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Should I tell HR the real reason I'm asking for unpaid leave?
I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
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I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
human-resources leave-of-absence
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
20
What's your company policy for time off? You seem to be assuming there will be a subjective evaluation of your request, when it seems more likely there is an objective policy that would dictate your answer.
– dwizum
Jan 22 at 15:58
3
Does your company allow unpaid leave? I've worked places that did not.
– thursdaysgeek
Jan 22 at 18:30
3
As long as you give them plenty of notice and your request does not overlap any major events (project deadlines, deliveries, etc) that you have to support, nobody will care. Just say you are taking some time off and that's it.
– ventsyv
Jan 22 at 21:40
2
Just to clarify, are you not allocated any paid leave, or have used all your paid leave already?
– fjw
Jan 23 at 4:30
1
Strictly speaking, this comment is off topic, but here goes anyway: congratulations on being accepted for your retreat, that sounds absolutely wonderful! I this all works out for you.
– KlaymenDK
Jan 23 at 8:57
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I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
human-resources leave-of-absence
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
I applied to attend a 10 day silent meditation retreat at the end of March/beginning of April this year and my application was accepted. My plan is to take those days off as unpaid leave.
For context, I work at a research company with 2800+ employees worldwide, based in the US. The company is pretty good about promoting a healthy work-life balance and usually provides a good deal of flexibility.
Now, my question is: Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat? Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with another excuse?
human-resources leave-of-absence
human-resources leave-of-absence
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
asked Jan 21 at 19:35
WykoWWykoW
347125
347125
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What's your company policy for time off? You seem to be assuming there will be a subjective evaluation of your request, when it seems more likely there is an objective policy that would dictate your answer.
– dwizum
Jan 22 at 15:58
3
Does your company allow unpaid leave? I've worked places that did not.
– thursdaysgeek
Jan 22 at 18:30
3
As long as you give them plenty of notice and your request does not overlap any major events (project deadlines, deliveries, etc) that you have to support, nobody will care. Just say you are taking some time off and that's it.
– ventsyv
Jan 22 at 21:40
2
Just to clarify, are you not allocated any paid leave, or have used all your paid leave already?
– fjw
Jan 23 at 4:30
1
Strictly speaking, this comment is off topic, but here goes anyway: congratulations on being accepted for your retreat, that sounds absolutely wonderful! I this all works out for you.
– KlaymenDK
Jan 23 at 8:57
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show 1 more comment
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What's your company policy for time off? You seem to be assuming there will be a subjective evaluation of your request, when it seems more likely there is an objective policy that would dictate your answer.
– dwizum
Jan 22 at 15:58
3
Does your company allow unpaid leave? I've worked places that did not.
– thursdaysgeek
Jan 22 at 18:30
3
As long as you give them plenty of notice and your request does not overlap any major events (project deadlines, deliveries, etc) that you have to support, nobody will care. Just say you are taking some time off and that's it.
– ventsyv
Jan 22 at 21:40
2
Just to clarify, are you not allocated any paid leave, or have used all your paid leave already?
– fjw
Jan 23 at 4:30
1
Strictly speaking, this comment is off topic, but here goes anyway: congratulations on being accepted for your retreat, that sounds absolutely wonderful! I this all works out for you.
– KlaymenDK
Jan 23 at 8:57
20
20
What's your company policy for time off? You seem to be assuming there will be a subjective evaluation of your request, when it seems more likely there is an objective policy that would dictate your answer.
– dwizum
Jan 22 at 15:58
What's your company policy for time off? You seem to be assuming there will be a subjective evaluation of your request, when it seems more likely there is an objective policy that would dictate your answer.
– dwizum
Jan 22 at 15:58
3
3
Does your company allow unpaid leave? I've worked places that did not.
– thursdaysgeek
Jan 22 at 18:30
Does your company allow unpaid leave? I've worked places that did not.
– thursdaysgeek
Jan 22 at 18:30
3
3
As long as you give them plenty of notice and your request does not overlap any major events (project deadlines, deliveries, etc) that you have to support, nobody will care. Just say you are taking some time off and that's it.
– ventsyv
Jan 22 at 21:40
As long as you give them plenty of notice and your request does not overlap any major events (project deadlines, deliveries, etc) that you have to support, nobody will care. Just say you are taking some time off and that's it.
– ventsyv
Jan 22 at 21:40
2
2
Just to clarify, are you not allocated any paid leave, or have used all your paid leave already?
– fjw
Jan 23 at 4:30
Just to clarify, are you not allocated any paid leave, or have used all your paid leave already?
– fjw
Jan 23 at 4:30
1
1
Strictly speaking, this comment is off topic, but here goes anyway: congratulations on being accepted for your retreat, that sounds absolutely wonderful! I this all works out for you.
– KlaymenDK
Jan 23 at 8:57
Strictly speaking, this comment is off topic, but here goes anyway: congratulations on being accepted for your retreat, that sounds absolutely wonderful! I this all works out for you.
– KlaymenDK
Jan 23 at 8:57
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Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
250k1237271031
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We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
5
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
6
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
1
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
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One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
4
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
3
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
4
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
11
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
3
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
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Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
250k1237271031
34
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
5
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
6
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
1
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
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show 1 more comment
Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
250k1237271031
34
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
5
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
6
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
1
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
|
show 1 more comment
Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
250k1237271031
Should I tell HR that I'm going to a meditation retreat?
Self-exploration may not be seen as a "good enough" reason for taking
time off in corporate America. Would it be better to come up with
another excuse?
You are taking a vacation.
Assuming you are normally permitted to take unpaid time off when desired, there's absolutely no reason HR needs to know what you plan to do during that vacation. In a company of 2800+, they have far bigger issues to worry about.
There's no need to come up with any excuse. "Taking an unpaid vacation" is all anyone needs to know.
If taking unpaid leave would require an exception to normal processes, you can still indicate that these 10 days are vacation time (they are). You'll have to judge for yourself if more justification is needed in order to secure the exception. If more justification is required, then just be completely transparent and explain about the retreat.
In companies where I have worked, unpaid leave must be approved by a manager before it is granted. If that's the case in your company, next time get your manager's approval before applying to a retreat. And in that case, HR will seldom care at all as long as a manager has approved.
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
250k1237271031
edited Jan 21 at 20:04
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
250k1237271031
answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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answered Jan 21 at 19:48
Joe StrazzereJoe Strazzere
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250k1237271031
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We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
5
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
6
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
1
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
|
show 1 more comment
34
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
5
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
6
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
1
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
34
34
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
We just had a Tech Lead take a 2 month sabbatical. As long as your manager approved with all of the paperwork needed, you don't have to disclose why you're going on vacation and you don't need to disclose the leave is unpaid.
– jcmack
Jan 21 at 20:46
5
5
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
+1 for the last sentence. Unpaid leave does not cost company any money directly, and only manager knows if it would cost company indirectly, so pretty much everywhere I worked it was managers call.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:38
6
6
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
@Molot Well, paying your benefits (health insurance, etc.--assuming you have such things) does cost the company directly, and they generally can't cancel it for the two weeks you are unpaid. That's why normally taking unpaid leave (vs paid leave that's in your contract) is an exception that requires approval. It helps to go into any negotiation knowing what you're asking from the other side.
– user3067860
Jan 22 at 14:40
1
1
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
@user3067860 in Poland, unpaid leave does not count as employment time for ZUS (our social security agency) and employer does not have to pay for that. Employee can cover health insurance out of his own pocket if he wishes. So I guess it varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 14:43
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
Make sure your employer is not expecting you to receive/answer any phone calls, e-mail, etc. from them while you are out.
– SolutionMill
Jan 22 at 21:00
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One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
4
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
3
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
4
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
11
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
3
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
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One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
4
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
3
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
4
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
11
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
3
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
|
show 6 more comments
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
One more time with feeling....
HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
Consider HR on a need to know basis.
If they don't need to know, don't tell them.
Talking to HR is like talking to the police, "Everything you say can and will be used against you".
Now, if HR does demand a reason, YOU TELL THEM THE TRUTH! You do not lie to HR, not ever. Lying to HR will in the very least result in a note in your file, at most, termination with a "do not rehire" note in your file.
So, be ready to be turned down if they don't like the reason.
If you can be vague with something like "I need to deal with some personal business", do so, but do not give details unless required.
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
edited Jan 22 at 18:15
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
answered Jan 21 at 20:58
Richard URichard U
99.3k73268396
99.3k73268396
4
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
3
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
4
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
11
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
3
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
|
show 6 more comments
4
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
3
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
4
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
11
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
3
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
4
4
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
Absolutely agree with this answer, I would add: in the event they want to turn down your request you could then suggest you need this for your health and wellbeing (which is probably true anyway) and this is something that may be backed up by a doctor. I've never seen HR turn down a request backed up with a letter from a doctor.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 21:33
3
3
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
@code_dredd some industries can have times where they only want a certain number of staff away on leave so there is still enough staff to work. If the quota is full then you might need a good reason (ie a medical reason) to demand leave. HR normally wouldn't ask why you're leaving but they can refuse approval in which case you want to be prepared.
– solarflare
Jan 21 at 22:51
4
4
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
@paul23 that's really context sensitive. If something has happened and you need help, yes, the police can be your friend. If you're being questioned, there's no upside for you, and you need to get representation before saying anything other than requesting what legal representation you're legally entitled to in that jurisdiction.
– Morgen
Jan 22 at 1:41
11
11
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
I agree with do not lie to HR, but, "Now, if HR does demand a reason, you tell them the truth!" is not an only option. Another quite valid option is to say "It is a private matter so if I can't get leave without disclosing it, I will retract my leave request" or something like that.
– Mołot
Jan 22 at 12:40
3
3
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
I agree with this. I learned the hard way at two very different companies that HR is there to protect the company, not the employee. They will not tell you your rights, but they will tell you the policy. I would not tell them anything unless it is absolutely required. And, definitely, don't lie. But, you don't want to be passed over for another position in the company if a silent meditation retreat would be considered weird to some managers, because HR will put it in your file and leave it to be viewed.
– DataGirl
Jan 22 at 20:21
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What's your company policy for time off? You seem to be assuming there will be a subjective evaluation of your request, when it seems more likely there is an objective policy that would dictate your answer.
– dwizum
Jan 22 at 15:58
3
Does your company allow unpaid leave? I've worked places that did not.
– thursdaysgeek
Jan 22 at 18:30
3
As long as you give them plenty of notice and your request does not overlap any major events (project deadlines, deliveries, etc) that you have to support, nobody will care. Just say you are taking some time off and that's it.
– ventsyv
Jan 22 at 21:40
2
Just to clarify, are you not allocated any paid leave, or have used all your paid leave already?
– fjw
Jan 23 at 4:30
1
Strictly speaking, this comment is off topic, but here goes anyway: congratulations on being accepted for your retreat, that sounds absolutely wonderful! I this all works out for you.
– KlaymenDK
Jan 23 at 8:57