateralizing" your futures. The question is, will the return you earn on cash be enough to offset futures' implied financing costs? If you're an institutional investor that's active in the repo market or can access enhanced cash products, it shouldn't be a problem at all. In fact, this is another source for performance enhancements!
The next question you have to ask is – what bond benchmark are you trying to track and how much tracking error can you tolerate? Let's say you're trying to track the Bloomoberg Barclays 7-10 yr Treasury Index, then buying IEF is the simplest thing to do – the ETF holds a basket of 7-10yr Treasuries to mimic the return of the index; Blackrock charges a management fee for doing that, but at least you won't need to go out and buy every 7-10yr bond at the right proportion yourself. By contrast, using the TY futures (10-year Treasury note contract) will get you close from a duration perspective, but there will be some tracking errors. This is because the underlying of the TY contract is a basket of bonds with maturities ranging from 6.5 years to 10 years. Instead of tracking all of these bonds, the TY contract tracks the cheapest to deliver in this basket, and this cheapest-to-deliver issue can change around. So not only are you not tracking the 7-10yr sector perfectly (which may or may not be an issue), you're exposing yourself to a ton of intricacies specific to bond futures. You'll also need to roll your futures contracts every three months. If you forget to roll them, you may find yourself in a position to take delivery of a large amount of cash bonds that you might not actually want.
On the other hand, if your benchmark is the full Bloomberg Barclays US Treasury Index, using ETF is no longer a great idea. You need several ETFs (SHY, IEF, TLT, maybe others) and weigh them according to benchmark weights, but SHY is super illiquid. By contrast, you can easily use a basket of futures (TU, FV, TY, US & WN) to strategically mirror the index's duration and maturity buckets; there are no liquidity issues with any of these contracts and the execution costs are minimal. As far as I'm aware, this is the most popular ways to get exposure to the Treasury index, and the tracking error is admirable.
If you're not trying to track any benchmark at all and you just need some duration risk, then it almost doesn't matter. You'd evaluate how much duration risk you need and choose the cheapest implementation for the position size you have in mind.
Finally, some broad comments on the relative performance, based on replicating the US Treasury Index using either (fully collateralized) bond futures or ETFs. Before the financial crisis, the futures portfolio had a fairly consistent edge. This is because the switch option in futures was routined overpriced, making futures contracts too cheap relative to fair values. So you got a boost from "selling" that expensive option to shorts. Nowadays the switch option is worthless, so this tidy outperformance has disappeared. How things will unfold in the next decade is anyone's guess, and probably not a bet to be taken by a long-term strategic investor.
answered Jan 24 at 5:02
HelinHelin
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This is a surprisingly complicated question that encompasses many moving parts. Without knowing exactly what your objectives are, it's a bit difficult to offer concrete advice, so I'll provide some general comments below.
Mechanically, you earn the total return when you buy and hold a real bond or a bond ETF. By contrast, bond futures are financed instruments, so you earn the excess return (total return MINUS financing cost). So all else equal, futures will ALWAYS perform worse than a bond, because of the drag from the financing cost (unless the financing rate is negative, which is happening in some parts of the world). This may sound bad for futures, but it's actually really easy to address. When you buy futures, you save a lot of cash since the margin requirement is minimal; if you invest that cash and earn a return on it, and attribute the return back to the futures, you're basically back to earning the full total return again. This is known as "fully collateralizing" your futures. The question is, will the return you earn on cash be enough to offset futures' implied financing costs? If you're an institutional investor that's active in the repo market or can access enhanced cash products, it shouldn't be a problem at all. In fact, this is another source for performance enhancements!
The next question you have to ask is – what bond benchmark are you trying to track and how much tracking error can you tolerate? Let's say you're trying to track the Bloomoberg Barclays 7-10 yr Treasury Index, then buying IEF is the simplest thing to do – the ETF holds a basket of 7-10yr Treasuries to mimic the return of the index; Blackrock charges a management fee for doing that, but at least you won't need to go out and buy every 7-10yr bond at the right proportion yourself. By contrast, using the TY futures (10-year Treasury note contract) will get you close from a duration perspective, but there will be some tracking errors. This is because the underlying of the TY contract is a basket of bonds with maturities ranging from 6.5 years to 10 years. Instead of tracking all of these bonds, the TY contract tracks the cheapest to deliver in this basket, and this cheapest-to-deliver issue can change around. So not only are you not tracking the 7-10yr sector perfectly (which may or may not be an issue), you're exposing yourself to a ton of intricacies specific to bond futures. You'll also need to roll your futures contracts every three months. If you forget to roll them, you may find yourself in a position to take delivery of a large amount of cash bonds that you might not actually want.
On the other hand, if your benchmark is the full Bloomberg Barclays US Treasury Index, using ETF is no longer a great idea. You need several ETFs (SHY, IEF, TLT, maybe others) and weigh them according to benchmark weights, but SHY is super illiquid. By contrast, you can easily use a basket of futures (TU, FV, TY, US & WN) to strategically mirror the index's duration and maturity buckets; there are no liquidity issues with any of these contracts and the execution costs are minimal. As far as I'm aware, this is the most popular ways to get exposure to the Treasury index, and the tracking error is admirable.
If you're not trying to track any benchmark at all and you just need some duration risk, then it almost doesn't matter. You'd evaluate how much duration risk you need and choose the cheapest implementation for the position size you have in mind.
Finally, some broad comments on the relative performance, based on replicating the US Treasury Index using either (fully collateralized) bond futures or ETFs. Before the financial crisis, the futures portfolio had a fairly consistent edge. This is because the switch option in futures was routined overpriced, making futures contracts too cheap relative to fair values. So you got a boost from "selling" that expensive option to shorts. Nowadays the switch option is worthless, so this tidy outperformance has disappeared. How things will unfold in the next decade is anyone's guess, and probably not a bet to be taken by a long-term strategic investor.
answered Jan 24 at 5:02
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The future will not maintain its duration as it approached maturity. The position will need to be rolled as it approaches maturity. The future will also be very sensitive to one or a series of deliverable bonds to settle the future at maturity. The cheapest to deliver bond will be the driver of the sensitivity to the set of deliverable bonds. As the future is a leveraged (unfunded instrument), it will be sensitive to short term rates embedded in the cost of the future (as well as the investment vehicle for the cash invested if the overall strategy will be unlevered). As a single holding that matures, the position will impose more operational demands on the investor, including maintenance of margin and the cash investment.
The ETF holds an actual portfolio of bonds and can maintain a target duration by managing the components of the portfolio. The basic ETF will be unlevered. However, this may not be as pure a play on a specific tenor or interest rates as the future in that as a portfolio, it will hold some combination of shorter and longer term bonds to meet it's duration target. As such, it will be sensitive to more the yield curve movements. Also, convexity may enter into the sensitivity depending on the bonds that are in the portfolio. As there is a manager of the portfolio, this investment should put less operational demands on the investor on a day to day basis. There will of course be a management fee in the ETF.
There is no one product that is better than the other and depends on the objectives, views, and operational capabilities of the investor.
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 18:37
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@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
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– AlRacoon
Jan 23 at 18:45
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 19:04
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The future will not maintain its duration as it approached maturity. The position will need to be rolled as it approaches maturity. The future will also be very sensitive to one or a series of deliverable bonds to settle the future at maturity. The cheapest to deliver bond will be the driver of the sensitivity to the set of deliverable bonds. As the future is a leveraged (unfunded instrument), it will be sensitive to short term rates embedded in the cost of the future (as well as the investment vehicle for the cash invested if the overall strategy will be unlevered). As a single holding that matures, the position will impose more operational demands on the investor, including maintenance of margin and the cash investment.
The ETF holds an actual portfolio of bonds and can maintain a target duration by managing the components of the portfolio. The basic ETF will be unlevered. However, this may not be as pure a play on a specific tenor or interest rates as the future in that as a portfolio, it will hold some combination of shorter and longer term bonds to meet it's duration target. As such, it will be sensitive to more the yield curve movements. Also, convexity may enter into the sensitivity depending on the bonds that are in the portfolio. As there is a manager of the portfolio, this investment should put less operational demands on the investor on a day to day basis. There will of course be a management fee in the ETF.
There is no one product that is better than the other and depends on the objectives, views, and operational capabilities of the investor.
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
AlRacoonAlRacoon
1,63628
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 18:37
1
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@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
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– AlRacoon
Jan 23 at 18:45
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 19:04
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The future will not maintain its duration as it approached maturity. The position will need to be rolled as it approaches maturity. The future will also be very sensitive to one or a series of deliverable bonds to settle the future at maturity. The cheapest to deliver bond will be the driver of the sensitivity to the set of deliverable bonds. As the future is a leveraged (unfunded instrument), it will be sensitive to short term rates embedded in the cost of the future (as well as the investment vehicle for the cash invested if the overall strategy will be unlevered). As a single holding that matures, the position will impose more operational demands on the investor, including maintenance of margin and the cash investment.
The ETF holds an actual portfolio of bonds and can maintain a target duration by managing the components of the portfolio. The basic ETF will be unlevered. However, this may not be as pure a play on a specific tenor or interest rates as the future in that as a portfolio, it will hold some combination of shorter and longer term bonds to meet it's duration target. As such, it will be sensitive to more the yield curve movements. Also, convexity may enter into the sensitivity depending on the bonds that are in the portfolio. As there is a manager of the portfolio, this investment should put less operational demands on the investor on a day to day basis. There will of course be a management fee in the ETF.
There is no one product that is better than the other and depends on the objectives, views, and operational capabilities of the investor.
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
AlRacoonAlRacoon
1,63628
$endgroup$
The future will not maintain its duration as it approached maturity. The position will need to be rolled as it approaches maturity. The future will also be very sensitive to one or a series of deliverable bonds to settle the future at maturity. The cheapest to deliver bond will be the driver of the sensitivity to the set of deliverable bonds. As the future is a leveraged (unfunded instrument), it will be sensitive to short term rates embedded in the cost of the future (as well as the investment vehicle for the cash invested if the overall strategy will be unlevered). As a single holding that matures, the position will impose more operational demands on the investor, including maintenance of margin and the cash investment.
The ETF holds an actual portfolio of bonds and can maintain a target duration by managing the components of the portfolio. The basic ETF will be unlevered. However, this may not be as pure a play on a specific tenor or interest rates as the future in that as a portfolio, it will hold some combination of shorter and longer term bonds to meet it's duration target. As such, it will be sensitive to more the yield curve movements. Also, convexity may enter into the sensitivity depending on the bonds that are in the portfolio. As there is a manager of the portfolio, this investment should put less operational demands on the investor on a day to day basis. There will of course be a management fee in the ETF.
There is no one product that is better than the other and depends on the objectives, views, and operational capabilities of the investor.
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
AlRacoonAlRacoon
1,63628
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
AlRacoonAlRacoon
1,63628
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
AlRacoonAlRacoon
1,63628
answered Jan 23 at 17:45
AlRacoonAlRacoon
1,63628
1,63628
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
$endgroup$
– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 18:37
1
$begingroup$
@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
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– AlRacoon
Jan 23 at 18:45
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 19:04
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
$endgroup$
– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 18:37
1
$begingroup$
@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
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– AlRacoon
Jan 23 at 18:45
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 19:04
1
1
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
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– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 18:37
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Can you clarify your main point assuming the investor is indifferent about having to roll the futures ? Seems like if you add this assumption you don’t have any other qualification between the two options. Thanks
$endgroup$
– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 18:37
1
1
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@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
$endgroup$
– AlRacoon
Jan 23 at 18:45
$begingroup$
@CamiloAvella The future is a derivative instrument that has a fixed pool of bonds that qualify to be delivered to settle the future at maturity. Usually the cheapest bond to deliver will be how the future trades (However there is some optionality in that cheapest to deliver can change). As a single bond, the future is most sensitive to drivers of return for this bond. One of the factors is the duration will shorten as the future approaches maturity. As the futures are rolled, the bond will also change as the new future will have different deliverable bonds. The ETF is a portfolio of bonds.
$endgroup$
– AlRacoon
Jan 23 at 18:45
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
$endgroup$
– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 19:04
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@AIRacoon Thanks. Do you have any comments on the differential rate of financing mentioned in the other answer?
$endgroup$
– Camilo Avella
Jan 23 at 19:04
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The first two answers point out some interesting things but I think they are not making the most important point clearly:
The bond ETF is the equivalent of holding the entire basket of bonds bought with your cash. You pay a management fee to the ETF sponsor for that privilege. The fees are small, usually around 15bp, but you need to be aware of them
The future has you paying for "the market" to repo the bond(s) that underlie the contract. Take for example the SHY ETF. This ETF contains treasury bonds with 1-3 years of tenor. Here's page one of four showing you the bonds inside the ETF:
I could show you the other four pages but it's just much of the same. If you look at the actual yield of the ETF, this is what you see:
So bottom line you are earning 2.6% yield on this ETF assuming you bot it at 83.59. Now, let's look at the decomposition of the two-year March 19 future:
So you can see that this future maps to a few possible deliverable bonds and the previous posts explain how they introduce a little uncertainty as you wiggle through time and random moves. But the big thing to be aware of here is that the repo that is implied by this contract is 2.479. That means that you are paying the market 2.479 to finance the underlying bond(s) for you. On the other hand, you don't lay out much cash (just initial margin)
To sumarize: In the buy ETF scenario you give up your cash and in turn get the bonds and earn their carry (less a management fee). In the buy future scenario you are not using much cash, but then you are giving up almost all of the return from the bond(s) in exchange for someone to finance them for you.
One other thing, as you are looking longer term, you will have to roll the futures contract, which is annoying and can make you lose a few bp here and there in transaction costs.
answered Jan 24 at 4:00
JoshKJoshK
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The first two answers point out some interesting things but I think they are not making the most important point clearly:
The bond ETF is the equivalent of holding the entire basket of bonds bought with your cash. You pay a management fee to the ETF sponsor for that privilege. The fees are small, usually around 15bp, but you need to be aware of them
The future has you paying for "the market" to repo the bond(s) that underlie the contract. Take for example the SHY ETF. This ETF contains treasury bonds with 1-3 years of tenor. Here's page one of four showing you the bonds inside the ETF:
I could show you the other four pages but it's just much of the same. If you look at the actual yield of the ETF, this is what you see:
So bottom line you are earning 2.6% yield on this ETF assuming you bot it at 83.59. Now, let's look at the decomposition of the two-year March 19 future:
So you can see that this future maps to a few possible deliverable bonds and the previous posts explain how they introduce a little uncertainty as you wiggle through time and random moves. But the big thing to be aware of here is that the repo that is implied by this contract is 2.479. That means that you are paying the market 2.479 to finance the underlying bond(s) for you. On the other hand, you don't lay out much cash (just initial margin)
To sumarize: In the buy ETF scenario you give up your cash and in turn get the bonds and earn their carry (less a management fee). In the buy future scenario you are not using much cash, but then you are giving up almost all of the return from the bond(s) in exchange for someone to finance them for you.
One other thing, as you are looking longer term, you will have to roll the futures contract, which is annoying and can make you lose a few bp here and there in transaction costs.
answered Jan 24 at 4:00
JoshKJoshK
85628
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The first two answers point out some interesting things but I think they are not making the most important point clearly:
The bond ETF is the equivalent of holding the entire basket of bonds bought with your cash. You pay a management fee to the ETF sponsor for that privilege. The fees are small, usually around 15bp, but you need to be aware of them
The future has you paying for "the market" to repo the bond(s) that underlie the contract. Take for example the SHY ETF. This ETF contains treasury bonds with 1-3 years of tenor. Here's page one of four showing you the bonds inside the ETF:
I could show you the other four pages but it's just much of the same. If you look at the actual yield of the ETF, this is what you see:
So bottom line you are earning 2.6% yield on this ETF assuming you bot it at 83.59. Now, let's look at the decomposition of the two-year March 19 future:
So you can see that this future maps to a few possible deliverable bonds and the previous posts explain how they introduce a little uncertainty as you wiggle through time and random moves. But the big thing to be aware of here is that the repo that is implied by this contract is 2.479. That means that you are paying the market 2.479 to finance the underlying bond(s) for you. On the other hand, you don't lay out much cash (just initial margin)
To sumarize: In the buy ETF scenario you give up your cash and in turn get the bonds and earn their carry (less a management fee). In the buy future scenario you are not using much cash, but then you are giving up almost all of the return from the bond(s) in exchange for someone to finance them for you.
One other thing, as you are looking longer term, you will have to roll the futures contract, which is annoying and can make you lose a few bp here and there in transaction costs.
answered Jan 24 at 4:00
JoshKJoshK
85628
$endgroup$
The first two answers point out some interesting things but I think they are not making the most important point clearly:
The bond ETF is the equivalent of holding the entire basket of bonds bought with your cash. You pay a management fee to the ETF sponsor for that privilege. The fees are small, usually around 15bp, but you need to be aware of them
The future has you paying for "the market" to repo the bond(s) that underlie the contract. Take for example the SHY ETF. This ETF contains treasury bonds with 1-3 years of tenor. Here's page one of four showing you the bonds inside the ETF:
I could show you the other four pages but it's just much of the same. If you look at the actual yield of the ETF, this is what you see:
So bottom line you are earning 2.6% yield on this ETF assuming you bot it at 83.59. Now, let's look at the decomposition of the two-year March 19 future:
So you can see that this future maps to a few possible deliverable bonds and the previous posts explain how they introduce a little uncertainty as you wiggle through time and random moves. But the big thing to be aware of here is that the repo that is implied by this contract is 2.479. That means that you are paying the market 2.479 to finance the underlying bond(s) for you. On the other hand, you don't lay out much cash (just initial margin)
To sumarize: In the buy ETF scenario you give up your cash and in turn get the bonds and earn their carry (less a management fee). In the buy future scenario you are not using much cash, but then you are giving up almost all of the return from the bond(s) in exchange for someone to finance them for you.
One other thing, as you are looking longer term, you will have to roll the futures contract, which is annoying and can make you lose a few bp here and there in transaction costs.
answered Jan 24 at 4:00
JoshKJoshK
85628
answered Jan 24 at 4:00
JoshKJoshK
85628
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JoshKJoshK
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I don't have a formal answer, more of a hypothesis:
If the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is < than the 3 month treasury bill. You are better off with the future. Specially adding the tax burden on ordinary income from holding the Bond ETF vs the hybrid rate of futures.
Right now the 3m rate is 2.45% and the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is 2.35%
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
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I don't have a formal answer, more of a hypothesis:
If the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is < than the 3 month treasury bill. You are better off with the future. Specially adding the tax burden on ordinary income from holding the Bond ETF vs the hybrid rate of futures.
Right now the 3m rate is 2.45% and the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is 2.35%
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
hernanavellahernanavella
22316
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I don't have a formal answer, more of a hypothesis:
If the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is < than the 3 month treasury bill. You are better off with the future. Specially adding the tax burden on ordinary income from holding the Bond ETF vs the hybrid rate of futures.
Right now the 3m rate is 2.45% and the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is 2.35%
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
hernanavellahernanavella
22316
$endgroup$
I don't have a formal answer, more of a hypothesis:
If the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is < than the 3 month treasury bill. You are better off with the future. Specially adding the tax burden on ordinary income from holding the Bond ETF vs the hybrid rate of futures.
Right now the 3m rate is 2.45% and the implied repo rate for the cheapest to deliver is 2.35%
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
hernanavellahernanavella
22316
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
hernanavellahernanavella
22316
answered Jan 23 at 18:31
hernanavellahernanavella
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answered Jan 23 at 18:31
hernanavellahernanavella
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A bond ETF is a physical investment of cash to purchase the fund, assuming you have cash to invest. A long position in a future requires no cash outlay (other than margin). What will the (rest of the) cash be doing in the case of buying futures then?
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@Attack68 Potentially equities or some active strategies. But leveraging the bond position is also an alternative. C
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So with that answer you have entirely opened up the scope of your question. Your are now comparing an invested bond EFT portfolio with the performance of an Equity invested portfolio that happens to have leveraged exposure to bond markets via futures. This is an entirely different question without an unpredjudiced answer. @Helin s answer, in my opinion, is best and both reiterates my comments here and is justifiably vague, yet informative.
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