Is every decomposable basis for $bigwedge^kV$ “standard”?












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Let $V$ be a $d$-dimensional real vector space, and let $1<k<d$. Set



Let $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ be a basis for $bigwedge^kV$, whose elements are all decomposable. Is $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ necessarily "induced" by a standard basis up to scaling?



i.e. does there exist a basis $v_i$ for $V$, such that $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}=lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}v^{i_1} wedge ldots wedge v^{i_k}$ for some real scalars $lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}$?










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    This is a curiosity:



    Let $V$ be a $d$-dimensional real vector space, and let $1<k<d$. Set



    Let $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ be a basis for $bigwedge^kV$, whose elements are all decomposable. Is $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ necessarily "induced" by a standard basis up to scaling?



    i.e. does there exist a basis $v_i$ for $V$, such that $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}=lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}v^{i_1} wedge ldots wedge v^{i_k}$ for some real scalars $lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}$?










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      This is a curiosity:



      Let $V$ be a $d$-dimensional real vector space, and let $1<k<d$. Set



      Let $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ be a basis for $bigwedge^kV$, whose elements are all decomposable. Is $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ necessarily "induced" by a standard basis up to scaling?



      i.e. does there exist a basis $v_i$ for $V$, such that $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}=lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}v^{i_1} wedge ldots wedge v^{i_k}$ for some real scalars $lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}$?










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      This is a curiosity:



      Let $V$ be a $d$-dimensional real vector space, and let $1<k<d$. Set



      Let $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ be a basis for $bigwedge^kV$, whose elements are all decomposable. Is $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}$ necessarily "induced" by a standard basis up to scaling?



      i.e. does there exist a basis $v_i$ for $V$, such that $omega^{i_1,ldots,i_k}=lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}v^{i_1} wedge ldots wedge v^{i_k}$ for some real scalars $lambda_{i_1,ldots,i_k}$?







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          No. For instance, let $d=4$ and $k=2$. Note that every standard basis for $bigwedge^2 V$ (up to scaling) has the property that for any basis element $b$, there is exactly one basis element $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$. On the other hand, if ${w,x,y,z}$ is a basis for $V$, then consider the following decomposable basis:
          $$wwedge x, wwedge y, wwedge z,xwedge y, (x+y)wedge z,ywedge z.$$
          Here, the basis element $b=wwedge x$ has two different $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$, namely $c=ywedge z$ and $c=(x+y)wedge z$.






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          No. For instance, let $d=4$ and $k=2$. Note that every standard basis for $bigwedge^2 V$ (up to scaling) has the property that for any basis element $b$, there is exactly one basis element $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$. On the other hand, if ${w,x,y,z}$ is a basis for $V$, then consider the following decomposable basis:
          $$wwedge x, wwedge y, wwedge z,xwedge y, (x+y)wedge z,ywedge z.$$
          Here, the basis element $b=wwedge x$ has two different $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$, namely $c=ywedge z$ and $c=(x+y)wedge z$.






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          No. For instance, let $d=4$ and $k=2$. Note that every standard basis for $bigwedge^2 V$ (up to scaling) has the property that for any basis element $b$, there is exactly one basis element $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$. On the other hand, if ${w,x,y,z}$ is a basis for $V$, then consider the following decomposable basis:
          $$wwedge x, wwedge y, wwedge z,xwedge y, (x+y)wedge z,ywedge z.$$
          Here, the basis element $b=wwedge x$ has two different $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$, namely $c=ywedge z$ and $c=(x+y)wedge z$.






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            This is a perfect answer! extremely elegant. Thank you.
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          No. For instance, let $d=4$ and $k=2$. Note that every standard basis for $bigwedge^2 V$ (up to scaling) has the property that for any basis element $b$, there is exactly one basis element $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$. On the other hand, if ${w,x,y,z}$ is a basis for $V$, then consider the following decomposable basis:
          $$wwedge x, wwedge y, wwedge z,xwedge y, (x+y)wedge z,ywedge z.$$
          Here, the basis element $b=wwedge x$ has two different $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$, namely $c=ywedge z$ and $c=(x+y)wedge z$.






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          No. For instance, let $d=4$ and $k=2$. Note that every standard basis for $bigwedge^2 V$ (up to scaling) has the property that for any basis element $b$, there is exactly one basis element $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$. On the other hand, if ${w,x,y,z}$ is a basis for $V$, then consider the following decomposable basis:
          $$wwedge x, wwedge y, wwedge z,xwedge y, (x+y)wedge z,ywedge z.$$
          Here, the basis element $b=wwedge x$ has two different $c$ such that $bwedge cneq 0$, namely $c=ywedge z$ and $c=(x+y)wedge z$.







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