3D spaces in $mathbb{R}^4$
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Let $V$ be a 3-dimensional subspace in $mathbb{R}^4$. Find such $V_1, V_2, V_3, V_4$ that $$V_1 cap V_2 cap V_3 cap V_4 = {0,0,0,0}$$.
I thought about such $V_i$ that
$V_1 = left{ begin{bmatrix}
1\
0\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
1\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
0\
1\
0\
end{bmatrix} right}
$
And $V_2$ is the same, but the bottom line changes to 1, in $V_3$ it changes to 2 and in $V_4$ to 3. Am I thinking right?
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Let $V$ be a 3-dimensional subspace in $mathbb{R}^4$. Find such $V_1, V_2, V_3, V_4$ that $$V_1 cap V_2 cap V_3 cap V_4 = {0,0,0,0}$$.
I thought about such $V_i$ that
$V_1 = left{ begin{bmatrix}
1\
0\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
1\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
0\
1\
0\
end{bmatrix} right}
$
And $V_2$ is the same, but the bottom line changes to 1, in $V_3$ it changes to 2 and in $V_4$ to 3. Am I thinking right?
linear-algebra
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Let $V$ be a 3-dimensional subspace in $mathbb{R}^4$. Find such $V_1, V_2, V_3, V_4$ that $$V_1 cap V_2 cap V_3 cap V_4 = {0,0,0,0}$$.
I thought about such $V_i$ that
$V_1 = left{ begin{bmatrix}
1\
0\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
1\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
0\
1\
0\
end{bmatrix} right}
$
And $V_2$ is the same, but the bottom line changes to 1, in $V_3$ it changes to 2 and in $V_4$ to 3. Am I thinking right?
linear-algebra
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Let $V$ be a 3-dimensional subspace in $mathbb{R}^4$. Find such $V_1, V_2, V_3, V_4$ that $$V_1 cap V_2 cap V_3 cap V_4 = {0,0,0,0}$$.
I thought about such $V_i$ that
$V_1 = left{ begin{bmatrix}
1\
0\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
1\
0\
0\
end{bmatrix},
begin{bmatrix}
0\
0\
1\
0\
end{bmatrix} right}
$
And $V_2$ is the same, but the bottom line changes to 1, in $V_3$ it changes to 2 and in $V_4$ to 3. Am I thinking right?
linear-algebra
linear-algebra
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You are correct assuming I'm interpreting what you've said in the right way. Essentially you're letting $e_i$ be the $i$-th standard unit basis vector, i.e.
$$e_1 = begin{pmatrix}1&0&0&0 end{pmatrix}, e_2 = begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0 end{pmatrix} ,..., e_4 = begin{pmatrix} 0&0&0&1end{pmatrix}$$
and then letting
$$V_1 = text{span} {e_1, e_2, e_3 }, V_2 = text{span}{e_2,e_3,e_4}, V_3 = text{span}{e_1,e_3,e_4}, V_4= {e_1,e_2,e_4} $$
As such, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1$, its fourth coordinate must be $0$. Further, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1 cap V_2$, both it's fourth and first coordinate must be zero. This goes on until we see that for $v_1$ to be in $cap_{i=1}^4 V_i$ that all coordinates of $v_1$ must be $0$.
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Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
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@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
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– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
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You're working with vector spaces?
If so, then the idea will work. Take a nice simple basis with four elements: ${e_1, e_2, e_3, e_4}$. Let $V_n$ be the subspace generated by this basis with $e_n$ removed.
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Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
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I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
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– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
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Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
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Feb 1 at 22:57
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You are correct assuming I'm interpreting what you've said in the right way. Essentially you're letting $e_i$ be the $i$-th standard unit basis vector, i.e.
$$e_1 = begin{pmatrix}1&0&0&0 end{pmatrix}, e_2 = begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0 end{pmatrix} ,..., e_4 = begin{pmatrix} 0&0&0&1end{pmatrix}$$
and then letting
$$V_1 = text{span} {e_1, e_2, e_3 }, V_2 = text{span}{e_2,e_3,e_4}, V_3 = text{span}{e_1,e_3,e_4}, V_4= {e_1,e_2,e_4} $$
As such, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1$, its fourth coordinate must be $0$. Further, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1 cap V_2$, both it's fourth and first coordinate must be zero. This goes on until we see that for $v_1$ to be in $cap_{i=1}^4 V_i$ that all coordinates of $v_1$ must be $0$.
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Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
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@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
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– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
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You are correct assuming I'm interpreting what you've said in the right way. Essentially you're letting $e_i$ be the $i$-th standard unit basis vector, i.e.
$$e_1 = begin{pmatrix}1&0&0&0 end{pmatrix}, e_2 = begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0 end{pmatrix} ,..., e_4 = begin{pmatrix} 0&0&0&1end{pmatrix}$$
and then letting
$$V_1 = text{span} {e_1, e_2, e_3 }, V_2 = text{span}{e_2,e_3,e_4}, V_3 = text{span}{e_1,e_3,e_4}, V_4= {e_1,e_2,e_4} $$
As such, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1$, its fourth coordinate must be $0$. Further, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1 cap V_2$, both it's fourth and first coordinate must be zero. This goes on until we see that for $v_1$ to be in $cap_{i=1}^4 V_i$ that all coordinates of $v_1$ must be $0$.
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Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
1
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@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
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– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
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You are correct assuming I'm interpreting what you've said in the right way. Essentially you're letting $e_i$ be the $i$-th standard unit basis vector, i.e.
$$e_1 = begin{pmatrix}1&0&0&0 end{pmatrix}, e_2 = begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0 end{pmatrix} ,..., e_4 = begin{pmatrix} 0&0&0&1end{pmatrix}$$
and then letting
$$V_1 = text{span} {e_1, e_2, e_3 }, V_2 = text{span}{e_2,e_3,e_4}, V_3 = text{span}{e_1,e_3,e_4}, V_4= {e_1,e_2,e_4} $$
As such, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1$, its fourth coordinate must be $0$. Further, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1 cap V_2$, both it's fourth and first coordinate must be zero. This goes on until we see that for $v_1$ to be in $cap_{i=1}^4 V_i$ that all coordinates of $v_1$ must be $0$.
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You are correct assuming I'm interpreting what you've said in the right way. Essentially you're letting $e_i$ be the $i$-th standard unit basis vector, i.e.
$$e_1 = begin{pmatrix}1&0&0&0 end{pmatrix}, e_2 = begin{pmatrix}0&1&0&0 end{pmatrix} ,..., e_4 = begin{pmatrix} 0&0&0&1end{pmatrix}$$
and then letting
$$V_1 = text{span} {e_1, e_2, e_3 }, V_2 = text{span}{e_2,e_3,e_4}, V_3 = text{span}{e_1,e_3,e_4}, V_4= {e_1,e_2,e_4} $$
As such, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1$, its fourth coordinate must be $0$. Further, for $v_1$ to be in $V_1 cap V_2$, both it's fourth and first coordinate must be zero. This goes on until we see that for $v_1$ to be in $cap_{i=1}^4 V_i$ that all coordinates of $v_1$ must be $0$.
answered Feb 1 at 22:35
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Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
1
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@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
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– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
add a comment |
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Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
1
$begingroup$
@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
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– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
$begingroup$
Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
$begingroup$
Thank you very much! Yes, what I've said doesn't seem very clear as I read it now. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:46
1
1
$begingroup$
@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
$endgroup$
– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
$begingroup$
@aaa That example you gave doesn't work: for example, $V_3 = { x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_4 = 2(x_1 + x_2 + x_3) }$, and then by combining similar descriptions for the others, $(1, 1, -2, 0)$ is in the intersection. Overall, the intersection would be ${ x in mathbb{R}^4 mid x_1 + x_2 + x_3 = x_4 = 0 }$.
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– Daniel Schepler
Feb 1 at 23:10
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You're working with vector spaces?
If so, then the idea will work. Take a nice simple basis with four elements: ${e_1, e_2, e_3, e_4}$. Let $V_n$ be the subspace generated by this basis with $e_n$ removed.
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Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
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I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
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– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
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Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You're working with vector spaces?
If so, then the idea will work. Take a nice simple basis with four elements: ${e_1, e_2, e_3, e_4}$. Let $V_n$ be the subspace generated by this basis with $e_n$ removed.
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
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I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
$endgroup$
– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
$begingroup$
Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
You're working with vector spaces?
If so, then the idea will work. Take a nice simple basis with four elements: ${e_1, e_2, e_3, e_4}$. Let $V_n$ be the subspace generated by this basis with $e_n$ removed.
$endgroup$
You're working with vector spaces?
If so, then the idea will work. Take a nice simple basis with four elements: ${e_1, e_2, e_3, e_4}$. Let $V_n$ be the subspace generated by this basis with $e_n$ removed.
answered Feb 1 at 22:38
badjohnbadjohn
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Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
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– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
$begingroup$
I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
$endgroup$
– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
$begingroup$
Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:57
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
$begingroup$
I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
$endgroup$
– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
$begingroup$
Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:57
$begingroup$
Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
$begingroup$
Hello. Yes, these are vector spaces. Actually I meant something like that: V1 = {(1,0,0,0), (0,1,0,0), (0,0,1,0)}, V2 = {(1,0,0,1), (0,1,0,1), (0,0,1,1)}, V3 = {(1,0,0,2), (0,1,0,2), (0,0,1,2)}, V4 = {(1,0,0,3), (0,1,0,3), (0,0,1,3)}. And thank you for your answer!
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:52
$begingroup$
I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
$endgroup$
– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
$begingroup$
I got your idea. I just thought that my slight variation was a little neater.
$endgroup$
– badjohn
Feb 1 at 22:56
$begingroup$
Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:57
$begingroup$
Yes, your is very elegant. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– aaa
Feb 1 at 22:57
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StackExchange.ready(function () {
StackExchange.helpers.onClickDraftSave('#login-link');
});
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