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Calculate the length of the astroid of $x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$. s = ?



I approached it by doing the following:




  1. setting $x^{frac23}=1$ because then I can find $x=sqrt{1}=1$

  2. Then I set $$s = 4int_0^1 sqrt{1 + left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$

  3. Then I did implicit differentiation to get


$$frac23 x^{-frac13} + frac23 y^{-frac13}left(frac{dy}{dx}right) = 0,\
frac{dy}{dx} = -left(frac{y}{x}right)^{frac13}.$$



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I am having trouble with this question:



Calculate the length of the astroid of $x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$. s = ?



I approached it by doing the following:




  1. setting $x^{frac23}=1$ because then I can find $x=sqrt{1}=1$

  2. Then I set $$s = 4int_0^1 sqrt{1 + left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$

  3. Then I did implicit differentiation to get


$$frac23 x^{-frac13} + frac23 y^{-frac13}left(frac{dy}{dx}right) = 0,\
frac{dy}{dx} = -left(frac{y}{x}right)^{frac13}.$$



I stopped there...
I appreciate the help. Thank you!










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I am having trouble with this question:



Calculate the length of the astroid of $x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$. s = ?



I approached it by doing the following:




  1. setting $x^{frac23}=1$ because then I can find $x=sqrt{1}=1$

  2. Then I set $$s = 4int_0^1 sqrt{1 + left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$

  3. Then I did implicit differentiation to get


$$frac23 x^{-frac13} + frac23 y^{-frac13}left(frac{dy}{dx}right) = 0,\
frac{dy}{dx} = -left(frac{y}{x}right)^{frac13}.$$



I stopped there...
I appreciate the help. Thank you!










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I am having trouble with this question:



Calculate the length of the astroid of $x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$. s = ?



I approached it by doing the following:




  1. setting $x^{frac23}=1$ because then I can find $x=sqrt{1}=1$

  2. Then I set $$s = 4int_0^1 sqrt{1 + left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$

  3. Then I did implicit differentiation to get


$$frac23 x^{-frac13} + frac23 y^{-frac13}left(frac{dy}{dx}right) = 0,\
frac{dy}{dx} = -left(frac{y}{x}right)^{frac13}.$$



I stopped there...
I appreciate the help. Thank you!







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$$ds^2=dx^2+dy^2$$
$$ds=sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}=sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$
$$s=int sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



You had the right approach, but the problem was with the implicit differentiation. Since you have $y$ in there, it becomes a problem when integrating.



Instead, isolate $y$ from the original and take the derivative of that:
$$x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$$
$$y^{frac23}=1-x^{frac23}$$
$$y=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac32$$



Now when you find $frac{dy}{dx}$, it will only be in terms of $x$. So take the derivative of that:
$$frac{dy}{dx}=frac32 left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-frac23x^{-frac13}right)$$



Get rid of the fractions:



$$frac{dy}{dx}=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)$$



Now plug it in:



$$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)^2}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right) left(x^{-frac23}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(x^{-frac23}-1right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{x^{-frac23}}dx=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx$$



So easy to integrate now!



$$s=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx=4left(frac32x^frac23Biggr|_0^1right)=4left(frac32right)=therefore 6$$






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    A potentially easier way to do this is to parametrize the astroid by taking advantage of the trig identity $cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta) = 1$.



    Take $x = cos^3(t)$ and $y = sin^3(t)$ where $0leq t leq 2pi$.



    By symmetry, we can simply find the arclength of $1/4$th the astroid and multiply by $4$ at the end. The bounds on our integration will be $0 leq t leq pi/2$.



    Now simply use the formula for arclength:



    $$int_0^{pi/2} sqrt{left( frac{dx}{dt}right)^2 + left( frac{dy}{dt} right)^2} dt$$






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    You can also continue using your formula for s.



    $$s=4int_0^1sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



    When you fill in $frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}$ in $s$, you get



    $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}right)^2}dx$$



    $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{frac{x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}}{x^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



    $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}sqrt{x^frac{2}{3}+{y^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



    But the original formula says that $x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}=1$, so



    $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}dx=4int_0^1 x^frac{-1}{3}dx=4left(frac{3}{2}right)=6$$






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    $$ds^2=dx^2+dy^2$$
    $$ds=sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}=sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$
    $$s=int sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



    You had the right approach, but the problem was with the implicit differentiation. Since you have $y$ in there, it becomes a problem when integrating.



    Instead, isolate $y$ from the original and take the derivative of that:
    $$x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$$
    $$y^{frac23}=1-x^{frac23}$$
    $$y=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac32$$



    Now when you find $frac{dy}{dx}$, it will only be in terms of $x$. So take the derivative of that:
    $$frac{dy}{dx}=frac32 left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-frac23x^{-frac13}right)$$



    Get rid of the fractions:



    $$frac{dy}{dx}=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)$$



    Now plug it in:



    $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)^2}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right) left(x^{-frac23}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(x^{-frac23}-1right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{x^{-frac23}}dx=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx$$



    So easy to integrate now!



    $$s=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx=4left(frac32x^frac23Biggr|_0^1right)=4left(frac32right)=therefore 6$$






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      $$ds^2=dx^2+dy^2$$
      $$ds=sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}=sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$
      $$s=int sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



      You had the right approach, but the problem was with the implicit differentiation. Since you have $y$ in there, it becomes a problem when integrating.



      Instead, isolate $y$ from the original and take the derivative of that:
      $$x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$$
      $$y^{frac23}=1-x^{frac23}$$
      $$y=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac32$$



      Now when you find $frac{dy}{dx}$, it will only be in terms of $x$. So take the derivative of that:
      $$frac{dy}{dx}=frac32 left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-frac23x^{-frac13}right)$$



      Get rid of the fractions:



      $$frac{dy}{dx}=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)$$



      Now plug it in:



      $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)^2}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right) left(x^{-frac23}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(x^{-frac23}-1right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{x^{-frac23}}dx=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx$$



      So easy to integrate now!



      $$s=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx=4left(frac32x^frac23Biggr|_0^1right)=4left(frac32right)=therefore 6$$






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        $$ds^2=dx^2+dy^2$$
        $$ds=sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}=sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$
        $$s=int sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



        You had the right approach, but the problem was with the implicit differentiation. Since you have $y$ in there, it becomes a problem when integrating.



        Instead, isolate $y$ from the original and take the derivative of that:
        $$x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$$
        $$y^{frac23}=1-x^{frac23}$$
        $$y=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac32$$



        Now when you find $frac{dy}{dx}$, it will only be in terms of $x$. So take the derivative of that:
        $$frac{dy}{dx}=frac32 left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-frac23x^{-frac13}right)$$



        Get rid of the fractions:



        $$frac{dy}{dx}=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)$$



        Now plug it in:



        $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)^2}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right) left(x^{-frac23}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(x^{-frac23}-1right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{x^{-frac23}}dx=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx$$



        So easy to integrate now!



        $$s=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx=4left(frac32x^frac23Biggr|_0^1right)=4left(frac32right)=therefore 6$$






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        $$ds^2=dx^2+dy^2$$
        $$ds=sqrt{dx^2+dy^2}=sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$
        $$s=int sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



        You had the right approach, but the problem was with the implicit differentiation. Since you have $y$ in there, it becomes a problem when integrating.



        Instead, isolate $y$ from the original and take the derivative of that:
        $$x^{frac23}+y^{frac23}=1$$
        $$y^{frac23}=1-x^{frac23}$$
        $$y=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac32$$



        Now when you find $frac{dy}{dx}$, it will only be in terms of $x$. So take the derivative of that:
        $$frac{dy}{dx}=frac32 left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-frac23x^{-frac13}right)$$



        Get rid of the fractions:



        $$frac{dy}{dx}=left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)$$



        Now plug it in:



        $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)^2}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)left(1-x^{frac23}right)^frac12 left(-x^{-frac13}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(left(1-x^{frac23}right) left(x^{-frac23}right)right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(x^{-frac23}-1right)}dx=4int_0^1 sqrt{x^{-frac23}}dx=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx$$



        So easy to integrate now!



        $$s=4int_0^1 x^{-frac13}dx=4left(frac32x^frac23Biggr|_0^1right)=4left(frac32right)=therefore 6$$







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            A potentially easier way to do this is to parametrize the astroid by taking advantage of the trig identity $cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta) = 1$.



            Take $x = cos^3(t)$ and $y = sin^3(t)$ where $0leq t leq 2pi$.



            By symmetry, we can simply find the arclength of $1/4$th the astroid and multiply by $4$ at the end. The bounds on our integration will be $0 leq t leq pi/2$.



            Now simply use the formula for arclength:



            $$int_0^{pi/2} sqrt{left( frac{dx}{dt}right)^2 + left( frac{dy}{dt} right)^2} dt$$






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            A potentially easier way to do this is to parametrize the astroid by taking advantage of the trig identity $cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta) = 1$.



            Take $x = cos^3(t)$ and $y = sin^3(t)$ where $0leq t leq 2pi$.



            By symmetry, we can simply find the arclength of $1/4$th the astroid and multiply by $4$ at the end. The bounds on our integration will be $0 leq t leq pi/2$.



            Now simply use the formula for arclength:



            $$int_0^{pi/2} sqrt{left( frac{dx}{dt}right)^2 + left( frac{dy}{dt} right)^2} dt$$






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            A potentially easier way to do this is to parametrize the astroid by taking advantage of the trig identity $cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta) = 1$.



            Take $x = cos^3(t)$ and $y = sin^3(t)$ where $0leq t leq 2pi$.



            By symmetry, we can simply find the arclength of $1/4$th the astroid and multiply by $4$ at the end. The bounds on our integration will be $0 leq t leq pi/2$.



            Now simply use the formula for arclength:



            $$int_0^{pi/2} sqrt{left( frac{dx}{dt}right)^2 + left( frac{dy}{dt} right)^2} dt$$






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            A potentially easier way to do this is to parametrize the astroid by taking advantage of the trig identity $cos^2(theta)+sin^2(theta) = 1$.



            Take $x = cos^3(t)$ and $y = sin^3(t)$ where $0leq t leq 2pi$.



            By symmetry, we can simply find the arclength of $1/4$th the astroid and multiply by $4$ at the end. The bounds on our integration will be $0 leq t leq pi/2$.



            Now simply use the formula for arclength:



            $$int_0^{pi/2} sqrt{left( frac{dx}{dt}right)^2 + left( frac{dy}{dt} right)^2} dt$$







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            You can also continue using your formula for s.



            $$s=4int_0^1sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



            When you fill in $frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}$ in $s$, you get



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}right)^2}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{frac{x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}}{x^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}sqrt{x^frac{2}{3}+{y^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            But the original formula says that $x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}=1$, so



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}dx=4int_0^1 x^frac{-1}{3}dx=4left(frac{3}{2}right)=6$$






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            You can also continue using your formula for s.



            $$s=4int_0^1sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



            When you fill in $frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}$ in $s$, you get



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}right)^2}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{frac{x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}}{x^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}sqrt{x^frac{2}{3}+{y^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            But the original formula says that $x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}=1$, so



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}dx=4int_0^1 x^frac{-1}{3}dx=4left(frac{3}{2}right)=6$$






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            You can also continue using your formula for s.



            $$s=4int_0^1sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



            When you fill in $frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}$ in $s$, you get



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}right)^2}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{frac{x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}}{x^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}sqrt{x^frac{2}{3}+{y^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            But the original formula says that $x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}=1$, so



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}dx=4int_0^1 x^frac{-1}{3}dx=4left(frac{3}{2}right)=6$$






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            You can also continue using your formula for s.



            $$s=4int_0^1sqrt{1+left(frac{dy}{dx}right)^2}dx$$



            When you fill in $frac{dy}{dx} = -frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}$ in $s$, you get



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{1+left(frac{y^frac{1}{3}}{x^frac{1}{3}}right)^2}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 sqrt{frac{x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}}{x^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}sqrt{x^frac{2}{3}+{y^frac{2}{3}}}dx$$



            But the original formula says that $x^frac{2}{3}+y^frac{2}{3}=1$, so



            $$s=4int_0^1 frac{1}{x^frac{1}{3}}dx=4int_0^1 x^frac{-1}{3}dx=4left(frac{3}{2}right)=6$$







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